Liar = 145 Votes Strategy - A lesson in running a low profile campaign

[brocoli]

Kee Chiu is designate minister without Portfolio to be succeed Zorro as NTUC Chief and not PM material. Kee Chiu is known for his ability to handle Uncle and Aunties.

You are right aout his lack of charisma. More an Aunty killer.

I actually think quite highly of Lawrence Wong.... he would likely be a full minister along with CCS, and TCJ within the next 2 years....

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Scroobal,

It is the general sentiments which is working against PAP and yes, PAP is indeed in trouble. But WP is facing a small problem as well, beside its internal problems. If you look at the spoilt votes plus absentees, more than 7% there. This indicates part of the middle ground is not convinced by WP but they won't want to vote PAP either.

So I think Locke and you may have been to quick to conclude that WP is now almighty and will go into 3 corner fight anyhow.

This BE result has set WP back to GE2006 level.


Goh Meng Seng

 

[jw5]

I actually think quite highly of Lawrence Wong.... he would likely be a full minister along with CCS, and TCJ within the next 2 years....

tis one must get married first right?

 

[murphy]

[QUOTE=Goh Meng Sen

Hello Uncle Goh, u are a joker. Muahahaha

 

[coolguy]

Teo CH should be a logical successor, There have been high talks about him being the one
as far back during his early days of his political career.
In terms of height and desired personality, I think few can match him.

For this election campaign, pappies have been using both the soft(DC) and hard(Teo CH) method.
This sort of "double standard" tactics seek to reap the maximum benefits by appealing to a wide
spectrum of voters. But it could also backfire as it can confuse the voters and opposition using this chance
to question the candidate stand.

I think even WP could have been pleasantly surprised by the result.
The post election speech by LTK spelt of doom and uneasiness.
They have have prepared for the worst.

 

[scroobal]

WP is not almighty.

It is benefiting directly from PAP's poor performance and conduct as well as its attitude to Singaporans. WP amongst all the parties have worked harder than most and using an appropropriate and effective strategy.

WP faces many issues and these need to be resolved. Their approach to engaging and handling minority members is a huge issue. I did not realise that the Indian chap did not even have O levels to his name. They also need to expose their key MPS more widely. CSM, GG and gang should not wait for MSM to wrtie about them. They should take a leaf out of SDP's publicity book. They need not talk about politics for that matter.

Scroobal,

It is the general sentiments which is working against PAP and yes, PAP is indeed in trouble. But WP is facing a small problem as well, beside its internal problems. If you look at the spoilt votes plus absentees, more than 7% there. This indicates part of the middle ground is not convinced by WP but they won't want to vote PAP either.

So I think Locke and you may have been to quick to conclude that WP is now almighty and will go into 3 corner fight anyhow.

This BE result has set WP back to GE2006 level.


Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

Agree on the confusion part.


Teo was brought in 1992 the same year that LHL was diagnosed with cancer. If LHL is in good health, why would he hand over to a chap only 2 years younger.

Teo CH should be a logical successor, There have been high talks about him being the one
as far back during his early days of his political career.
In terms of height and desired personality, I think few can match him.

For this election campaign, pappies have been using both the soft(DC) and hard(Teo CH) method.
This sort of "double standard" tactics seek to reap the maximum benefits by appealing to a wide
spectrum of voters. But it could also backfire as it can confuse the voters and opposition using this chance
to question the candidate stand.

I think even WP could have been pleasantly surprised by the result.
The post election speech by LTK spelt of doom and uneasiness.
They have have prepared for the worst.

 

[scroobal]

Unlike the US which has to accommodate the hugely influential bible belt, its not a necessity here even for cabinet. Our new age churches which support the PAP endorses spouses doing slut dances, so no issues there as well.

I understand only the Indians have an issue with unmarried single status in the eyes of the PAP. I have asked my Indian friends but they do not think so.

Anyway, politics in Singapore do not bring in their wives into play except for the President, PM and Shanmugam and the last for obvious reasons.

tis one must get married first right?

 

[coolguy]

Agree that in 1992 Teo CH is unlikely since he is new and fresh.
But I am talking about now.
NEH has been out of the lmelight for so long.
If he is to be PM, eyebrows will raised and questions be asked.
so I will rather think it is Teo CH or if not Tharman the botak.

 

[jw5]

Unlike the US which has to accommodate the hugely influential bible belt, its not a necessity here even for cabinet.

I thought that for years, not just the cabinet but even the pap mps had to be "happily married".
It was not long ago that they started having single women mps (Irene who got married while an MP, Penny, Indranee, etc) and only recently
that they had single male mps (usually those in their 30s).
Can u recall any full cabinet ministar who was single when appointed a ministar? I can't, appears all married, male or female.
In fact, Lawrence could be the only MOS who was appointed as a single person, apparently he is divorced.

 

[brocoli]

I thought that for years, not just the cabinet but even the pap mps had to be "happily married".
It was not long ago that they started having single women mps (Irene who got married while an MP, Penny, Indranee, etc) and only recently
that they had single male mps (usually those in their 30s).
Can u recall any full cabinet ministar who was single when appointed a ministar? I can't, appears all married, male or female.
In fact, Lawrence could be the only MOS who was appointed as a single person, apparently he is divorced.

i find Lawrence very sharp during the parliamentary debate....

even when defending economic issues... no doubt due to his stint in MTI and MOF...

his portfolio is defence and education though....

 

[3_M]

Agree. The concept that residents of Hougang and PP pay the same tax and have the same obligations to the country seemed to be misplaced. Forcing these residents to submit seems to be only weapon in the current tactical arsenal.

I am keen to see what comes out in 2016.

It doesn't guarantee PAP will win more votes by giving equal treatment but it does encourage more people to vote oppositions without worrying about the inconvenience of having a non-PAP MP.

My guess is PAP will unlikely change their approach in these sense. It a lose-lose proposition to them.

 

[brocoli]

Agree that in 1992 Teo CH is unlikely since he is new and fresh.
But I am talking about now.
NEH has been out of the lmelight for so long.
If he is to be PM, eyebrows will raised and questions be asked.
so I will rather think it is Teo CH or if not Tharman the botak.

scoobal the insider know everything.... but does he know the Ng ENg Hen has to be co-opted... and then they announced explicitly that gan will take charge of GE2016.... a slap on Ng ENg Hen face....

a person who cant even win the support of his own cadres/grassroot how to be sec gen.....?

 

[jw5]

i find Lawrence very sharp during the parliamentary debate....

even when defending economic issues... no doubt due to his stint in MTI and MOF...

his portfolio is defence and education though....

I find him much better than most of the newbie office holders in the last batch, including lanfang keechiu and
"I have less time to see my children grow up" TCJ.
He doesn't give the impression of being a porlumpar or a humbug.

 

[scroobal]

In those days marriages were done as a matter of course. Now we see more singles or those living as umarried partners. Even HDB has relented.

I understand that it is not a show stopper and LW appointment was significant signal.

I thought that for years, not just the cabinet but even the pap mps had to be "happily married".
It was not long ago that they started having single women mps (Irene who got married while an MP, Penny, Indranee, etc) and only recently
that they had single male mps (usually those in their 30s).
Can u recall any full cabinet ministar who was single when appointed a ministar? I can't, appears all married, male or female.
In fact, Lawrence could be the only MOS who was appointed as a single person, apparently he is divorced.

 

[brocoli]

I find him much better than most of the newbie office holders in the last batch, including lanfang keechiu and
"I have less time to see my children grow up" TCJ.
He doesn't give the impression of being a porlumpar or a humbug.

he give the impression of a hum sup chee hong kia....

very sly look ... the kind who will smile at you even as he stab you in the back

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

If you look at the spoilt votes plus absentees, more than 7% there.

May I know who is this 7% relevant? During the GE, there were close to this percentage of absentees nationwide as well. This is not a uniquely HG phenomenon.

So I think Locke and you may have been to quick to conclude that WP is now almighty and will go into 3 corner fight anyhow.

This BE result has set WP back to GE2006 level.

Goh Meng Seng

Wrong. You listen to LTK last night? He exhibited an unprecedented level of confidence. Hit very hard back at the PAP and even at the MSM. Never for once minced his words. WP is not at 2006 level. In fact last night they have successfully advanced even beyond the 2011 level.

Now what's left is to take care of some loose ends within the party. With the 62% victory, LTK will have no trouble rallying his troops to keep the fringe elements under check.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Teo was brought in 1992 the same year that LHL was diagnosed with cancer. If LHL is in good health, why would he hand over to a chap only 2 years younger.

Was GCT responsible for bringing TCH in at the "opportune" time in 1992?

 

[deepblue0911]

WP is not at 2006 level. In fact last night they have successfully advanced even beyond the 2011 level.

Clearly, according to GMS, WP has gone back to 2006, the year he left WP? In other words, after GMS left WP, WP went on a downward spiral. WP is not the same without GMS. NSP is not the same without GMS. The world is not the same without GMS. Did you realise GMS CAN'T stop talking/referring/alluding to himself?

Clearly, GMS is the centre of universe.

Clearly, Greece would not have its current crisis if GMS were born a Greek.

Clearly, we need to clone more GMS to make this world a better place.

 

[scroobal]

It was during his watch and TCH worked with him when GCT was Min of Defence. But Old Man was still SG of PAP and the family link to old man's wife cannot be discounted. TCH was always highly regarded as a mature and measured imdividual with good EQ. In 2011, he became a ranking power broker and he began to wield the stick alot more.

My sense is that he is out of the race for PM and there is no image issue to look after.

Was GCT responsible for bringing TCH in at the "opportune" time in 1992?