Law Minion Shanmugam: SGP is Similar with Monarchies

[motormafia]

He used monarchies like Malaysia UK & Australia where Aussie Head Of State is Queen of UK, to compare with Republic of Singapore where we are SUPPOSED to have ELECTED PRESIDENT!


Queen & Sultan & A-Gong are NOT elected.



Prata-man is expensive useless figure we all knew, and it became more and more ridiculous as things developed.

We Singaporeans MUST expect Elected (even fucking walked-over) President to function independently and exercise decision and presidential power independently, not manipulated by cabinet like a puppet. Otherwise we dont' have to pay millions and pretend to have an ELECTED president to double check the cabinet, might as well have the cabinet minister ROTATED to be in the role as presidential rubber stamp?

Save Cost and save BS mah!
:oIo:


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1075233/1/.html



Law Minister's comments on convicted drug trafficker misrepresented
By Hoe Yeen Nie | Posted: 14 August 2010 2217 hrs

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Law Minister K Shanmugam



SINGAPORE: Law Minister K Shanmugam said Singapore's constitutional provision for presidential pardons is similar to what's practised in countries like the UK, Australia and Malaysia.

He was responding to media queries on the case of convicted drug trafficker Yong Vui Kong.

In 2008, the High Court sentenced Yong to the death penalty for trafficking around 47g of heroin.

On Friday, a High Court judge squashed a petition by defence lawyer M Ravi to review the clemency process, saying that under the constitution, the power to grant pardons lies solely with the Cabinet.

The law minister clarified that he had been misrepresented over comments he had made in May.

In a reply to a resident at a community dialogue that month, Mr Shanmugam reiterated the government's tough stance on drug offenders regardless of their age.

"There have been many misrepresentations about what I said. Those were repeated several times and continued even after Ministry of Law issued a clarification. Some people seem to have difficulties with the facts even after the clarification was issued, and the High Court has dealt with it," he said.

In court, Mr Ravi had argued that comments made by the minister in May had prejudiced the case. -CNA/wk/fa

 

[motormafia]

Let me point out that the REAL Elected Presidents e.g. USA, Taiwan, Korean, Filipino etc, completely independently exercise their own decisions.

They can even appoint or fire any ministers on their own free will. Even parliament can not alter presidential decision, they can only impeach president if they are unhappy.

That is what we called Elected President.

What we have in Singapore is a piece of FLATTENED PRATA!

:oIo::p

 

[halsey02]

In short....he will not get a second chance unless God intervene......there is also manmade, MONEY, POWER & CONNECTION...

 

[Baroko]

Our President's favourite song: "Silence is Golden"

Favourite book: "Why am I here?"

 

[jw5]

Our President's favourite song: "Silence is Golden"

Favourite book: "Why am I here?"

Favourite movie: Who Am I? Starring Jackie Chan

 

[Sideswipe]

In republics with a parliamentary system (such as Germany, Austria, Italy and Israel) the head of state is usually titled "president" or its equivalent, but the main functions of such a president are ceremonial, as opposed to the president in a presidential or semi-presidential system.

parliamentary system president is rubber stamp for cabinet.

 

[tun_dr_m]

In republics with a parliamentary system (such as Germany, Austria, Italy and Israel) the head of state is usually titled "president" or its equivalent, but the main functions of such a president are ceremonial, as opposed to the president in a presidential or semi-presidential system.

parliamentary system president is rubber stamp for cabinet.

Partly true only.

There are equivalents of parliaments in other countries where presidents are elected, e.g. USA got Congress, Russians have Federal Assembly + Federation Council + State Duma, Philippines have Congress, Taiwan have Li-Fa-Yuan, etc.

 

[Sideswipe]

Partly true only.

There are equivalents of parliaments in other countries where presidents are elected, e.g. USA got Congress, Russians have Federal Assembly + Federation Council + State Duma, Philippines have Congress, Taiwan have Li-Fa-Yuan, etc.

what I mean is parliamentary system president ( elected or not ) perform largely ceremonial duties.

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

K. Shamugam is no Minion.

First Class Honours.

Davinder only Second Upper.

Ho Panty, I believe Second Upper.

 

[tun_dr_m]

K. Shamugam is no Minion.

First Class Honours.

Davinder only Second Upper.

Ho Panty, I believe Second Upper.

Pse lah shit load of paper qualifications are nothing, a dog with professor qualification is still a dog. OK.

E.g. Prof Ho Peng Kee.:p

 

[tun_dr_m]

what I mean is parliamentary system president ( elected or not ) perform largely ceremonial duties.

I know, what you are trying to say is that where there is PM the president is not the real power figure.

Singapore changed legislation to have elected president on top of that older system. So we are quite uniquely Singapore now.:p

 

[tun_dr_m]

what I mean is parliamentary system president ( elected or not ) perform largely ceremonial duties.

I know, what you are trying to say is that where there is PM the president is not the real power figure.

Singapore changed legislation to have elected president on top of that older system. So we are quite uniquely Singapore now.:p

 

[Brightkid]

And these elected Presidents (USA ?) and Prime Ministers (UK ?) is only maximum of 2 terms (provided relected for 2nd term) ?

These will ensure an open audit on the reserve, which is BADLY needed here, from the way the YOG budget vs spending is seen.

 

[HTOLAS]

Republics have a variety of governmental systems but can broadly be divided into three:

1. Presidential - The president in this case is both head of state as well as government - he/she can also initiate legislation and is directly responsible for many functions of government, e.g. defence, foreign affairs, etc. He/she answers to the legislature (congress, parliament) only under certain circumstances. The best examples are the US, Philippines and perhaps Indonesia.
2. Parliamentary - the president here is the largely ceremonial head of state, much like the constitutional monarchs. He/she does not do anything except on the advice of the cabinet. The head of government in this case is the PM. This president usually has only one important power - in the event of an uncertain election outcome, it is up to him/her to invite the party leader who in his/her opinion has the confidence of parliament to form the government. Such presidents are usually appointed by parliament. Countries that have this system include India, the non-monarchial states of Malaysia, Israel, Germany and until the mess of the 'elected president', Singapore.
3. Mixed - Here, there is an executive president who is also assisted / constrained by a PM and a parliament. Different countries with this system have different distribution of powers and responsibilities. Countries with this system include France, China, ROK, ROC, Russia, many of the former Warsaw Pact countries.

In his drive to be uniquely Singapore, grate leeder introduced the EP which was not supposed to be an executive presidency but which has 'custodial' powers which the ceremonial president don't have. This EP was supposed to have the right to deny access to national reserves, block senior appointments to the civil, military and judicial services without the advice of cabinet. He's not supposed to initiate anything and does not have the power of pardon except on the advice of cabinet. He also would have the right to query government expenditure... until OTC actually tried. We know the rest.

 

[Ramseth]

Very simple. The President is Head of State and the Prime Minister is Head of Government. What's the difference? Very simple. The President heads and the Prime Minister governs. Why must two different? Passed down from monarchical and colonial times when democratic representation overtook absolute monarchy for governance but retained the monarchy since they still like it as a national symbol and it still have some residual powers by convention, e.g. monarchs of England. Very bad and hated monarchs, they chopped off their heads, e.g. monarchs of France.

The Parliament is the Legislature and the Chief Justice is Head of Judiciary. The MPs pass the laws and the courts decide the verdicts of contested cases.

The US has elected President as both their Head of State and Head of Government. However, he has no power to initiate legislation in Congress (equivalent to Parliament). If he wants to initiate new laws, he has to psycho up sponsorship and enough support in Congress. That separation of powers is to guard against one-man dictatorship.