LHL forces Moderate Opposition to either take it a notch up or quit

[Slim_10_Sg]

LHL's playing of Change will eliminate the fundamental political ground and capital of so call moderate opposition, whose vote came from the low-risk ranting of issues that made PAP unpopular. When LHL appeared to be eliminating these issues himself the moderate oppositions are unable to claim much credit because the changes are Not Implemented by these oppositions but LHL. That means LHL took your roles as moderate opposition.

This is a very significant replacement of roles, that LHL now took over your roles, that Singaporeans now do not any longer need you to rant these issues, not going to vote you for ranting these issues, but will vote PAP for giving them the so called Change.



So for those who were taking the low-risk or more comfortable moderate opposition lines, you have a problem. How are you going to get votes in GE2016?

If you compete on the basis of candidate quality then you are also replacing yourself from within your own parties by absorbing in some PAP-TYPE candidates.

And with that it does not assure your win, because your candidates are not experienced.

So what options are left for you moderate oppositions?

If you are WP then your best hope is to run Aljunied & Hougang well to get votes, if you have no Town to run, then you are either out or unless you step yourself one more notch up to take more risks and expose LHL & PAP more or launch more aggressive attacks.

The only one other way is not effective at all which is to sell alternative policies, which can not be proven until you are in power, and which is subjected to same or worse scrutiny by everyone including voters PAP and other oppositions.



Think about it.

 

[Slim_10_Sg]

Another matter is that Singaporeans will now find it safe for themselves to exercise freedom of expression directly without depending on opposition, so netizens or speakers corner or otherwise politicizing matters can be freely done on their own parts by general Singaporeans, they can call into radio shows, or write to (changing) Shits Times.

If needed the citizens will feel less restriction even to come out and contest as independent candidates already. Why would they need these Moderate Opposition Parties any longer.

 

[HTOLAS]

But as of now, everyone also knows that all these came about because there was a threefold increase of elected opposition members. That's what the opposition needs to communicate from now till the next election (which I think is way BEFORE 2016). Had the PAPzis won all the seats, it would have been politics as usual.

 

[PRC_ft]

长期以来在新加坡当反对党的条件一直没有什么改变。但是现在已经被改变了。

以前当反对党的人主要需要有胆子，肯牺牲，不需要太有才。因为以前必需被打压迫害，破产坐牢的。所以必需有胆气肯牺牲自己。不会怎样高机会当选所以也不必太有才。詹刘两议员20多年一再当选，却不是很高学位的学者，也说明不必太有才。

惹耶勒南就是有胆气肯牺牲的例子，他确也不是很有才。却是有资深的法律背景。

以前还有一类反对党是有钱的。但是躲在安全区不冲锋的。资助一些候选人陪自己安全的参选。但是到现在一个也未当选。

现在的选民认为陈硕茂有才，所以从现在到2016很多人关注他的表现。之后会根据这个观察结果来决定到底有才是否有用。

现在当反对党已经很安全。不太可能再会去破产坐牢的。也不需要太有钱。因为网民百姓已经做到出钱出力协助反对党了。没钱也可以当反对党的。完全没有经验没有任何特别能力的年轻人，现在靠网络也很容易出位成名。所以游戏规则跟以前完全不一样了。

 

[minibond]

But as of now, everyone also knows that all these came about because there was a threefold increase of elected opposition members. That's what the opposition needs to communicate from now till the next election (which I think is way BEFORE 2016). Had the PAPzis won all the seats, it would have been politics as usual.

Not really because of that. There were Anson Potong Pasir Hougang Ngee Soon & Bukit Gombak all that before. Did not cause the same effects. I will not credit the effects to the 6 seats.

That facts are previously even when more seats were lost by PAP, they went further to increase their own salaries, make more SM & MM and enlarge GRCs to more and more seats, sue more opposition and arrest more opposition. Also increased GST and brought in lots of foreigners. They even said Hougang & Potong Pasir are Bachiku and Papaya they can pluck away. They had not been afraid to lose seats.

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

The voters will need to consider new reason why they need to vote for opposition if the ruling party seems to be changing and giving them what they wanted. Even if voters knew that it was the opposition that had forced ruling party to change, but they also know that they can continue to enjoy this without giving votes to opposition.

Opposition therefore need to find newer ways to oppose and the old ways of the past will stop to work any further.

 

[IR123]

Think about it.

"Think about it" always seem to signify some profound thought processes is in place. I am positive the oppositions have thought long and extensively over it.

LHL's policies can never eliminate the growth of a moderate opposition. It may reduce the support for ALL opposition but it can never eliminate the need for a moderate opposition. If anything it may spell the demise of political parties like the NSP, SPP, SDA, SDP, etc because their value is largely based on dissatisfaction of the PAP without any concrete evidence of their capability.

At this time, it is better to remain in the sidelines for the next few years to see if LHL can really perform. The public will be able to gauge his will and capability within the next couple of years, max 3 years. The extent of support for an alternative party will be more evident at that stage. By that time, the WP will build up an enviable track record of looking after two estates. Whilst SPP, SDA, SDP, NSP, RP have none. Any dissatisfaction votes will therefore flow to the WP as they have the PROVEN stamp whilst the others are at the STILL TALKING stage.

Thus if anything were to come from LHL's policies, it will impact the non-elected parties far more than the WP. The need for an alternative still remains and the WP is far in the lead in that regard.

On the other hand, if LHL fails in his policies, then all the opposition parties will benefit.

The judge is the voters.

 

[tanwahtiu]

LHL is incompetent anyway. If he is good he will not have this election to say sorry to the people. Hillview voters were dispersed by PAP and for their retribution after the old fart up lorry LHL and his Leegime can disperse, exile and fuck off from Singapore.

50 years of dirts sweeping underneath the carpet by LKY, LHL cannot take the heats to cover for his old fart when one by one is exposed after old fart up lorry. So where got time for LHL be a moderator when the carpet is lifted. PAP is finished after death of LKY. LKY will be like Pol Pot, Saddman Hussien and all dictators and their regimes will die and be forgotten.

"Think about it" always seem to signify some profound thought processes is in place. I am positive the oppositions have thought long and extensively over it.

LHL's policies can never eliminate the growth of a moderate opposition. It may reduce the support for ALL opposition but it can never eliminate the need for a moderate opposition. If anything it may spell the demise of political parties like the NSP, SPP, SDA, SDP, etc because their value is largely based on dissatisfaction of the PAP without any concrete evidence of their capability.

At this time, it is better to remain in the sidelines for the next few years to see if LHL can really perform. The public will be able to gauge his will and capability within the next couple of years, max 3 years. The extent of support for an alternative party will be more evident at that stage. By that time, the WP will build up an enviable track record of looking after two estates. Whilst SPP, SDA, SDP, NSP, RP have none. Any dissatisfaction votes will therefore flow to the WP as they have the PROVEN stamp whilst the others are at the STILL TALKING stage.

Thus if anything were to come from LHL's policies, it will impact the non-elected parties far more than the WP. The need for an alternative still remains and the WP is far in the lead in that regard.

On the other hand, if LHL fails in his policies, then all the opposition parties will benefit.

The judge is the voters.

 

[HTOLAS]

We both forgot to mention the slide in the overall vote share. While on the surface it was only a 6% slide, in reality it was a lot more serious. The 66.6% vote share that the PAPzis got in 2006 was based on a near by-election effect with 37 seats uncontested. The 60% vote share they have in 2011, on the other hand, is based on nearly all seats contested.

So, the message is clear, the PAPzis need spurs in their sides (in the form of more GRC losses) if we are to expect better governance. No single party should be given more than 2/3 of the seats in parliament.

Not really because of that. There were Anson Potong Pasir Hougang Ngee Soon & Bukit Gombak all that before. Did not cause the same effects. I will not credit the effects to the 6 seats.

That facts are previously even when more seats were lost by PAP, they went further to increase their own salaries, make more SM & MM and enlarge GRCs to more and more seats, sue more opposition and arrest more opposition. Also increased GST and brought in lots of foreigners. They even said Hougang & Potong Pasir are Bachiku and Papaya they can pluck away. They had not been afraid to lose seats.

 

[LeMans2011]

Poor brain-washed Sinkie. I am referring to the thread starter. Decades of brain-washing is hard to be disinfected. PAP has clearly succeeded in turning a large proportion of Sinkies into robots who are programmed to think the PAP way.

 

[minibond]

We both forgot to mention the slide in the overall vote share. While on the surface it was only a 6% slide, in reality it was a lot more serious. The 66.6% vote share that the PAPzis got in 2006 was based on a near by-election effect with 37 seats uncontested. The 60% vote share they have in 2011, on the other hand, is based on nearly all seats contested.

So, the message is clear, the PAPzis need spurs in their sides (in the form of more GRC losses) if we are to expect better governance. No single party should be given more than 2/3 of the seats in parliament.

This reason is more agreeable and that break in GRC fortress is another factor.

The fact is now that there are changes and opposition needs to change themselves 1st before talking about changing SG.

 

[ray_of_hope]

But as of now, everyone also knows that all these came about because there was a threefold increase of elected opposition members. That's what the opposition needs to communicate from now till the next election (which I think is way BEFORE 2016). Had the PAPzis won all the seats, it would have been politics as usual.

Interesting that you think the next GE will be held way before 2016. That is what some in the opposition would like. As such I think it would be most unlikely. It will be stretched out to as long as possible so as to justify a radical slicing and dicing of the electoral map.

 

[commoner]

this is only the beginning,,,, a knee jerk reaction from pinky loong,,,, it would not be long when all revert back to their sinful ways and crying and apologising when near next election,,,,

will LHL create A teams to protect certain people? will he group the umbeciles and incompetent MPs into small GRCs as give away?

Who will quit their civil service jobs to contest under PAP flag?

LKY/GCT will probably be gone?

Who are LHL strong leaders? GKY? KBH? VB? almost all these ministers are more or less disposables like diapers.

PAP has got to buck up alot more than the moderate oppositions in order to enjoy the 2/3 majority next time around.

 

[Slim_10_Sg]

Poor brain-washed Sinkie. I am referring to the thread starter. Decades of brain-washing is hard to be disinfected. PAP has clearly succeeded in turning a large proportion of Sinkies into robots who are programmed to think the PAP way.

You may assume all you like but you are wrong. I never follow any thinking from any country much to say SG.

The voters are easy to trick and it had always been, even if they had voted in 10 opposition this GE they are still not escaped from this. Despite the fact that LHL can fall flat on his face also in his changes, there is still lots of voters being made to believe that in LHL's change. LHL got Gerald Ee to so called Clean Up NKF and so many Singaporeans belived it already. This round is the same. Once LKY is out of the picture many Singaporeans had let go lots of guards and disgruntles just like when TT Durai is gone. Not to mention bunch of unpopular ministers fired. And LHL is expected to reverse some policies just like in NKF again.

You can obviously see that NONE of any opposition re-mentioned NKF this round, they had got away with it already.

Now you imagine next GE when entire PAP becomes NKF, what can these moderate opposition say about them any more? What role and position can these moderate opposition take? There is nothing left for them if they continue to stay within the safe and comfort zone.

When LHL / PAP is seemingly done lots of changes, then what opposition are you when you are not in position to secure any changes wanted by Singaporeans? Your grounds are already eliminated. If you can not find new grounds you are out!

 

[IR123]

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When LHL / PAP is seemingly done lots of changes, then what opposition are you when you are not in position to secure any changes wanted by Singaporeans? Your grounds are already eliminated. If you can not find new grounds you are out!

Let me put it this way. In the event that PM LHL is able to effect changes and regain the support of the voters, then rightfully the votes are his.

 

[Slim_10_Sg]

Let me put it this way. In the event that PM LHL is able to effect changes and regain the support of the voters, then rightfully the votes are his.

May be I am more political than you. But in your attitude it implied that moderate oppositions are expected to join PAP and vote PAP if LHL pulled off this one?

 

[genetics]

But you must also not forget.........................
LHL cannot switch role TOO MUCH...........
The electorates will then learn that, having oppositions will result in a more moderate PAP, then, they may be tempted to put in more oppositions.

Plus , the younger voters may be more tempted to vote oppositions too.

LHL's playing of Change will eliminate the fundamental political ground and capital of so call moderate opposition, whose vote came from the low-risk ranting of issues that made PAP unpopular. When LHL appeared to be eliminating these issues himself the moderate oppositions are unable to claim much credit because the changes are Not Implemented by these oppositions but LHL. That means LHL took your roles as moderate opposition.

This is a very significant replacement of roles, that LHL now took over your roles, that Singaporeans now do not any longer need you to rant these issues, not going to vote you for ranting these issues, but will vote PAP for giving them the so called Change.

Think about it.

 

[IR123]

May be I am more political than you. But in your attitude it implied that moderate oppositions are expected to join PAP and vote PAP if LHL pulled off this one?

I can't help what you read into my words.

 

[HTOLAS]

There is one thing that any governing party (right now, the PAPzis) cannot give to the people by itself, a parliament in which they do not have a 2/3 majority, which to me is the benchmark for a meaningful world class parliament in which the ruling party cannot make all manner of changes to the constitution without consultation. This is why any opposition (other than a fascist party, perhaps) is important.

And if you think Singaporeans can dispense with opposition because they have the internet to vent, consider what LTY called the negative comments about the PAPzis and Salah Peiling. He and not a few others dismissed them as 'noise'. With six elected opposition MPs, the noise has become a means of engagement.

You may assume all you like but you are wrong. I never follow any thinking from any country much to say SG.

The voters are easy to trick and it had always been, even if they had voted in 10 opposition this GE they are still not escaped from this. Despite the fact that LHL can fall flat on his face also in his changes, there is still lots of voters being made to believe that in LHL's change. LHL got Gerald Ee to so called Clean Up NKF and so many Singaporeans belived it already. This round is the same. Once LKY is out of the picture many Singaporeans had let go lots of guards and disgruntles just like when TT Durai is gone. Not to mention bunch of unpopular ministers fired. And LHL is expected to reverse some policies just like in NKF again.

You can obviously see that NONE of any opposition re-mentioned NKF this round, they had got away with it already.

Now you imagine next GE when entire PAP becomes NKF, what can these moderate opposition say about them any more? What role and position can these moderate opposition take? There is nothing left for them if they continue to stay within the safe and comfort zone.

When LHL / PAP is seemingly done lots of changes, then what opposition are you when you are not in position to secure any changes wanted by Singaporeans? Your grounds are already eliminated. If you can not find new grounds you are out!

 

[uncleyap]

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?...1st-Aljunied-Meet-The-People-Session-still-on!

Read here and later watch the video (still uploading) - Mr. LTK works VERY HARD 5hr solid non-stop meet the peasants until past 1am midnight still going on.

LEEgime George Yeo will do this way? My foot!