JB/SG Crimewatch

[Jetstream]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Sometimes it makes me wonder, if these burglars can break into a house of a retired OCPD (who probably knows how best to secure a house from burglars), what is there to stop them from gaining entry to any body else's house??

 

[FHBH12]

Re: JB Crimewatch

I'm just concerned why an ex-cop has a gun in his house. Can civilians own guns?

 

[whoami]

Re: JB Crimewatch

If caught, and proven guilty, those robbers should be sentenced to have their hands cut off! Extreme but good deterrent for would-be robbers.

 

[Walker]

Re: JB Crimewatch

No guns but we used to hide 10-20 parangs all over our houses from car pouch to all the rooms and furnitures around the house.

Wah you are ready to outfight them!

 

[summervale]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Review from a Malaysian in Kelantan. According to him, it seems like the state under Islamic rule not bad at all.

我来说说吉兰丹，以及她的政治气候其实正经论坛的网友早前有邀请我讨论和吉兰丹政局有关的帖子，我自己本身也非常想写一写有关吉兰丹VS回教党VS国阵的文章，奈何每一次要提笔的时候看到一些乌烟瘴气的讨论，心中的兴致骤然减了一半，所以就作罢了。

最近看到论坛内的网友似乎开始对这一个课题又恢复了兴趣，而且越谈越激烈，因此手痒在这里开了一个帖。

我先说说我自己的一些背景，以免一些人说我没有资格谈论吉兰丹，或者像一些只呆过两年多却好像已经住在吉兰丹二十年的人一样，胡乱吹水。

我1976年在哥打巴鲁出生，5岁的时候随着家人搬到瓜拉吉赖，幼稚园以及小学都在吉赖完成，后来中学想要更上一层楼，也想选择一个较多中文的环境成长，因此进入了哥打巴鲁的中华国中，年少时期一直都在哥打巴鲁度过。

18岁SPM之后，由于对新闻媒体工作特别感兴趣，因此当上了哥打巴鲁星洲日报的兼职记者，碰巧1995年是全国大选年，因此我处理的新闻都是政治新闻，当中还访问了马哈迪、安华、聂阿兹等政治人物，也激发了我对政治的思考。

后来，我到了吉隆坡工作，环境依然是媒体，只不过从报章变成广播，而且还是国营的广播电台，对于政府为何迟迟不让国营电台私营化有更进一步的了解，也知道国营电台在大选的时候扮演这么重要的角色（这是后话，以后有机会再谈），对政治，进一步了解。

再后来，我因为转换工作，必须常常到邻国公干，包括新加坡、印尼、泰国、台湾等，于是我又情不自禁地把吉兰丹和其他地方作比较，有了更进一步的发现。

现在，我每年新年一定会回去吉兰丹，家人和亲友依然在吉兰丹求学或做生意，我对吉兰丹的感情是没有其他事情可以取代的。

好，言归正传。

1995年大选的时候，或者之前，吉兰丹华人一直都被“愚弄着”。

原谅我用了这么不礼貌的字眼，因为我也是其中一位“愚者”。

那时候的我们，如斯单纯地相信报章上所写的一切，吉兰丹华人是如此害怕回教党（虽然回教党已经不是第一次执政），我们相信如报章所写的，回教党会“边缘”华人，或非回教徒；老一辈的人会呼吁大家大选一定要支持国阵，那么我们才可以开放。。。。。。。

甚至，当时的46精神党，因为和回教党合作，而被一些人妖魔化了。

我还记得有一些华团领袖因为支持46精神党，结果被说成“华人的叛徒”。

无论如何，回教党在当年的大选中依然大获全胜，于是我们开始担心。。。。。。。

但预料不到的是，不愉快的事情却没有发生。

这里我必须提一提，你们无法以外州人的角度或想法来作为评论的基础，我们应该探讨的是，吉兰丹人，或再直接一点，吉兰丹华人到底要什么？

最重要的一点，我们诉求平安，快乐。

这一点，回教党做到了。

然后，我们希望我们的基本人权没有受到干涉，这一点，回教党也做到了。

来到吉隆坡，很多人一听到我从吉兰丹来，就会问我一句：“你们那边没有猪肉吃的哦？”

那个每天卖猪肉给我妈妈的Uncle，还是每天开着他的小货车，在吉赖四处招摇，随时停下来卖猪肉。

哥打巴鲁最著名的“肉店”，呵呵，其地点就在人潮最旺的德士站隔壁，人来人往的，都是回教徒为多。（至少不必像一些地方，还必须以黑色玻璃遮住，哦，听说那是国阵执政的地点？）

我们不能喝酒？呵呵，我毕业之后回去，竟然还多了一些酒吧，一些茶餐室里的酒客还是在那里把酒聊天，还有哦！这一些执照都是州政府所发出的哦！

从某一些网友的论点看来，他认为吉兰丹没有发展，而他的论点就是，因为隔了很多年回去，那一路竟然还是一样，完全没有改变！

天啊！发展好不好是由这一点下定论的吗？

当你每天在吉隆坡，因为市政府为了迁就建快铁或修路而三不五时封路改道，塞车塞到妈妈声的时候，你觉得这就是发展吗？

我不是城市规划的专家，但我相信发展不一定就等于塞车或车道常常更改。

那么吉兰丹有没有发展？

外州的朋友有没有去过KB MALL？呵呵，五年前你怎么可能找到这么大间的购物广场啊？而且，在河边的Pelangi Mall也在如火如荼的建着，相信今年就能够完成了，这，不是发展是什么？

知道Renaissance酒店吗？也是在近几年才成立的，哦！对了，它楼下还有一间规模相当大的购物中心呢！那些说吉兰丹没有发展的人，你们看到了吗？

再放眼看看哥打巴鲁市中心，类似Secret Reciepe的著名连锁餐厅一间又一间地成立，若这是一个没有发展的土地，请问，谁要来投资啊！

先不谈数据，就以我们肉眼可以看见的情况，谁敢说吉兰丹没有发展啊？

好，有人说，吉兰丹被回教党执政之后，是一个穷州属。

呵呵，我就依据我自己所体会的事情和大家分享，接不接受，你自己选择。

去看看那一些著名连锁餐厅，我第一次回去用餐的时候，着实也吓了一跳，怎么和吉隆坡的消费一样啊！

那时候我心里想，这家餐厅应该无法维持太久吧！

怎么知道，今世近日，那里的人潮还是多得不得了！

后来我因为生意上的关系，开始把业务伸进自己的州属，终于让我了解了真正的原因。

在我公司的马来代理当中，生意做到最大，也最有资金的，竟然是吉兰丹的代理！！

我再深入了解，原来是有原因的。

吉兰丹的女人是出了名会做生意的，不信你到我们的大巴刹看看，和你讨价还价的都是女人为主！

再来，因为地理和交通不方便的原因（到目前为止还没有一条高速公路通往西马），所以吉兰丹人赚再多的钱，来来去去，都只是在登嘉楼和吉兰丹本地流转。如果这些有钱人每个周末都可以到吉隆坡Shopping，呵呵，情况可能又不一样了。

若你说吉兰丹人都很穷，呵呵，抱歉了，你没有全对。

谈完经济，我们说说政治。

有一点，我真的必须承认，媒体大致上都受了执政党的“控制”。

不信？只要是那么一点有关回教党所列下的条例，妨碍到人身自由的，马上大做文章，几乎可以占据整个星期的头条，但扪心自问，好事呢？一个小篇幅都看不到。

唉！这就是我们的新闻自由。

回教党对娱乐的条件很苛刻，没错！但请问，那又怎样？

夜店受到严厉控制，呵呵，至少我们还有夜店啊！不让你搞得太乱，犯罪问题自然下降，那不好吗？

吉隆坡和新山的夜店比比皆是，但真正受惠的有几个人？

吉隆坡有不少挂羊头卖狗肉的夜店，受惠的是默默在后头撑腰的“大人物”，而从中延伸出来的罪案问题，我这里不用多说了。

还有一个我不要否认的事实，你以为吉兰丹华人要寻找那种娱乐，真的找不到吗？不要忘记了吉兰丹的边境是什么地方？

所以，我的家乡的治安，一直都是让我放心的。

还有，回教党也许有很多限制，不过请搞清楚，那都是针对回教徒的，有机会到吉兰丹住一段日子，你以为非回教徒也受限制吗？我上面已经说过了，我国的媒体，就是爱把新闻炒得大大的，让大家觉得，回教党就是妖魔党，就像当年的我一样。

再说，巫统难道就不回教化？例子太多了，懒得重提。

好啦！回教党执政，华小有没有受到委屈？华文教育有没有不能发展？

答案是：没有！

我曾经提过一个案例，这里重提。

有一年我回去家乡，协助中华国中筹款，校长语重心长的说了一些事实，这一次筹款，多亏哥打巴鲁市议员的帮忙。那位市议员是谁？他是陈升顿，也就是已经进入回教的回教党议员。

长久以来，陈升顿一直在华教问题上伸出援手，反而是一些学校很担心，担心什么？呵呵，说来讽刺，就是担心我国那个最大的华人政党会不爽，反而会来搅局！结果导致一些援助甚至必须要偷偷摸摸的！

就只是针对这一点，我就认为，不管你的政党是以什么宗教作为背景，只要你是真正为国为民的，你就是一个好政党，比那些只会喊口号，整天博上报，煽动华人情绪的政党，好多了！

这所有所有，都让我在吉兰丹的政局上有了新的领悟；再看看我到外州后所谓执政党的“所作所为”，呵呵，我反而羡慕起那些还在吉兰丹生活的人们。

曾经有一个帖子问起，马来西亚还有那一片土地是可以“安居乐业”的，我毫无犹豫地回答：“吉兰丹”，这不是空谈，一直到今天为止，我还是期望自己有一天可 以回到吉兰丹发展，甚至，若我无法回去，而我有了孩子，我还是会送他回去吉兰丹求学，在马来西亚仅存的一个没有多大污染环境下成长的小孩，也许思绪会更加 清醒。
关于在吉兰丹的宗教 呵呵，写着写着，好像越来越多东西写了，哈哈！

有一点我觉得还蛮讽刺的，就是宗教问题。

很多不知情的人认为回教党就是要把整个吉兰丹给回教化，也许，我建议你到吉兰丹来游玩。

哪！尤其是佛教徒，到吉兰丹北部走一走吧！全东南亚最大的卧佛不在槟城，而是在道北；再给你猜一猜，全马来西亚最多佛庙的州属是哪里？

答案：吉兰丹

唯一一个又回教党执政的州属，竟然存在最多佛庙？事实的确是如此。

到Tumpat，Bachok那一带去，什么双龙寺啦！龙船寺啦！多到吓死你。哦！对了，忘了还有壮观宏伟的坐佛和站佛，都在吉兰丹。。。。。。至少在这里，我还没有看见像马六甲那种拆掉佛庙的行为。

吉兰丹道北是一个很特殊的地方，因为这里有很多移居来马来西亚的泰国人，虽然已经是吉兰丹人民，但他们还是维持着他们自己的生活习惯，这就包括了他们对宗 教，也就是佛教的热诚，吉兰丹政府没有去干涉他们的信仰，于是你可以看到佛庙神庙起了一间又一间，还得到吉兰丹华人的热烈支持。

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我現在才知道。。對回教黨有點改觀了

 

[Jetstream]

Re: JB Crimewatch

I know of a non-Malay/Muslim from Kulai who moved his business to Kelantan and has never looked back. Life is good, the people gracious, warm and unpretentious. I won't be surprised if crime is lower.

 

[whoami]

Re: JB Crimewatch

I know of a non-Malay/Muslim from Kulai who moved his business to Kelantan and has never looked back. Life is good, the people gracious, warm and unpretentious. I won't be surprised if crime is lower.

Kelantan is under PAS. Strict law tere. Would be robbers would tink twice being gung ho here...

 

[Jetstream]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Kelantan is under PAS. Strict law tere. Would be robbers would tink twice being gung ho here...

Contrary to what many people think, the criminal laws in Kelantan are no different from any other state in M'sia.

Yes, although the PAS government has been talking about introducing hudud laws for the longest time, it remains as just empty talk simply because there are legal obstacles to this, and that is, the federal Constitution. And PAS is unlikely to ever be able to amend the Constitution for hudud purposes as their PR partners will never allow it, and there is no way in hell they can take Putrajaya on their own steam.

 

[Walker]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Contrary to what many people think, the criminal laws in Kelantan are no different from any other state in M'sia.

Yes, although the PAS government has been talking about introducing hudud laws for the longest time, it remains as just empty talk simply because there are legal obstacles to this, and that is, the federal Constitution. And PAS is unlikely to ever be able to amend the Constitution for hudud purposes as their PR partners will never allow it, and there is no way in hell they can take Putrajaya on their own steam.

I think life in Kelantan is more laid back as it is more country side.
Life is more stress free and everyone knows everyone in the community.

One of the problems in the bigger cities is drugs.
Many of the crimes are by drug addicts and their need for money to feed their addiction. :(
Neither reason nor fear of punishments will deter them when they are drug crazed.
They will do whatever to get money for their drugs...rob, steal...kill
If MY can tackle the drug problem it should help reduce the crime

 

[RedsYNWA]

Re: JB Crimewatch

ITs impossible to find anyone living and growing up in JB who is not a victim of crime. The question to ask is:" How many times?"

Not true. My father-in-law is over 60 n he has not been robbed once. I have many Malaysian Chinese male and female friends who have not been robbed before too. That said, JB crime rates certainly have plenty of improvement, no doubt abt that.

 

[dare2]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Not true. My father-in-law is over 60 n he has not been robbed once. I have many Malaysian Chinese male and female friends who have not been robbed before too. That said, JB crime rates certainly have plenty of improvement, no doubt abt that.

Recently in Spore, an elderly man was charged for hurting a hooligan who hurt his son-in-law and also attacked his other family members........
Recently there has been a spate of fatal accidents in spore......Spore divers are probably a bunch of reckless individuals................................
Recently signs has been put up in Sunset landed residential area to warn and to ask for information on a spate of burglary in the area.....similarly I have seen such signs elsewhere in Spore also....
Recently there has been reports of molests on Public transport.....
Yes....Singapore is very safe one.....yes we would like to think so.....but........is not as squeaky clean....and safe.....

My point is not that Spore is a crime ridden country....my point is crime is everywhere......and how we perceive them.....we hear some people shout loud loud that JB is a crime city....and some who have not even gone over to JB also start to rant about crime in JB without know or seeing the true picture....

 

[FHBH12]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Recently in Spore, an elderly man was charged for hurting a hooligan who hurt his son-in-law and also attacked his other family members........
Recently there has been a spate of fatal accidents in spore......Spore divers are probably a bunch of reckless individuals................................
Recently signs has been put up in Sunset landed residential area to warn and to ask for information on a spate of burglary in the area.....similarly I have seen such signs elsewhere in Spore also....
Recently there has been reports of molests on Public transport.....
Yes....Singapore is very safe one.....yes we would like to think so.....but........is not as squeaky clean....and safe.....

My point is not that Spore is a crime ridden country....my point is crime is everywhere......and how we perceive them.....we hear some people shout loud loud that JB is a crime city....and some who have not even gone over to JB also start to rant about crime in JB without know or seeing the true picture....

What if the perception of crime rate in JB is low? Most of us will not be able to buy at the low price because the demand will be very high. But the perception of JB is changing, this year should be another year of bull run for JB property, I think it will be stronger than in 2012.

 

[Jetstream]

Re: JB Crimewatch

JB Councillor Car-jacked By Two Men After ‘Accident’ - Story | The Star Online

Saturday, Feb 16 2013
JOHOR Baru municipal councillor Leow Kam Choy was a victim of car-jacking after an “accident” at a flyover heading towards the Johor Baru Inner Ring Road.

At about 1.50pm on Thursday, a car driven by a woman hit his Toyota Camry, China Press reported.

As soon as he got out of his car, two men from another car approached him. One of them brandished a knife against his neck while the other man punched his face, causing him to feel dizzy.

The man with the knife then drove Leow's car away while the woman and the other man left the scene in her vehicle.

Leow lodged a police report at the Johor Baru central police station.

 

[dare2]

Re: JB Crimewatch

My father in law was robbed and slashed by 4 malay guys many years back in Tun aminah while riding a scooter to work. I seriously have no idea why he was a target as he looked poor and the scooter is not even S plated.

How many years is many, has he been slashed b4 that and after that? Have you been robbed? has any one else in your family been robbed?.....so what are you doing on the property forum for Msia? To help educate others not to buy Msia property? Do you own any property in Msia?....with your nick, I supposed you are an investor?....I think you don't make sense to me.....without concrete statistic and based on hearsay?...

 

[shctaw]

Re: JB Crimewatch

How many years is many, has he been slashed b4 that and after that? Have you been robbed? has any one else in your family been robbed?.....so what are you doing on the property forum for Msia? To help educate others not to buy Msia property? Do you own any property in Msia?....with your nick, I supposed you are an investor?....I think you don't make sense to me.....without concrete statistic and based on hearsay?...

A season player will not avoid Malaysia property just because of crime.
As long as there are money to make; there will be someone to take advantage of it.

Buying a property in Malaysia does not mean living in Malaysia. It is totally different.

 

[OracleMasia]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Robbery/thef/burglar is common in Malaysia. The worst is rape or murder.

If you does not retailiate with the robbers, you can usually fine. Safe from being seriously hurt or killed.

If you are a lady with decent looks, you can't really prevent rape. It is more dangerous for lady than man.

I heard a case where a lady was dragged into a bush at nite near Jusco tebrau and she was raped.

 

[OracleMasia]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Crime is not limited to JB. KL is also about the same.. If you compare with Singapore, JB crime rate is relatively higher.

But if you compare with Manila/Jakarata/China/India or even New York City in US, it is relatively a lot safer.

 

[dare2]

Re: JB Crimewatch

A season player will not avoid Malaysia property just because of crime.
As long as there are money to make; there will be someone to take advantage of it.

Buying a property in Malaysia does not mean living in Malaysia. It is totally different.

True, ...but a season investor also will not shoot himself in the foot by declaring his investment is crime prone.....a season investor also will not resort to spreading rumors or exaggeration but rely on fundamental if he is not vested but plan to invest.......so what are you saying?

 

[Jetstream]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Here's an excerpt from an article in today's Star which quoted a JB resident's take on crime in his area. The subject of article (http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/property-news/pasir-gudang-a-thriving-township/) is actually about how Pasir Gudang is thriving, although I couldn't help but read it with a slight pinch of salt as it appeared to be written with an electioneering slant, so you judge for yourself

Permas Jaya resident Danny Oi, 50, said he was also happy with the changes that have transpired in the area especially in the last couple of years.

“We have several new roads that have opened up in Permas Jaya which is very convenient for residents here.

“I have also noticed a significant improvement in police patrols and a reduction in the crime rate,” he said addiing that he was however still cautious about snatch thefts as he was once a victim himself.​

 

[dare2]

Re: JB Crimewatch

Hi may I know who is the one who is "spreading rumours or exaggerations" about crimes in Malaysia, esp in JB. Are you referring to Sin Chew Daily and Wanbao or New Straits Times where the rampant crimes are being reported on a daily basis?

Someone is right. A seasoned investor will not siam good investment and just because a place is infested with crimes does not literally mean the value will not go up.

Many young Malaysians I spoke to these days are sensitive to people saying Malaysia is a criminal infested place. Dangerous or not, they know best. During my first 10-15 years stay in Malaysia when I was a young kid, Malaysia is indeed safe. Seldom heard of "snatch theft" resulting in death during that time.

Wah...you actually believe what ST journalists write? Often I see some of them interview their own friends for a story one....They write what you want to read....and if you want to read, they get to sell more papers......how I know? Because I know some of them and some of their interviewees are also my friends....technically nothing wrong....it still come from somebody else's' mouth.....but....