Is LHL Serious about Re-taking Aljunied GRC?

[sleaguepunter]

r u sure abt this?

pap bosses cannot suka suka parachute candidates, they too need support from the area branch chairmen. desmond choo also introduce few month b4 GE to let local party bosses to know him. As a candidate, desmond choo much more hardworking than eric the low class low. desmond went knocking every doors every nites in hougang even b4 pap announce him as the new candidate. He may sound stupid at the election rally but he rather humble during those door to door visits. And his door to door visit as different from what pap normally did, instead of the big wayang by large number rc lackeys, desmond have only 3-4 person with him and he himself will knock on the resident doors.

so in aljunied, while pap no need to announce all five pap candidates, pap will still need to let residents know at least 2-3 candidates in order for the residents to know about them. these pap/pa grassroot "advisers" also conduct "MPS" for needy residents in order to curry for votes. those old school pap bigwigs maybe way off touch with the ground but the same cannot be say for the younger lot. The young mr horse of tampines is a good example of pap mp who know what happen at the ground, while he still toe the party line but he extremely popular with the residents.

never never write off pap and wp better conduct more out reach programs at sengkang and punggol as pasir ris-punggol grc confirm will be breakup due to big increase in population in punggol. TCH most like will hold on pasir-ris and part of newer punggol while the older sengkang and hougang/buangkok estate should be form into a new grc.

 

[brocoli]

pap bosses cannot suka suka parachute candidates, they too need support from the area branch chairmen. desmond choo also introduce few month b4 GE to let local party bosses to know him. As a candidate, desmond choo much more hardworking than eric the low class low. desmond went knocking every doors every nites in hougang even b4 pap announce him as the new candidate. He may sound stupid at the election rally but he rather humble during those door to door visits. And his door to door visit as different from what pap normally did, instead of the big wayang by large number rc lackeys, desmond have only 3-4 person with him and he himself will knock on the resident doors.

so in aljunied, while pap no need to announce all five pap candidates, pap will still need to let residents know at least 2-3 candidates in order for the residents to know about them. these pap/pa grassroot "advisers" also conduct "MPS" for needy residents in order to curry for votes. those old school pap bigwigs maybe way off touch with the ground but the same cannot be say for the younger lot. The young mr horse of tampines is a good example of pap mp who know what happen at the ground, while he still toe the party line but he extremely popular with the residents.

never never write off pap and wp better conduct more out reach programs at sengkang and punggol as pasir ris-punggol grc confirm will be breakup due to big increase in population in punggol. TCH most like will hold on pasir-ris and part of newer punggol while the older sengkang and hougang/buangkok estate should be form into a new grc.

TracyTan866, this is an example of an insightful post.... not the self wanking self congratulatory posts you been posting .....celebrating the demise of PAP way in advance

 

[TracyTan866]

pap bosses cannot suka suka parachute candidates, they too need support from the area branch chairmen. desmond choo also introduce few month b4 GE to let local party bosses to know him.
never never write off pap and wp better conduct more out reach programs at sengkang and punggol as pasir ris-punggol grc confirm will be breakup due to big increase in population in punggol. TCH most like will hold on pasir-ris and part of newer punggol while the older sengkang and hougang/buangkok estate should be form into a new grc.

Insightful post. Thanks

 

[TracyTan866]

TracyTan866, this is an example of an insightful post.... not the self wanking self congratulatory posts you been posting .....celebrating the demise of PAP way in advance

Relax...u r too emotional. I am not celebrating the demise of pap..but I agree that its demise will come..just a matter of when..look at some of the facts:

1. The pap has betrayed Singaporeans in favour of foreigners. No govt can survive such betrayal
2. The pap has mismanaged housing, transport, healthcare, etc
3. The pap has treated Singaporeans with contempt..calling them names, openly defying the people by saying they are deaf to their valid criticisms, etc
4. The pap has thrown transparency, accountability, to the wind eg YOG's budget, ministers' poor performance
5. The pap has bent the rule of law to favour its running dogs eg TPL's case, Jason Neo's case

Singaporeans are angry..so cant you see that pap's demise is imminent?

Likewise, cant you see that LKY's death is imminent too?

When I mentioned abt LKY's death or PAP's fall from power, I was stating the obvious based on facts...I was not in celebratory mood.

So grow up and know the difference.

 

[brocoli]

Relax...u r too emotional. I am not celebrating the demise of pap..but I agree that its demise will come..just a matter of when..look at some of the facts:

1. The pap has betrayed Singaporeans in favour of foreigners. No govt can survive such betrayal
2. The pap has mismanaged housing, transport, healthcare, etc
3. The pap has treated Singaporeans with contempt..calling them names, openly defying the people by saying they are deaf to their valid criticisms, etc
4. The pap has thrown transparency, accountability, to the wind eg YOG's budget, ministers' poor performance
5. The pap has bent the rule of law to favour its running dogs eg TPL's case, Jason Neo's case

Singaporeans are angry..so cant you see that pap's demise is imminent?

Likewise, cant you see that LKY's death is imminent too?

When I mentioned abt LKY's death or PAP's fall from power, I was stating the obvious based on facts...I was not in celebratory mood.

So grow up and know the difference.

you are from RP right?

 

[Fook Seng]

Tracy is right about one thing and that is the general deterioration of PAP's popularity as amply demonstrated at the last GE and this is something that even the PM himself had recognized to his own surprise rather late in the game. That surprise was also why some took the grassroots to task for not providing accurate feedback. And this trend will only get worse for PAP due to changing demographics and the proliferation of new media, something they did not have to contest so much with in the past. One thing that does not bode well for the ruling party is that even though the PM himself feels the change but I don't think he has managed to convince his party members that there is a problem. You can just observe the way his MPs in Parliament and his grassroot supporters on the ground including those on the new media respond to criticism and to the way they look at the opposition. Nothing much has changed. Complacency is the word. If you can't see the problem, how can you solve it? The local problems that PAP here and there only determine where the earlier tipping points are but the general trend is all there, whether it against WP or others. WP broke through first because they generally better performance and closer to the middle which is where the bulk of the electorate is. I see that once the ruling party's general popularity tumbles to something like 54 to 55%, the lost seats will increase dramatically and losing two-third majority is a real possibility.

 

[brocoli]

Tracy is right about one thing and that is the general deterioration of PAP's popularity as amply demonstrated at the last GE and this is something that even the PM himself had recognized to his own surprise rather late in the game. That surprise was also why some took the grassroots to task for not providing accurate feedback. And this trend will only get worse for PAP due to changing demographics and the proliferation of new media, something they did not have to contest so much with in the past. One thing that does not bode well for the ruling party is that even though the PM himself feels the change but I don't think he has managed to convince his party members that there is a problem. You can just observe the way his MPs in Parliament and his grassroot supporters on the ground including those on the new media respond to criticism and to the way they look at the opposition. Nothing much has changed. Complacency is the word. If you can't see the problem, how can you solve it? The local problems that PAP here and there only determine where the earlier tipping points are but the general trend is all there, whether it against WP or others. WP broke through first because they generally better performance and closer to the middle which is where the bulk of the electorate is. I see that once the ruling party's general popularity tumbles to something like 54 to 55%, the lost seats will increase dramatically and losing two-third majority is a real possibility.

yes but that doesnt mean that the PAP is goin to fall like a pack of cards that she envisioned.... we should be quiet and lull the PAP into complancy, not popping champagne now like she suggest...

my greatest worry is that WP is still not ready to step in were PAP to fall spectacularly....

is there any1 in WP who is of ministerial material ??? CSM, maybe Sylvia, Yee Jenn Jong ...

is there any1 in WP who are policy wonks ??? maybe Gerald and Pritam but I feel they are not quite polished yet..... still full of idealism

Yaw is an incredibly hardworking man and I am not sure if is fair to use him as a proxy for Png, Choon Yong, Lilian, and Glenda.... these are the core of the next gen leadership ...

most of them are more community activist/organisers rather than policy wonks.... WP need more of those from academia and elite background if they wan to be the next govt....

 

[TracyTan866]

yes but that doesnt mean that the PAP is goin to fall like a pack of cards that she envisioned.... we should be quiet and lull the PAP into complancy, not popping champagne now like she suggest...

my greatest worry is that WP is still not ready to step in were PAP to fall spectacularly....

is there any1 in WP who is of ministerial material ??? CSM, maybe Sylvia, Yee Jenn Jong ...

is there any1 in WP who are policy wonks ??? maybe Gerald and Pritam but I feel they are not quite polished yet..... still full of idealism

Yaw is an incredibly hardworking man and I am not sure if is fair to use him as a proxy for Png, Choon Yong, Lilian, and Glenda.... these are the core of the next gen leadership ...

most of them are more community activist/organisers rather than policy wonks.... WP need more of those from academia and elite background if they wan to be the next govt....

I disagree with you.

What do Singaporeans know abt the pap in 1965? Did they know who was LKY? who was GKS, TCH, EWB, OPB, ? they were no bodies. Yet Singaporeans in in their trust voted the pap in 1965 and we had the best team so far. The present pap team, despite the hype, pales in comparison. What we are now is the result of the first pap team. in fact we are in decline under the present pap leadership.

You dont think LTK, SL, CSM, YSL, AO, GEK, etc are comparable to LHL, MBT, MKS, RL? can the WP be worse than the pap clowns?

I have faith in the Opposition ...Singaporeans dont know their depth because the MSM dont publicise the Opposition. But the Oppostion has moral standard and character...which the pap lacks. So I rather give my vote to the Opposition.

Also, we have a strong Civil Service. They run Singapore. So be assured that we will be in good hands.

Why do singaporeans trust TCJ, OYK rather than CSM, SL? Because they have been brainwashed by the pap and SG medis to believe that PAP candidates can be trusted...but look at MBT, RL, WKS, TPL, Steve Tan and FMH...all talk and form but no substance and no compassion and no moral standard.

So let's dont just read the Straits times and trust them to give us the gospel truth. Let's open our minds and explore for the good of Singapore.

Dont let the pap and SG media demonise the Opposition.

We have seen the moral decline of the pap and we must check them or else SG will continue to decline morally and socially

A

 

[TracyTan866]

Tracy is right about one thing and that is the general deterioration of PAP's popularity as amply demonstrated at the last GE and this is something that even the PM himself had recognized to his own surprise rather late in the game. That surprise was also why some took the grassroots to task for not providing accurate feedback. And this trend will only get worse for PAP due to changing demographics and the proliferation of new media, something they did not have to contest so much with in the past. One thing that does not bode well for the ruling party is that even though the PM himself feels the change but I don't think he has managed to convince his party members that there is a problem. You can just observe the way his MPs in Parliament and his grassroot supporters on the ground including those on the new media respond to criticism and to the way they look at the opposition. Nothing much has changed. Complacency is the word. If you can't see the problem, how can you solve it? The local problems that PAP here and there only determine where the earlier tipping points are but the general trend is all there, whether it against WP or others. WP broke through first because they generally better performance and closer to the middle which is where the bulk of the electorate is. I see that once the ruling party's general popularity tumbles to something like 54 to 55%, the lost seats will increase dramatically and losing two-third majority is a real possibility.

The pap MPs are just running dogs..the pap is in deep decline and SG will suffer for the next 10 yrs because of pap's present rule...the next govt is gg to inherit the problems of the present govt...the social problems created by the liberal influx of cheap migrants who bring with them social problems, the casino effects, the high costs of living. Dont blame the next govt for the problems we face for the next 10yrs...see the problems coming because of present pap policies. If we dont stop the present pap, the pain will last longer...maybe 20, 30 yrs. stop the rot now to minimise the damage in the future

 

[TracyTan866]

you are from RP right?

whether I am from RP, WP, SDP or PAP doesnt really matter. What really matter is whether what I said makes sense and that I am pro-Singapore and pro-Singaporeans

 

[TracyTan866]

Tracy is right about one thing and that is the general deterioration of PAP's popularity as amply demonstrated at the last GE and this is something that even the PM himself had recognized to his own surprise rather late in the game. That surprise was also why some took the grassroots to task for not providing accurate feedback. And this trend will only get worse for PAP due to changing demographics and the proliferation of new media, something they did not have to contest so much with in the past. One thing that does not bode well for the ruling party is that even though the PM himself feels the change but I don't think he has managed to convince his party members that there is a problem. You can just observe the way his MPs in Parliament and his grassroot supporters on the ground including those on the new media respond to criticism and to the way they look at the opposition. Nothing much has changed. Complacency is the word. If you can't see the problem, how can you solve it? The local problems that PAP here and there only determine where the earlier tipping points are but the general trend is all there, whether it against WP or others. WP broke through first because they generally better performance and closer to the middle which is where the bulk of the electorate is. I see that once the ruling party's general popularity tumbles to something like 54 to 55%, the lost seats will increase dramatically and losing two-third majority is a real possibility.

The Opposition garnered 40% of popular votes in GE 2011 but got only six seats. but it's not linear. at the next GE, it's possible for the Opposition to get 45% of the votes and get 25seats or more. So take heart and fight on. I hope more credible candidates join the opposition to check on the pap.

Stop the rot in social and moral standards in Singapore!!

 

[IreneYeoh]

whether I am from RP, WP, SDP or PAP doesnt really matter. What really matter is whether what I said makes sense and that I am pro-Singapore and pro-Singaporeans

It matters. I think it makes more sense to join WP. If you join SDP, then sorry sis, I can't support. The rest are in the middle.

 

[TracyTan866]

It matters. I think it makes more sense to join WP. If you join SDP, then sorry sis, I can't support. The rest are in the middle.

SDP has been tarnished by the pap because pap is most afraid of them. pap wants SDP out of parliament at all costs. PAP prefers WP. but Singaporeans need WP, RP, NSP and SDP in parliament to keep the pressure on PAP. SDP getting into parliament is not at WP's expense. Opposition's presence in Parliament is not a zero sum game.

The more Opposition presence in parliament the better it is for Singapore and Singaporeans.

WP has a role to play in parlaiment. SDP also has a role to play. NSP is also valuable in parliament .

Can you imagine we have LTK, SL, CSM, PS, MF, TJS, VW, AYG, ML, HP, TT, NS, GEK, GG, YJJ, AO, HSM, etc in parliament? PAP will not get away with the many mistakes it made

 

[Teletubbie]

Supposedly. When GCT inherited the PM post from LKY in 1990, it was a totally different one when LKY was PM. The PM would no longer be the paramount leader in S'pore. That remained with LKY. So on it goes ie when GCT passed the baton to LHL, the PM post is just a little more than a figure head. LKY is still the supreme leader, up to now. It was exactly the same situation in China when Deng Hsiao Peng was alive. He wasn't the PM, but he was the paramount leader. That's why when LKY was asked who he thinks is the greatest policital leader, he replied Deng Hsiao Peng. He saw himself in Deng Hsiao Peng.

On the contrary, I believe not...I'm no pro-pap person.....the greatest attribute LKY sees in DXP is, despite being an old school, he has the vision and ability to embrace the new and inevitable (to open up China). DXP succeeded where LKY has limited success...thus he say DXP is the greatest....

 

[brocoli]

I disagree with you.

What do Singaporeans know abt the pap in 1965? Did they know who was LKY? who was GKS, TCH, EWB, OPB, ? they were no bodies. Yet Singaporeans in in their trust voted the pap in 1965 and we had the best team so far. The present pap team, despite the hype, pales in comparison. What we are now is the result of the first pap team. in fact we are in decline under the present pap leadership.

You dont think LTK, SL, CSM, YSL, AO, GEK, etc are comparable to LHL, MBT, MKS, RL? can the WP be worse than the pap clowns?

I have faith in the Opposition ...Singaporeans dont know their depth because the MSM dont publicise the Opposition. But the Oppostion has moral standard and character...which the pap lacks. So I rather give my vote to the Opposition.

Also, we have a strong Civil Service. They run Singapore. So be assured that we will be in good hands.

Why do singaporeans trust TCJ, OYK rather than CSM, SL? Because they have been brainwashed by the pap and SG medis to believe that PAP candidates can be trusted...but look at MBT, RL, WKS, TPL, Steve Tan and FMH...all talk and form but no substance and no compassion and no moral standard.

So let's dont just read the Straits times and trust them to give us the gospel truth. Let's open our minds and explore for the good of Singapore.

Dont let the pap and SG media demonise the Opposition.

We have seen the moral decline of the pap and we must check them or else SG will continue to decline morally and socially

A

this is a prime example of confusing you own wishes and reality ?

its not about what I want and what you think ? the hard truth is whenever I badmouth PAP in front of ordinary sinkies, they give me "the look" ....

whether I am from RP, WP, SDP or PAP doesnt really matter. What really matter is whether what I said makes sense and that I am pro-Singapore and pro-Singaporeans

you talk like KJ.... detached from reailty .... every1 in WP which I have spoken is fucking conservative to the extent that I think they do not know they can influence public opinion....

 

[Sideswipe]

The Opposition garnered 40% of popular votes in GE 2011 but got only six seats. but it's not linear. at the next GE, it's possible for the Opposition to get 45% of the votes and get 25seats or more. So take heart and fight on. I hope more credible candidates join the opposition to check on the pap.
Stop the rot in social and moral standards in Singapore!!

i added 5% for the oppositions in all constituencies for the 2011 GE. Potong Pasir, Joo Chiat, Punggol East and East Coast ( 8 seats ) would fall to them, the latter 3 would be won only by razor thin margin ( 50% to 51% ). the oppositions apparently would win 45% of votes and get 14 seats, 16% of parliament.

the oppostitions need to work harder and win many more votes. their popular vote into the 40% to 45% range might not translate into the expected share of seats won.

 

[jw5]

pap bosses cannot suka suka parachute candidates,

More often than not these days, they eventually realise that the parachute is actually a knapsack.

 

[TracyTan866]

this is a prime example of confusing you own wishes and reality ?

its not about what I want and what you think ? the hard truth is whenever I badmouth PAP in front of ordinary sinkies, they give me "the look" ....



you talk like KJ.... detached from reailty .... every1 in WP which I have spoken is fucking conservative to the extent that I think they do not know they can influence public opinion....

of course what you want doesnt matter. it wahts singaporeans want that matters.

KJ is detached from reality? and you are better than KJ? who r u to judge that WP is conservative. they are well liked by Aljunied residents and that's what matters...

 

[TracyTan866]

i added 5% for the oppositions in all constituencies for the 2011 GE. Potong Pasir, Joo Chiat, Punggol East and East Coast ( 8 seats ) would fall to them, the latter 3 would be won only by razor thin margin ( 50% to 51% ). the oppositions apparently would win 45% of votes and get 14 seats, 16% of parliament.

the oppostitions need to work harder and win many more votes. their popular vote into the 40% to 45% range might not translate into the expected share of seats won.

if pap continues to talk only but no action, they will be in for a rude shock in the next GE. if carefully fought, besides what you mentioned, the Opposition can also win MP, TP/Bishan, H/BT GRCs and Mountbatten SMC

 

[TracyTan866]

More often than not these days, they eventually realise that the parachute is actually a knapsack.

it seems that after GE 2011, the pap is finding it even harder to recruit good candidates. the better andmore caring ones prefer to join the Opposition. How 10 years have made a difference!!! PAP is a despised brand which good singaporeans shun