Is Singapore Opposition Talented ???

[chinkangkor]

Then be a private activist. Give the SDP to real people who can gather support and win elections. Do not say that the PAP is to blame for every opposition failure. SDP is the ONLY party to have the largest fall in the number of votes, to lose three good seats in parliament every since this IV drip hunger strike Dr. took over.

For more than 40 years, PAP has relentlessly pummelled the oppositions using legal means illegally, to the extent that the oppositions are about to go extinct. The huge number of uncontested seats is a result of LKY's brutality against his political opponents and opposition parties.

Election results are a poor guide to judge SDP as PAP is notorious for manipulating the electoral process: gerrymandering, threats against voters, lies and slanted articles in the 154th to character assasinate political opponents, withholding of tax payers money for HDB upgrading from opposition wards etc.

 

[chinkangkor]

Sorry to say this, but Dr. Chee's has been more effective empowering the government and the police than the people.

The govt has all the power levels under its control for more than 40 years. The police has all the power it needs to carry out its duties. It is the people that need empowering, which is what the SDP is trying to do.

 

[Alu862]

The govt has all the power levels under its control for more than 40 years. The police has all the power it needs to carry out its duties. It is the people that need empowering, which is what the SDP is trying to do.

Good to empower but if there is no lead, things can shatter. Democracy is NOT always related to good development.

 

[chinkangkor]

Good to empower but if there is no lead, things can shatter. Democracy is NOT always related to good development.

Good development will utimately lead to democracy.

 

[Alu862]

Good development will utimately lead to democracy.

Democracy is not the best rule al the time.

 

[chinkangkor]

Democracy is not the best rule al the time.

I agree. Democracy can malfunction at times.

 

[Alu862]

Good. So protests is all well and fine, but the aftermath is the questionable part. If the leader who replaces the so called authoritarian figure is weak, the the country is worse off. Even though the leader was chosen by the people, per basic democratic principles. The leaders of political parties are trust to have policies ready to attract votes and follow them through. NO political party in SG has served the people that way. All parties in Singapore have failed the people.

 

[chinkangkor]

Good. So protests is all well and fine, but the aftermath is the questionable part. If the leader who replaces the so called authoritarian figure is weak, the the country is worse off. Even though the leader was chosen by the people, per basic democratic principles. The leaders of political parties are trust to have policies ready to attract votes and follow them through. NO political party in SG has served the people that way. All parties in Singapore have failed the people.

Don't worry, PAP has engineered the electoral system in such a way that PAP will always win. Even if a freak election resulted, LKY will order the SAF to move in.

 

[rodent2005]

Maybe CSJ will lead us to the Land of Paradise with his monkey policies.

Well, Cannon Sun led China to become a republic with his monkey policies.

And oh, who was that crown who tried to challenge the Pharoah of Egypt with his magic tricks?

And I suppose you think angering Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and China, and losing billions in overseas investments are the results of great policies. If these are, then give me monkey policies anytime!

 

[kakowi]

... If the leader who replaces the so called authoritarian figure is weak, the the country is worse off....

You are assuming that the ruling party PAP is the government ie the public sector.

The two are different.

Thus in the event that the opposition parties get into power, all that will happen is that the ministers, minister of states changes hands. The operational force, namely the permanent secretaries, deputy secretaries, heads of departments remains.

Thus there will not be a collapse of the government.

What will happen is a change in strategic direction. Maybe more concern about the poor, a review of singapore's investments direction, an audit of the treasury.

But new governments do not make drastic changes. People who are radical before when they come into power strangely enough become conservative initially as they come to grips with the power and responsibility.

So to say that the ensuing government will be a weak one is an assumption. It may or may not come true. IF the new government does not disturb the public sector, until they work out their strategy, this time based on full data and expertise from the public sector, then life will still go on.



Now you must take the reverse position: Singapore in its present path, if uninterrupted, will it lead to a collapse for the middle class? No change in government, continued investment policy, continued taxation strategies, continued manner of treating singaporeans - where will it lead us? To triumph? To collapse? To ?

 

[Alu862]

You are assuming that the ruling party PAP is the government ie the public sector.

The two are different.

Thus in the event that the opposition parties get into power, all that will happen is that the ministers, minister of states changes hands. The operational force, namely the permanent secretaries, deputy secretaries, heads of departments remains.

Thus there will not be a collapse of the government.

What will happen is a change in strategic direction. Maybe more concern about the poor, a review of singapore's investments direction, an audit of the treasury.

But new governments do not make drastic changes. People who are radical before when they come into power strangely enough become conservative initially as they come to grips with the power and responsibility.

So to say that the ensuing government will be a weak one is an assumption. It may or may not come true. IF the new government does not disturb the public sector, until they work out their strategy, this time based on full data and expertise from the public sector, then life will still go on.



Now you must take the reverse position: Singapore in its present path, if uninterrupted, will it lead to a collapse for the middle class? No change in government, continued investment policy, continued taxation strategies, continued manner of treating singaporeans - where will it lead us? To triumph? To collapse? To ?

Chee's work shows that he wants to overthrow the system. But he hasn't a clue on how to lead after that. No one so far has shown any alternative policy.

 

[cleareyes]

Hi everyone,

Do you think our Opposition are Talented ? Some alway like to any how say and got sue.

What are your view ???

Please share... Thanks

there are lots of talent within the oppositon in singapore.

talent in clowning around, getting sued, going to geylang to look for trannies, fucking someone's wife, cooking up unproven gossips and making idots of themselves to turn away potential voters

we sure have lots of talents in the opposition alright.

 

[cleareyes]

Chee's work shows that he wants to overthrow the system. But he hasn't a clue on how to lead after that. No one so far has shown any alternative policy.

singapore has a population of 4.8 million

chee could at most master 50 supporters, excluding onlookers and police eacorts which would add up to say....100+

so u do the math.

 

[cleareyes]

The govt has all the power levels under its control for more than 40 years. The police has all the power it needs to carry out its duties. It is the people that need empowering, which is what the SDP is trying to do.

what ramseth is trying to say is that chee and his actions give the govt and police a chance to show what they can do.

the trick is how not to allow the govt and police that space to flex their muscles and yet get ur objective across.

that is something chee could not do.

 

[chinkangkor]

what ramseth is trying to say is that chee and his actions give the govt and police a chance to show what they can do.

the trick is how not to allow the govt and police that space to flex their muscles and yet get ur objective across.

that is something chee could not do.

Chee's purpose is to gather international support for his cause. Without the govt and police flexing their muscles on him and his activists, there will be no way to garner support. The publicity generated creates a lot of awareness for civil and political rights.

 

[cleareyes]

Chee's purpose is to gather international support for his cause. Without the govt and police flexing their muscles on him and his activists, there will be no way to garner support. The publicity generated creates a lot of awareness for civil and political rights.

i dun see chee getting any support at all, do u?

 

[Ramseth]

What Dr. Chee is trying to do is something like the PAD in Thailand. Except that he doesn't have the numbers. You will notice that Dr. Chee and his SDP are quite disinterested in Thailand, but hyperactive and jumpy about Myanmar. Myanmar and Thailand are centuries-old arch enemies.

Pragmatic as I am, so I can't help but think that someone backing Myanmese democratic movement is backing Dr. Chee and his SDP, whereas no-one backing Thai democratic movement is backing Dr. Chee and his SDP.

 

[chinkangkor]

i dun see chee getting any support at all, do u?

It doesn't matter whether Chee has large number of supporters at this stage. It is the messages Chee is sending out to the world and to S'poreans that is important. Chee is not 80 years old.

 

[chinkangkor]

What Dr. Chee is trying to do is something like the PAD in Thailand. Except that he doesn't have the numbers. You will notice that Dr. Chee and his SDP are quite disinterested in Thailand, but hyperactive and jumpy about Myanmar. Myanmar and Thailand are centuries-old arch enemies.

Pragmatic as I am, so I can't help but think that someone backing Myanmese democratic movement is backing Dr. Chee and his SDP, whereas no-one backing Thai democratic movement is backing Dr. Chee and his SDP.

It might be George Soros or other various pro-democracy NGOs. If there is foreign funding, why PAP isn't revealing it? Maybe there is none?

 

[cleareyes]

It doesn't matter whether Chee has large number of supporters at this stage. It is the messages Chee is sending out to the world and to S'poreans that is important. Chee is not 80 years old.

if no one is interested in what u say, no matter how good or strong merits ur msg has, as long as no one cares, u dun get the numbers and hence that msg is as good as not said.

lets be honest abt this, chee could never get his msg across if no one is listening, so it makes no difference.