Japan rejects apology demand from China

[GoFlyKiteNow]

Japan rejects China's demand for apology in boat row
AP, Sep 25, 2010, 06.47pm

BEIJING: Japan strongly rejected a Chinese demand on Saturday that it apologize for detaining a Chinese fishing boat captain whose arrest after a collision near disputed islands plunged relations between the two Asian powers to their lowest level in years.

Japanese authorities released the captain, Zhan Qixiong, early Saturday and he was flown home to Fuzhou in China's southeastern Fujian province.

But hopes that his release would defuse mounting tensions were dashed when China promptly demanded an apology and compensation from Japan.

"It is unlawful and invalid for Japan to detain, investigate or take any form of judicial measures against the Chinese fishermen and trawler," China's foreign ministry said in a statement. "The Japanese side must make an apology and compensation for this incident."

Japan's foreign ministry said the demands were groundless and "absolutely cannot be accepted."

The captain's detention and investigation were "an appropriate and calm response according to our nation's laws," it said in a statement.

The diplomatic back-and-forth Saturday demonstrated that nationalistic sentiments stirred up by the incident show few signs of dissipating. Tensions have already affected business ties between the nations' intertwined economies - the world's second- and third-largest.

Zhan was arrested on Sept. 8 after his boat collided with two Japanese patrol vessels near a chain of islands called Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan. The islands, about 120 miles (190 kilometers) east of Taiwan, are controlled by Japan but are also claimed by Taiwan and China.

Japanese prosecutors detained and questioned the captain while they decided whether to press charges, though his 14-member crew and boat were returned to China.

 

[Ramseth]

一言一用，千言无用。

开战！还谈什么？日本人又不是不懂汉字。


中华民族，站起来吧！

 

[Watchman]

Chinese Fishing Boat Captain Released By Japanese, Reactions
16 commentsby Fauna on Saturday, September 25, 2010


From NetEase:
Chinese fishing boat captain returns to the country 17 days after being captured and arrested by the Japanese

September 25 morning, Zhan Qixiong, the fishing boat captain that was illegally arrested by the Japanese in the waters around Diaoyu Island, returned to Fuzhou aboard a flight chartered by the Chinese government. Zhan Qixiong emotionally said, “To be able to safely return, I really thank the Party, the government, and the people of my country for their concern for me.”

September 25th, Zhan Qixiong boards the Chinese government chartered plan to return to Fuzhou, China, making a “victory” sign in front of the cabin door.That morning, 17 days after being captured and arrested by the Japanese in the waters around Diaoyu Islands, the Chinese fishing boat captaign Zhan Qixiong traveled by Chinese government chartered plane safely back to Fuzhou.

September 25th, 1:12am, escorted by a joint task-force organized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Department of Agriculture, Chinese fishing boat captain Zhan Qixiong boards a Chinese government chartered airplane to return to the country. Zhan Qixiong emotionally said, “To be able to safely return, I really thank the Party, the government, and the people of my country for their concern for me.”

September 25th, 4am, the Chinese fishing boat captain Zhan Qixiong (front) steps off the Chinese government chartered plane, safely returning to Fuzhou. Zhan Qixiong said, “The Japanese capturing and arresting me is illegal. Diaoyu Islands is Chinese territory, I strongly support the government’s position.”

September 25th, Zhan Qixiong (front right) reunited with his wife and son who came to welcome him back. At 4am that day, the Chinese fishing boat captain Zhan Qixiong who was captured and arrested by the Japanese safely returned to Fuzhou on a Chinese government chartered plane. After the cabin door was opened, Zhan Qixiong quickly got ff the plane and tightly embraced his relatives who were waiting at the airport holding flowers. He returned with a task force comprised of Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Department of Agriculture, and other relevant department staff.

September 25th, Zhan Qixiong (left) shaking hands with staff waiting at the airport. That day, Assistant Minister of Foreign Affairs Hu Zhengyue and Fujian Vice Governor Hong Jiexu waited at the airport to receive/welcome back.

September 25th, Zhan Qixiong (front right) leaves the chartered plane accompanied by his wife, son, and relevant staff. Japan’s Okinawa Naha district prosecutor’s office decided on the 24th to release and return while the right to still prosecute the captured and arrested Chinese fishing boat captain Zhan Qixiong. While responding to reporters’ questions on the 24th, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Jiang Yu reiterated that any so-called legal proceedings carried out by the Japanese against the Chinese fishing boat captain are illegal and invalid.

 

[longbow]

But they did release captain under Chinese pressure. Bloomberg/Reuters all carrying article about severe economic impact on Jap economy if Japs did not bow. And bow they did.

The crux of the matter is that captain was arrested by Japanese for fishing in disputed territory. By releasing the captain does it mean they agree that these waters belong to China/Taiwan?

It was a game of chess and Beijing knew that Japan needed China more than China needed japan. China is Japan's largest exporter not USA. Also, given the weak US economy, wars, they have no interest in confronting China over what is a regional matter. And escalation could push the US into a double dip.

Then there is this rare earth matter. Never knew this but China controls 95% of essential ingredients that is in all electronic products. Talk about caught by the balls. as we know everything is electronics. Even the modern cars has more cost in its electronics then the cost of the engine.

Beijing is just rubbing Japan's nose in the sand. I do not expect Beijing to continue pushing for an apology since they have already made their point.

All this goes to show the economic strength of Chinese economy in the region.

Think about it this way - a 3 yar embargo on Japanese products could very well mean that Japan loses the whole rapidly Chinese market. GM, VW, Philips Hyundai and local brands would be more than happy to keep the Japs out for 3 years so that they can build market share.

 

[longbow]

Wah is that a Gulfstream that Beijing send to fly him home.

Cost of the charter probably more that what he makes in 10 years.

 

[Ramseth]

一言一用，千言无用。

开战！还谈什么？日本人又不是不懂汉字。


中华民族，站起来吧!


日本人達様で、解りましたか。

先ず、誤りします。又は、開戦！

 

[Watchman]

I am thinking that China now being more aware have watch too much hollywood reels .

Bringing back the last soldier it's like a politician 's dream come true .

 

[TommyKoo]

Wah is that a Gulfstream that Beijing send to fly him home.

Cost of the charter probably more that what he makes in 10 years.

For whose benefit ?. Not for the captain, I am sure.
More to save face for the communist leaders.

Just look at the way coal miners die by the hundreds in China
in government coal mines every year under tragic conditions.
Due to safety violations and neglect.
Nobody cares a hoot for them.

 

[silliporean]

Did your Gahment gave a damn when your jobs are taken away by FTs?

No gahment will give two fucks about the peasants, its just a fight between two countries and the people - The Japanese Navy and the Chinese fishermen are just caught in the cross fire..

Give it a couple of months, nobody will talk about the Islands again or does anyone gives 3 fucks about those fishermen...its just politics, I have seen this being played for decades..

 

[Ah Guan]

Nah beh chee bye!

Say sorry now!

 

[cheowyonglee]

This time round, the Communist Chinese government really did a great job in making us all over the world Chinese proud.We were once bullied by the Japs, now we have our revenge back.

Great job and well done to the Chinese government!!!

 

[cheowyonglee]

The Japs rejects apology demand from China???Nabeh...we really need IP man to show them how to apology to us Chinese!!!

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[cheowyonglee]

Never look down on the Chinese!!! Or else... this is what war will be like...

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[Sideswipe]

This time round, the Communist Chinese government really did a great job in making us all over the world Chinese proud.We were once bullied by the Japs, now we have our revenge back.

China and Japan govt are "friends", don't forget CCP ascension to power was a derivative to Japan's invasion in 1937-45.
anyway facts are facts. imo Japan possess a stronger legitimate claim to Diaoyutai than ROC/PROC.

 

[cheowyonglee]

:oIo: :oIo: :oIo:

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[longbow]

These claims are better settled in court. Japan once controlled and ran Taiwan. India was pretty much pieced together by the Brits. The whole Middle East and Africa was divided by the ruling powers of that time.

So it all depends on how the claim is judged. Facts can be misleading - depends on criteria used. Rise of CCP also had much to do with the KMT corruption at the time and how the country was again divided in various fiefdom by the Wester powers. Communism only works in countries where the income disparity is obscence and nothing is done for the poor. The Naxalite movement in India reflects this point.

This current tiff merely reinforces China's claim on those islands. It is telling the Japs we mean business on those islands and look at what we can bring to bear. You can be sure that all the major Japanese corporates from Toyota, Sony, Mitsubishi, Japanese banking houses, insurance companies are calling their political friends in Tokyo to back off. If I were the CEOs, I cannot be bothered who owns some island - I want and need to be in the Chinese market.

Unlike Singapore or Malaysia or Thailand - China offers the market. These companies cannot be a global player if they lose this market. As it is, Chinese vehicle sales are greater than in the US!!! GM is selling as many cars in China as in the US. China knows this and is playing hardball.

Looking forward, China will open up its pension, insurance industry. It wants to set up a safety net for its population. All the US insurance companies and investment houses are salivating at the prospects of managing a quantum of $ equal to that of the US. Just add up the political lobbying power of US financial industry.

China and Japan govt are "friends", don't forget CCP ascension to power was a derivative to Japan's invasion in 1937-45.
anyway facts are facts. imo Japan possess a stronger legitimate claim to Diaoyutai than ROC/PROC.

 

[Ramseth]

Do you realize who's the guy Bruce Lee was beating up? Jackie Chan!

Super Japanophile. Sponsored endorser for Mitsubishi, Hitachi etc. That's why he's never given roles like Huo Yuanjia, Chen Zhen, Ye Wen (Ip Man) etc. He wouldn't even take it if offered. He'd offend his Japanese bosses.

 

[Sideswipe]

These claims are better settled in court. Japan once controlled and ran Taiwan. India was pretty much pieced together by the Brits. The whole Middle East and Africa was divided by the ruling powers of that time.

So it all depends on how the claim is judged. Facts can be misleading - depends on criteria used. Rise of CCP also had much to do with the KMT corruption at the time and how the country was again divided in various fiefdom by the Wester powers.

Diaoyutai got nothing to do with Taiwan, 1st Sino-Japanese war and treaty of Shimonoseki.
China first discovered the islands but it was Japan who first exerted sovereignty over the islands. ROC claims was in 1950s, PROC in 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands.

CCP victory in China (1949) due to KMT corruption/incompetency of KMT armies was half the truth. The main reason why KMT lost China was because Russian/Comintern agents colluded with Americans inside US state department ( who supported "China containment policy" ) to plot the rise of CCP and KMT defeat from 1940s.

Yalta conference & Marshall dupe mission to China ( KMT armies demilitarization & arms embargo ) coupled with continuous Soviet weapons supplied to CCP from 1945-49 caused the quick defeat of nationalists in China.
Albert Wedemeyer always stated that United States owed China for the loss to the communists.

 

[cheowyonglee]

Diaoyutai got nothing to do with Taiwan, 1st Sino-Japanese war and treaty of Shimonoseki.
China first discovered the islands but it was Japan who first exerted sovereignty over the islands. ROC claims was in 1950s, PROC in 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands.

CCP victory in China (1949) due to KMT corruption/incompetency of KMT armies was half the truth. The main reason why KMT lost China was because Russian/Comintern agents colluded with Americans inside US state department ( who supported "China containment policy" ) to plot the rise of CCP and KMT defeat from 1940s.

Yalta conference & Marshall dupe mission to China ( KMT armies demilitarization & arms embargo ) coupled with continuous Soviet weapons supplied to CCP from 1945-49 caused the quick defeat of nationalists in China.
Albert Wedemeyer always stated that United States owed China for the loss to the communists.

Hi bro, i totally agree with what you said.Well, although i am happy that Communsit China had make the Japs bow to us Chinese, but i still worried that if Communist still continue to rule China, it will only bring more corruption than a strong China in the future.
Look at it this way, the reason why Japan and US are bowing to China now is not because they are afraid of Communist ruled China.But because of the big cake they are eyeing on.
Get it folks???China corruption is very very deep into her heart.Alot of corrupted officials are taking bride.
Their technology are still not up to the Japanese standard yet.The Communist ruled China can't even produce the same quality electronics goods as Japan.Japan still have the upper hand in terms of 'innovative brain'!

U.S have more of course.And don't forget this folks, Communist ruled China still have alot of things to copy from the U.S and the western countries.
Communist ruled China just can't produce their own great innovators.

What Communist China now have in their hand is just human population and their large amount of natural resources to support the world economic and because China workers are cheap, Japan, US... alot alot of the western countries and Taiwan are setting up production factories in China and the produced goods sell at a price enough to give them a large profits.
cheap labour cost is what these western countries and Japan want in China.

Well, China is strong now and that make us proud.Like Japan releasing the captain is one example.But, if one is to think that China is really strong.., try to imagine China now is like a wealthy man but with no skill of anykind, all his friends around him want to have him to share his wealth to them, so they treat him very good, bow to him and dare not anger him.
But deep down in their heart, they are laughing at him and also, thinking of way to bring him down.Because he is lacking of skill, he eventually will be brought down by those around him.It's only a matter of time before Communist China will be weaken again when their cheap labour no more cheap, their natural resources no more enough and their innovations really cannot keep up to those western countries and Japan.

China can only be strong if they don't rely on others to produce the goods they really need.She will not sent her sons and daughters to the U.S or Japan to learn and copy from them.A strong China will not have so many corrupted officials.She will have her own companys like those of the US and Japan.Until then, i think what we see now is just a big China with a big population to support the foriegn companies and with some technology break through but not enough quality to fight with the Japs and U.S!!!

Japanese are much more united than Communist ruled China.Their human brains are top quality and i suspect the Japanese won't let the matter rest.They will revenge surely, but how and when...,i think only gods know!!!

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[Kid278]

This time round, the Communist Chinese government really did a great job in making us all over the world Chinese proud.We were once bullied by the Japs, now we have our revenge back.

Great job and well done to the Chinese government!!!

You talk about vengeance, no amount of it will ever be enough. It's either to forgive or to forget.