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Bigfatfish

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AP, I'm always around, lurking most of the time. :smile:

BFF, agree with the 3 factors you mentioned are basic and valid complaints.

I've friends who'd contemplated in asking the developer to re-plaster the interior walls because they find it not smooth, especially under lighting! Then you have the nitty-gritty complains like not up to their "Singapore hotel standard" bathroom fittings, etc. This was for properties bought above the RM250K days.

Hi Toyohon

Thanks, the only true way is not to compare 250k or even 750k with singapore hotel standard. the only way to compare is with landed property of the same price in Malaysia itself according to their rules. This way is more fair.

i pose this question to a contractor which did my friends' home in johor. i told him we will not use singaproe standards but we will use malaysian standards. so he came out with the rules. in the end the rules he came out with did not pass in accordance to his malaysia standard buidling rules which he dictated. he wasn't very happy with the works his guys did and they did as much rectifications they could.

we cannot play the same way we do in singaproe, we have to follow their rules. there are certain standard rules which will imply to any houses built.
 

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By the way a little a bit myself, i'm not rich to stay in a landed property in Sg.

when i was young, i stayed in a house which leaks whenever it rains. and we would put small pots and pails where the leaks starts. Worse when it rains heavy, the whole house floods.

So now it's the year 2011. it's no longer in the late 70s or 80s. If it was then, nothing i can say, now it's the year 2011, are builders still building roofs like they did 30 or 40 years ago where the roofs leaks? Should such a thing even happen?

Yes it can happen maybe in certain countries. last time police man wear shorts, are they still wearing shorts today?

Do i still want to live in memories whenever it rains , i have to prepare pails, i have to cover up all the electrical stuff so they don't kenna rain water?
 

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Hi BigfatFish,

Thanks for your contribution and I learn a lot from you. Don't be angry over any of the comments.. I don't think they are personal and I am glad we are all able to learn from everyone's contribution. I felt since we are all planning a retirement home in Malaysia, lets stay united.. not quarrel and build up a good forums for other folks to share and learn..

I am a lucky guy who have a decent job and living in a decent fully paid private property in Singapore.. and yet I don't think how I can retire in Singapore. It is so difficult to catch up with the inflation and the government who is closing their eyes taking care of top tiers pretending everyone is ok.. sad.. I wish a good platform sharing information for other Singapore/Malaysian folks who is open to alternative living like living here.. and I wish we can build a new community living in Malaysia..helping each other..

rgds
 

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Hi BigfatFish,

I've got a qns, what is the statistics pool you encountered on such poor quality built in HH? You mean so many owners encounter leaking roofs and cracking walls till date??
I've seen the few projects in Nusajaya region personally.. and while i agree that EL is definitely better than HH, but i'm of opinion that you might be a little bit too harsh and biased against HH.
 

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1. The picture is taken from top left quadrant of an actual picture. (Most cheap lens gives pictures with concave corners). If you look at the left side of the building, seems curved. If building curved, glass break already lah.

2. If you draw horizontal line of the concrete fencing in front of the building, it's also slant down towards right. Building sink one side maybe, fencing so light can sink too??

Either a. it slants but not so much... or b. Optical illusion or bad lens...
 

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Ha, my wide angle lens is good in producing pictures of such effect..



1. The picture is taken from top left quadrant of an actual picture. (Most cheap lens gives pictures with concave corners). If you look at the left side of the building, seems curved. If building curved, glass break already lah.

2. If you draw horizontal line of the concrete fencing in front of the building, it's also slant down towards right. Building sink one side maybe, fencing so light can sink too??

Either a. it slants but not so much... or b. Optical illusion or bad lens...
 

avalon74

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....

A roof over my head. With only 3 simple factors. I believe these 3 factors r not difficult to fullfil.

They r:

1) a roof over my head which will not leak (might as well use coconut leaves as roof if it's going to leak)
2) a house which will not crack apart ( might as well use wood , y put bricks in the first place)
3) security ( what r security guards meant for?)

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BFF
Everyone is entitled to their own views..however nothing last forever (even diamonds included)
With time, deteriation sets in..
My sis condo in Sg also had leaky toliet roof though water proofing suppose to last min of 3 yrs..

the main concern shd be with regards to safety & security.. anything that money can solve/rebuild is secondary.. (my 1.5 cents only)
 

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BFF, please do say what you need to air, some of what you said is true, i have not commented on them at all.

If folks here were that bad, you would have seen lots of tit for tat stuff going on. This isn't about any developments, in case one needs to draw any quick conclusions, just go through the past pages. There has been equally positive and negative comments about other properties including HH all this time if one cares to look. All this time, there has been both good and bad about any property here, its good to highlight. EL was always rated the best, just that i chose otherwise, just like other folks who were keen on HH but looked for others as it may suit their needs better.

This actually sounds like what the MIW in SG would do: Say something wrong, HH might send down their agents clamping down on my love ones. People investing here will start bombarding me.

Thats why if you see someone continuously bombard a certain property or come in once or twice and talk good about a property, share links (which are supposed to be to a forum)but which are to their property website, you might realise what they are doing.

Again, this is not Living in HH or Living in EL, both HH and EL has the same "AH GONG", no one wants to see anyone fails.
 

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Hi Prof, thanks for always being such a forgiving and cool dude. I am also a die hard Android supporter. :biggrin:
 

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well i guess there is no wrong or right in this matter, each n everyone of us is entitled to each own's opinion. Probably the only reason i can think of why we r paying more is a few factors:

security which is suposely guarded n gated.
Singaporeans n investors pushing the price up.
The type of living we dream of living but not possibly in our homeland due to rising costs
we r sick n tired of our home nation
enuf of pigeon holes / letter boxes but cannot afford landed in sg hence choose somewhere cheaper
need for that breathing space since foreign talent has over taken as first class citizens where they r treated even better
lots more

however remember developers promises? Quality living quality houses quality homes quality workmanship but what is quality to them may not mean the same as us? How can this be?

They come sg to promote , eg. I went to mont calista to view, i shake my head. Sorry dun mean to offend anyone here who hates to listen to the truth

for me, if a place can have a world class golf course why cannot at least do a place a bit much more proper? I'm not asking for the sky but all i'm really asking for is:

A roof over my head. With only 3 simple factors. I believe these 3 factors r not difficult to fullfil.

They r:

1) a roof over my head which will not leak (might as well use coconut leaves as roof if it's going to leak)
2) a house which will not crack apart ( might as well use wood , y put bricks in the first place)
3) security ( what r security guards meant for?)

I applogize if my words hurt anyone, they r solely my own interpretation n how i feel. It's not meant to be of offence to anyone nor meant to chase anyone away or putting down any would be home owner in johor.

I guess this is what living in johor is about. We can renovate to make a place look better but we r not meant to buy a leaking roof n think how to solve this problem. If u r a developer would u develop houses with roofs that leak?

Thanks for reading. Moderator may delete this post n banned me here or give me a warning if u find my words too harsh. Warmest regards. BFF

Haha there is no Moderator in this forum. We maintain our behaviour on this thread in respect of Wuqi, just as a guest would respect the owner of the house. Sounds like you have some construction knowledge, please do share and benefit us by all means.

I recall arguing with the developer back in SG on the seepage of rain through the adjoining area between the bay window and concrete. The fella insisted that there is no waterproofing done around that area other than the sealant which could crack over time, in particular so for my apartment which had afternoon sun. Till this day i am still not sure if that is true? I very much agree with you as house owners one should DEMAND certain basic standards such as roof should not leak, water should not seep through the walls, land should be termite treated before building, etc.

The root cause is developer's greed to maximise margin to the extent of not having adequate quality control. Just go around any construction site, even EL, i can't see any supervisor??? 99% of the time the Indonesian workers are left to build the houses very much on their own. 20 years ago you will see the local foreman keenly supervising the construction but gone are the days.
 

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I do not attempt to hide anything, we are all here to share our experiences be it good or bad. There is not such thing as everything good. If everything sounds too good to be true, then it's not!.

I learned a lot from a friend's father how to see many things in the contstruction/renovation industry.

we start with water leakage. things to note, as already mentioned by our dear friend 2 to 3 pages from here. after rainy day when rain stop, you will start to see certain areas more damp than others. there will be a reflection mark. as the ceilings of many units in this part of Johor are made from gymsum board, this water wetness will actually cause the board to be light brown after the water seeps there. due to dirt in the roofing ceiling area.

i've gone up into the ceiling inside and seen how it was all formed up. it's not only HH but all these new developments around. not all of them but majority of them. after a rain , water will trikle down the sides of walls and some of it will actually enter the house from the side or the top. you will not miss it. water dripping into the house.

so when viewing a house sub sale, look at the ceiling, look at the floor, look for visible marks. if owners are cleaning and mopping the house when u visit or just finish mopping , you can guess something there already.

look at the outside of the house, look for difference in colour for the walls. crack lines are scary. they mean a lot of stories behind the wall. I do water proofing in the past so i'm scare of crack lines.

crack lines also mean the process of putting the brick tiles up, not letting enuf time for it to set then putting up the rendering straight away a day later or even the very day itself. and even before first layer of rendering dries up, 2nd layer comes in. even before 1st and 2nd layer dries, they throw the plaster all on straight away.

i was having a minor discussion with a sub con yesterday who does tiling, he says if wall new , can do many things to it. i said no, and explain to him, then told him the practices overseas which is normally done by a professional. hence no professionals in SG and JB? he said no time, no choice everything rushing and it will be to costly to do the method i told him about.

basically only well trained skilled Chinaman in Singapore do it. hence all these special group of people are here in singapore only to do the landed private properties. and probably half of the condos done by them. in order to qualify to come here to work in the construction industry they have to pass a few tests before they can come.

there are 2 kinds of them, the skilled ones who are here to do all the walls leveling and so on. the not so skilled ones are unskilled here to do the manual work ......

don't want to go too much in. hence i refuse to let any malaysians enter my place to carry out renovations. i know too many of them, not that they are bad , they are good but......

as a johorian, who stays in johor, by the time enter singapore what time already? in order to avoid the jam, must rush back early. so if a certain wall cannot finish in time, rush rush rush, think of the end result. the style to cover up imperfections are many. i've seen it and i ask why they give me reasons since i'm part of them in the team. its' a no choice sitiuation.

hence i will not allow any shoddy work should i have a team of workers.

Thanks for your detailed sharing, it is very good info.

You mentioned look at outside of the house and crack lines, you mean crack lines outside the house will lead to water seepage? Yes, have come across some houses with crack lines outside. How about crack lines inside the house? Also will cause water seepage? Have seen houses with crack lines inside the house too.

Can tap your contruction/renovation knowledge on tiles? My place in SG have a few marble wall tiles in the bathroom that sound hollow. It is over 10 year old building but i only discovered it recently after the edge of one tile chipped off. When i pressed against the tile, it is already not fully bonded to the wall.

I called a few contractors but they are not keen to repair as the affected area is small (around 1 sq meter). One of the contractor did come to see and say can take out the tiles and do re-tiling. But after that, the contractor didn't appear and not contactable (probably job too small). When I asked another contractor, he said taking out the tiles will sure break the tiles and as i have no spare marble tiles, will be hard to find matching marble tiles, i should just leave it until the tiles really pop out and repair the whole wall at one go.

So will taking out the tiles surely break the tiles? Understand if i don't take out the tiles, cannot re-do the cementing of the tiles properly. In the meantime, i just paste scotch tape over the affected tile. Can I don't take out the tiles and just squeeze in the super glue or some bonding material? I have bought a tube for bonding tiles from hardware shop. Will appreciate very much if you can advise. Thanks.
 
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