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LKY in ICU thread.

Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

He still alive lah.:o

Yesterday at CNY gathering gambling session, he chng geh three times got two times blackjack and one time or leng !:eek::o
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

"Some time back, I had an Advanced Medical Directive (AMD) done which says that if I have to be fed by a tube, and it is unlikely that I would ever be able to recover and walk about, my doctors are to remove the tube and allow me to make a quick exit,"
And what if the doctors don't remove the tube when the time comes?
Can LKY, or anyone on his behalf, sue the doctors?

Lee Kuan Yew on life after Cabinet... and death, AsiaOne Singapore News
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/lee-kuan-yew-life-after-cabinet-and-death?page=0,2
(The Sunday Times | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013)

Life is better than death. But death comes eventually to everyone. It is something which many in their prime may prefer not to think about. But at 89, I see no point in avoiding the question.

What concerns me is: How do I go? Will the end come swiftly, with a stroke in one of the coronary arteries? Or will it be a stroke in the mind that lays me out in bed for months, semicomatose?

Of the two, I prefer the quick one.

Some time back, I had an Advance Medical Directive (AMD) done which says that if I have to be fed by a tube, and it is unlikely that I would ever be able to recover and walk about, my doctors are to remove the tube and allow me to make a quick exit. I had it signed by a lawyer friend and a doctor...

If you do not sign one, they do everything possible to prevent the inevitable.

I have seen this in so many cases... Quite often, the doctors and relatives of the patient believe they should keep life going. I do not agree. There is an end to everything and I want mine to come as quickly and painlessly as possible, not with me incapacitated, half in coma in bed and with a tube going into my nostrils and down to my stomach.

In such cases, one is little more than a body.

I am not given to making sense out of life - or coming up with some grand narrative on it - other than to measure it by what you think you want to do in life. As for me, I have done what I had wanted to, to the best of my ability. I am satisfied...

Different societies have different philosophical explanations for life and the hereafter.

If you go to America, you will find fervent Christians, especially in the conservative Bible Belt covering much of the country's south.

In China, despite decades of Maoist and Marxist indoctrination, ancestral worship and other traditional Buddhist or Taoist-based religious practices are commonplace.

In India, belief in reincarnation is widespread.

I wouldn't call myself an atheist. I neither deny nor accept that there is a God. The universe, they say, came out of the Big Bang.

But human beings on this earth have developed over the last 20,000 years into thinking beings, and are able to see beyond themselves and think about themselves. Is that a result of Darwinian evolution? Or is it God? I do not know.

So I do not laugh at people who believe in God. But I do not necessarily believe in God - nor deny that there could be one."
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

He still alive lah.:o

Yesterday at CNY gathering gambling session, he chng geh three times got two times blackjack and one time or leng !:eek::o



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Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

And what if the doctors don't remove the tube when the time comes?
Can LKY, or anyone on his behalf, sue the doctors?

Lee Kuan Yew on life after Cabinet... and death, AsiaOne Singapore News
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/lee-kuan-yew-life-after-cabinet-and-death?page=0,2
(The Sunday Times | Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013)

Life is better than death. But death comes eventually to everyone. It is something which many in their prime may prefer not to think about. But at 89, I see no point in avoiding the question.

What concerns me is: How do I go? Will the end come swiftly, with a stroke in one of the coronary arteries? Or will it be a stroke in the mind that lays me out in bed for months, semicomatose?

Of the two, I prefer the quick one.

Some time back, I had an Advance Medical Directive (AMD) done which says that if I have to be fed by a tube, and it is unlikely that I would ever be able to recover and walk about, my doctors are to remove the tube and allow me to make a quick exit. I had it signed by a lawyer friend and a doctor...

If you do not sign one, they do everything possible to prevent the inevitable.

I have seen this in so many cases... Quite often, the doctors and relatives of the patient believe they should keep life going. I do not agree. There is an end to everything and I want mine to come as quickly and painlessly as possible, not with me incapacitated, half in coma in bed and with a tube going into my nostrils and down to my stomach.

In such cases, one is little more than a body.

I am not given to making sense out of life - or coming up with some grand narrative on it - other than to measure it by what you think you want to do in life. As for me, I have done what I had wanted to, to the best of my ability. I am satisfied...

Different societies have different philosophical explanations for life and the hereafter.

If you go to America, you will find fervent Christians, especially in the conservative Bible Belt covering much of the country's south.

In China, despite decades of Maoist and Marxist indoctrination, ancestral worship and other traditional Buddhist or Taoist-based religious practices are commonplace.

In India, belief in reincarnation is widespread.

I wouldn't call myself an atheist. I neither deny nor accept that there is a God. The universe, they say, came out of the Big Bang.

But human beings on this earth have developed over the last 20,000 years into thinking beings, and are able to see beyond themselves and think about themselves. Is that a result of Darwinian evolution? Or is it God? I do not know.

So I do not laugh at people who believe in God. But I do not necessarily believe in God - nor deny that there could be one."

he only worships himself...and maybe wife
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

... Yesterday at CNY gathering gambling session, he chng geh three times got two times blackjack and one time or leng !:eek::o
he 'peekture' how many times? ...
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

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Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

He ok type of fella lah ! During gambling, he ask pretty minah nurse, get for me a can of heineken.:o
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

Din't see any International Press

eg CNN , CNBC , CNA stations there ...:confused::confused::confused:

Ukraine, ISIL, Africa, global economy, North Korea--all more important than one 91 year oldman.
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

Are you guys implying that LKY has already died (and been buried) many days ago, and that when the PAP government officially announces LKY's date of death, it will be a false date of death and the coffin at LKY's official funeral in the future will be empty and covered so that nobody can see what's inside? :confused:

If that's the case, then that might mean the PAP government is deliberating on the exact date for the annual public holiday in honour of LKY...

Based on the public holiday dates for this year and the past 4 years:
2015: http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave-and-holidays/Pages/public-holidays-2015.aspx
2014: http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave-and-holidays/Pages/public-holidays-2014.aspx
2013: http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave-and-holidays/Pages/public-holidays-2013.aspx
2012: http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave-and-holidays/Pages/public-holidays-2012.aspx
2011: http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/leave-and-holidays/Pages/public-holidays-2011.aspx
it seems that March seldom has any public holidays...

Not only that. there will be no coroner and autopsy on Old Fart. We will never get to find out if he has a heart or not.
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

Though some just won't go despite signing paper


http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...od_death_with_the_help_of_a_doctor_and.2.html


I told him that there were two ways we could allow him to die. We could stop his tube feedings. Without water, I told him, he would die within seven to 10 days. Or we could disconnect his ventilator, which would likely cause his death within a matter of hours. In either case, I emphasized, we would keep him comfortable the entire time.

He said then that he wanted me to disconnect the ventilator. I asked him who he wanted to have present. He wrote that he didn’t want his family there. He wanted Al and me there and a few of his friends. We decided that he would spend the next day saying goodbye to people and that the day after that we would follow his wishes.

So I scheduled him to die on Friday at 10 a.m.

It seemed more than a little bizarre to arrange someone’s death the way I’d arrange a clinic appointment. I found myself wondering just how a person became capable of deciding to die when he wanted so badly to live. Documentaries like Dignitas and How to Die in Oregon have shown us people with terminal illnesses in physical pain so severe that their desire to live is simply and mercifully snuffed out. And though I could readily believe that profound disability like Michael’s had the same ability to remove the fear of death, I couldn’t actually imagine it. My own love of life is too strong, my fear of death too overpowering, to be able to envision calmly scheduling my own death within a matter of days after deciding life was no longer worth living.

The unfortunate truth, however, is the likelihood that I, or anyone else, will one day have to make a decision like Michael’s has never been greater. Medicine’s greatest victory has paradoxically made it far more likely that we’ll also suffer at the hands of its greatest failure: As we’ve gotten better at preventing the most common cause of death in America—heart disease—we’ve increased our exposure to the risk of death from other diseases that kill far less quickly and that arguably end up causing far more suffering. The older we get, the more likely we are to become ill with cancer, dementia, stroke, and other diseases that preferentially afflict the elderly.

True, we’ve also become better at treating these diseases. And even when we can’t cure them, we can help people live longer with them. But is this necessarily a good thing? Certainly, longer life in general is. But what quality of life are the elderly now able to anticipate? The truth is that we’re far more likely to face a fate like Michael’s—meaning extreme disability near the end of our lives—than we’ve ever been at any time in human history.

I have little doubt that what mattered most to Michael near his end is what will matter most to us all near ours: not just that we remain as free from suffering as possible, but also, and perhaps more importantly, that we maintain our autonomy—the ability to continue to make choices that determine what happens to us.

Autonomy isn’t just about freedom. It’s also about being in control. Or, more accurately, the feeling of being in control. It’s the feeling, not the fact, that has the power to make us feel better—that has the power to make us feel as if an unbearably awful situation isn’t quite as awful as it seems. Feeling in control of even one small aspect of an awful situation, in fact, is often the antidote to the suffering such situations create. It’s well-documented that patients given barbiturate prescriptions to end their lives often don’t use them, but are much relieved at being given the power to choose.

Which is why I told Michael that though I couldn’t prevent him from dying, I could give him the power to choose how and when his death would occur. (Though physician-assisted suicide remains illegal in most states, withdrawal of care is permitted in terminal cases if death will occur as a result of the underlying disease process and not as a result of direct physician intervention.) And in the thanks he expressed—painstakingly, over 20 minutes on his cardboard tablet—about being given back that control, I found the reason my interactions with dying patients have been among the most gratifying of my career. For when a patient’s death becomes impossible to prevent, I’ve never believed that there’s nothing I can do. On the contrary, I find I’m needed to offer what are arguably the three most important things a doctor can: a willingness to discuss the subject of mortality, guidance regarding end-of-life care, and a promise to do everything I can to limit suffering and preserve patient autonomy.

So at 10 a.m. that Friday, I showed up in the intensive care unit to guide Michael, Al, and their close friends through the process of allowing Michael to make the choice to die. I explained that we would turn off the monitors that showed the progress of his vital signs, start an intravenous drip of morphine, and, finally, when he was comfortable, disconnect the ventilator. And after we did these things—as his fellow SGI-USA Nichiren Buddhist friends chanted their mantra Nam-myoho-renge-kyo in the background and his eyelids started to droop under the influence of the morphine—I bent down and whispered to Michael that I understood how much he cared about the value he’d created with his life, and that I would do my best to make certain that his death would create value too. I would tell his story to others, I whispered to him, the story of a man who faced a devastating illness with humor, grace, and dignity, a man who became, it seemed to me, even kinder as he grew sicker, and who wrested control away from his disease at least partially by courageously deciding himself when and how he would “take the next step in his journey.” He’d achieved victory, I told him, in the only way any of us can: by refusing to be defeated in his heart by a disease he couldn’t defeat.
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

Not only that. there will be no coroner and autopsy on Old Fart. We will never get to find out if he has a heart or not.

I think should let him die lah, let him be reunited with Gecko. You could see that he has been depressed ever since Gecko had kicked the bucket.

Those handsome security nannies who have been taking care of him - they deserve a break too. Whatever happened to work-life balance? ;)
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

I think should let him die lah, let him be reunited with Gecko. You could see that he has been depressed ever since Gecko had kicked the bucket.



Those handsome security nannies who have been taking care of him - they deserve a break too. Whatever happened to work-life balance? ;)

You let him die, and 5000 people will be unemployed immediately. Starting with those security nannies, then with his private staff, entourage, security detail, full time doctors and nurses, Gurkhas personal bodyguards, bankers, accountants, lawyers, etc. How can our fragile economy take such a hit? Tell me. How Can? Old Fart is an entire economic sector of one.
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

He ok type of fella lah ! During gambling, he ask pretty minah nurse, get for me a can of heineken.:o

he got give you your cee pee eff?
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

I just had a horrible thought. What if Gay Loong over ride his wishes and keep him in a coma on life support for years, just so the wrinkled old fart can continue to collect $16K a month in MP salary?
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

I just had a horrible thought. What if Gay Loong over ride his wishes and keep him in a coma on life support for years, just so the wrinkled old fart can continue to collect $16K a month in MP salary?

that mean somebody have to stand in for him in the next erection
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

that mean somebody have to stand in for him in the next erection

who would want to stand in and have the money go to Harry's bank account instead?
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

if you are correct, the whole PAP machinery want to celebrate CNY happily instead of pretending to cry wolf.

Who care he died before CNY? CNY come first.





He stay in the Istana right?

The grapevine two weeks ago was that he die alr, and that they were waiting for his son to come back from spain to announce. (that was on 8 feb), when LHL was in Spain.

Seems like they were half correct as he was already warded in SGH then(5 feb), the funny thing is the announcement that he was warded was made only on 21 feb.

I think GD's prediction of holiday on 1 Mar holds some water.
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

I just had a horrible thought. What if Gay Loong over ride his wishes and keep him in a coma on life support for years, just so the wrinkled old fart can continue to collect $16K a month in MP salary?

He collects more than his mp allowance.
He got pension....director fees etc etc etc
 
Re: Dictator of S'pore, Lee Con You in hospital for severe pneumonia, dying soon. Yip

I just had a horrible thought. What if Gay Loong over ride his wishes and keep him in a coma on life support for years, just so the wrinkled old fart can continue to collect $16K a month in MP salary?
that mean somebody have to stand in for him in the next erection
who would want to stand in and have the money go to Harry's bank account instead?
His beloved daughter? haha

LKY's daughter: Why I choose to remain single | The Real Singapore
http://therealsingapore.com/content/lkys-daughter-why-i-choose-remain-single
(Post date: 31 Mar 2013 - 4:10pm)

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