Serious Kiev vs Moscow! Showdown! (2022)

[Rogue Trader]

His invasion has caused him to lagi lose support from the baltic states and all of east Europe. It has the opposite effect of driving them to nato. And has made the Ukranians hate the russians even more! His ambition of establishing a russian empire and at the same time prevent a democratic encirclement around russia has failed. He also thought wrong, that the west is weak and disintegrated. His backing down from his aggressive initial demands is sign that he realised he has goofed

Seriously... How the western Europeans "see" him would be nothing of his concern. Especially when he regards NATO's eastward expansion a threat to his country. And we must know the dynamics behind Eurasia -- western Europeans have always regarded their eastern neighbours as an inferior race. Their rivalry goes back to the Byzantine empire and Genghis Khan's Mongolian hordes.

Yes, negotiations to end the war is best. But Zelensky won't be giving in a lot, since he's in a position of strength now (practically all countries of the world are behind him) and russia has exposed itself to be a lame duck "super power". Putin himself won't be in power for too long. Because as long as he is President, russia remains a pariah suffering the full weight of global sanctions

Once again, i would take battle reports from western MSM with a pinch of salt. Bear in mind Ukrainians have no air cover despite Zelensky begging for it all over the world. Can they really win a war against Russians like that?

Negotiated ceasefire will be very very tricky because both sides have to look good. Let's not forget Macron will be having an election in May and Biden will have his mid terms in November. Both NATO and russia have to announce an "overwhelming victory" to their peoples . Hence i predict this pro/anti Putin bickering on sbf will go on for the next 10 years

 

[glockman]

This YouTube vid just dropped minutes ago. Retired US colonel basically saying everything that needs to be heard

OMG, you can't seriously be taking this guy seriously?! Trump almost appointed him the U.S. ambassador to Germany, but pulled the plug after he found out more about him.

He's a Putin apologist and a conspiracy theory peddler.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-appointees-russia-rhetoric-matters-rcna17957

 

[Rogue Trader]

OMG, you can't seriously be taking this guy seriously?! Trump almost appointed him the U.S. ambassador to Germany, but pulled the plug after he found out more about him.

He's a Putin apologist and a conspiracy theory peddler.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-appointees-russia-rhetoric-matters-rcna17957

MSNBC huh?

I believe you can judge a man by the enemies he has

 

[glockman]

Seriously... How the western Europeans "see" him would be nothing of his concern. Especially when he regards NATO's eastward expansion a threat to his country. And we must know the dynamics behind Eurasia -- western Europeans have always regarded their eastern neighbours as an inferior race. Their rivalry goes back to the Byzantine empire and Genghis Khan's Mongolian hordes.



Once again, i would take battle reports from western MSM with a pinch of salt. Bear in mind Ukrainians have no air cover despite Zelensky begging for it all over the world. Can they really win a war against Russians like that?

Negotiated ceasefire will be very very tricky because both sides have to look good. Let's not forget Macron will be having an election in May and Biden will have his mid terms in November. Both NATO and russia have to announce an "overwhelming victory" to their peoples . Hence i predict this pro/anti Putin bickering on sbf will go on for the next 10 years

In truth, I believe he is very concerned about the west. Not just military threat (which should be a non starter if he's not hawkish) but also the economic progress and wealth enjoyed by westerners. If he has a chip on his shoulder, it's of his own making (and imagination?). Being seen as inferior is a lousy feeling, but a well earned notion if all they do is think of past glories, how to recapture it, have a distrust of anyone who's not russian. Macham frog in a well. They need to integrate with the rest of the world lah.

I try to consume all MSM. Even RT and CCTV. But yeah, I am biased. I prefer free press, and am wary of state controlled media. Regarding this air cover thing, don't the ukrainians already have ample SAMs, stingers and an air force? Why the need to close the skies when cruise missiles, arty shells have been causing the most damage?

 

[LordElrond]

This YouTube vid just dropped minutes ago. Retired US colonel basically saying everything that needs to be heard

The most crazy thing about this war is the total distortion of truth… the fake news spreader calling the truth fake… the fake checkers being fake itself… the propagandist calling any news deviating from the “official line” as propaganda… to be honest I am starting to wonder if Hitler really killed any Jews

 

[glockman]

MSNBC huh?

I believe you can judge a man by the enemies he has

Don't knock it, it's good to have multiple sources.

In any case, he's just one former military contributor. And the only one who's pro-Putin. There are easily many more ex-military guys taking the opposite view.

 

[glockman]

The most crazy thing about this war is the total distortion of truth… the fake news spreader calling the truth fake… the fake checkers being fake itself… the propagandist calling any news deviating from the “official line” as propaganda… to be honest I am starting to wonder if Hitler really killed any Jews

9/11 was an inside job!!!

 

[LordElrond]

OMG, you can't seriously be taking this guy seriously?! Trump almost appointed him the U.S. ambassador to Germany, but pulled the plug after he found out more about him.

He's a Putin apologist and a conspiracy theory peddler.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-appointees-russia-rhetoric-matters-rcna17957

It is already becoming a joke that anyone who does not tow the official line is branded as a Russian apologist and conspiracy theorists. Tulsi Gabbard works for the US military… the whole American MSM is branding her as a Russian agent for a few factual statements she made. Sorry to burst your bubble, what is more scary than state controlled media is… media controlled state. Media works for someone… they have proven time and again they are not apologetic at all about the lies they spewed on WMD in Iraq, Saddam supporting Osama… God knows what story they can come up with. For goodness sake, these guys, CNN, Fox, BBC whatever - they have a solid track record of telling blatant lies

 

[zhihau]

9/11 was an inside job!!!

for all that matters, would Allied forces have won if the Russkies didn’t storm and plant the red banner on the Reichstag?

 

[glockman]

It is already becoming a joke that anyone who does not tow the official line is branded as a Russian apologist and conspiracy theorists. Tulsi Gabbard works for the US military… the whole American MSM is branding her as a Russian agent for a few factual statements she made. Sorry to burst your bubble, what is more scary than state controlled media is… media controlled state. Media works for someone… they have proven time and again they are not apologetic at all about the lies they on WMD in Iraq, Saddam supporting Osama… God knows what story they can come up with. For goodness sake, these guys, CNN, Fox, BBC whatever - they have a solid track record of telling blatant lies

All MSM will craft a story to suit their agenda. This is an imperfect world, humans are deceitful and self interested. Hence, like you mentioned in your earlier post, we have a tough job of sifting fake from truth.

One other thing, humans are very susceptible to confirmation bias. Hence, we will readily latch on to whatever news/info/event that suit our narrative. We just got to try to be smart to avoid this.

You're not bursting my bubble, it was already burst a long time ago.

Having said the above, I believe that russia is losing the war, the kremlin is starting to crumble around Putin and I am praying to the gods that someone will put a bullet in his head. Or he will off himself with his Makarov to save us all the hassle.

 

[glockman]

for all that matters, would Allied forces have won if the Russkies didn’t storm and plant the red banner on the Reichstag?

I dunno ah, I wasn't there! But at that stage of the war, the allies have won liao. I believe the US and Russkies divided the areas in germany where each would storm. Russkies got Berlin and US got some other place. I learned this by watching "Band of Brothers".

 

[Loofydralb]

No substance say no substance. You can't even decently defend yourself like a man, such an imbecile kuniang. How are you going to face your future generations? Where are your pride and dignity? Or do you even have these? Grow up your pubic hair first lah.

Quite sad to see you triggered. Get help. If you're trying your hand at insults, it's not working. Adults don't get affected with insults or get triggered easily.

 

[Loofydralb]

Makes zero sense to destroy Kiev. At the start of the "special operation " Putin already emphasised Ukrainian and Russian shared Slavic roots. Kiev is an ancient heritage site for Slavs. Putin still wants the support of Eastern Europeans after the war.

By the way, this war will end through negotiations. Not when one side is totally wiped out. World leaders have been talking a lot lately while the battle machines are on the ground rolling. At the end Zelensky (plus his backers) and Putin will have to agree to the final terms of ceasefire. Therefore Zelensky and his administration in Kiev must stay operational until the end

I hope Putin does not fall for it again. Ukrainians are known liars and Nazis. They've had 6 years to implement the Minsk Agreement but sat on their hands instead. Meanwhile the Nazi Azov Battalion was killing Russians daily.
Putin still hasn't learnt his lesson?

 

[zhihau]

I dunno ah, I wasn't there! But at that stage of the war, the allies have won liao. I believe the US and Russkies divided the areas in germany where each would storm. Russkies got Berlin and US got some other place. I learned this by watching "Band of Brothers".

Why the need for the Wehrmacht to sign the surrender documents twice? First with the Russkies then with the Allied forces?

 

[yinyang]

Bart van Leeuwen
19 March 2022

China Russia Disinformation Joint​

China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation.

 

[winners]

Quite sad to see you triggered. Get help. If you're trying your hand at insults, it's not working. Adults don't get affected with insults or get triggered easily.

Why are you even answering when you are not triggered? Because you are not even an adult as your pubic hair is still not fully grown yet.

 

[winners]

NATO will send troops to Ukraine under the guise of peacekeepers.




I hope this proposal will materialize instead of just hot air talks like the MIG29 fighter planes offered by Poland.

 

[rotiprata]

Bart van Leeuwen
19 March 2022

China Russia Disinformation​

who donated the bike to them..?

 

[eatshitndie]

over 2.5k russian soldiers’ bodies were dumped in morgues in belarus by russian forces between the kyiv and kharkiv frontlines. belarus hospitals and morgue operators have just blew the whistle. on top of the estimated killed and left behind in ukraine battlefields, the death toll on the russian side would have reached over 9.6k not counting southern frontline casualties.
https://sg.yahoo.com/news/more-2-500-russian-bodies-175136929.html

 

[glockman]

Why the need for the Wehrmacht to sign the surrender documents twice? First with the Russkies then with the Allied forces?

Before today, I did not know germany surrendered twice. So I searched. Stalin was not happy with the Allied May 7 surrender held in Reims, France. He wanted his own surrender for propaganda purposes and to be able to seize more territories. So there was another May 9 surrender in Berlin.