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I am afraid I can not congratulate Obama
- Thread starter uncleyap
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Yes I agree.
More over, I think his liabilities and burden is similar with Ma Ying Jiu (expect for Bush's mountain of shit) that is his democratic commitments. A democratic leader can not implement his own system like a dictator. Obama will be entirely locked by American voters expectations, that is to deliver comfort security and NO WAR, and living in good homes which they can not afford to pay for etc etc.
On the part of enormous American debts, the only choice for him to make his democratic voters happy is to make entire world outside USA the suckers to write off debts or pay on behalf of his voters. This is a brutal fact. This is what those pro-Obama optimists from outside USA had neglected, and yet they dream that Obama will be a Santa for them, and will make Singaporeans richer with more freedom....
Joke of the day
Big deal? Go and enjoy it!
You talk so big about being "practical" but just from your drivel below it is plain and obvious that you are the most impractical and 'idealistic' character running around. Sheesh:rolleyes
he represents harban singh in the 80s?
OK Fine, it is not my point at all to argue the terminology of "FT" being used. The fact is these are foreign origin populations and labor sources. Weather you like to call it FT or immigrants what not, I have no issues with that.
Weather Singapore was under British as a colony or under Japs as conquered island or under famiLEE LEEgime as salves, and regardless what terminologies were used to call these FTs, makes not much of fundamental differences to me. They are not originally here, and are brought in to red dot by some governing policies welcoming them.
Dr M of Malaysia at one stage also took in lots of Indonesians and then in a hurry tried to evict them when 1998 financial crisis hit. Dr M did not call them FTs, but to me they are the same.
If British didn't allowed our forefathers to come and live & work here, you & me would be born as citizens of other countries, not as Singaporeans here to talk about this issue.
When old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew was PM, he already brought in Malaysians and he didn't call them FTs. He brought in essentially Chinese from Johore, but some how this Khaw Boon Wan guy managed to come also from Penang during then.
I don't want to compare any further. No one can change these facts.
The carefully regulated inflow of aliens into Singapore by the PAP fascist regime is not based on letting in "foreign talent" as claimed by the LEEgime.
During British colonialism, the imperialist exploiters wanted coolies and indentured labourers and they were not labelled as "foreign talent". The colonialists allowed them in to meet the need for cheap labour.
But the PAP is asking Singaporeans to accept the cheap labour from a particular country flooding the market now as "foreign talent" who are here to help safeguard the locals of their jobs!
Why don't you call a spade a spade? By endorsing them as FT, are you not trying to echo Wong Kan Seng, the blue-eyed boy of the LEEgime?
As I understand, Harban Singh at least had a party of his own.
The model of society and economy during British era is entirely different from now. British won't be importing Software Engineer then. There is no need to argue this at all.
And you twisted my words around again!
What you quoted is your own twisted words, not my!
I said To get rid of FTs entirely is impractical. Totally different meanings.
Why are you adopting the same dirty tactics of 154th?
And you twisted my words around again!
What you quoted is your own twisted words, not my!
I said To get rid of FTs entirely is impractical. Totally different meanings.
Why are you adopting the same dirty tactics of 154th?
chao ah kwa PAP dog temple thief
you don't cum and talk cock lah
see if you can qualify to hold obama lanjiao when he go for his pee ... LOL
The term "FT" already became the subject title of a political issue.
How are you able to ask me to alter the popularly adopted title when addressing this subject?
When we mentioned this subject title FT we are not to be taken as acknowledging famiLEE LEEgime's faulty values.
I can see that at least LEEgime is Targeting to bring in talents, but however, what did they finally got is indeed another matter. Just like many reformists the famiLEE LEEgime themselves also have very idealistic goals, but when coming to delivery in reality, what sort of craps did they gave us for the kind of $$$ we paid them?
The subject here is not FT but Obama.
Obama's campaign painted a beautiful inspiring picture, LEEgime did similar things for every damn fake elections they held. But in the end I am interested only in what could be actually delivered. Given the goodies left behind by Bush and that Obama is not a dictator who can force Americans against their wills to take hard routes to change, the voters will force him to take easy comfortable routes, usually that is to shaft American problems out to the world.
I basically see that 911 is the result of USA constantly shafting their own problems to certain parts of 3rd world to make big suckers out of others. If just back-fired badly one day, and Bush was the lucky moron who got the chance to make the worst out of that 911.
Yes after 911 & Bush the Americans voted for Obama to hope for a change. But it is the same America and same shitty problems, for that to change and get really fixed it takes a generation at least.
His campaign is impressive and some will say that famiLEE LEEgime's NDP is impressive. Slogans are beautiful, fireworks nice. Be down to earth now and find out how to clean up Bush's Shit for a start.
How are you able to ask me to alter the popularly adopted title when addressing this subject?
When we mentioned this subject title FT we are not to be taken as acknowledging famiLEE LEEgime's faulty values.
I can see that at least LEEgime is Targeting to bring in talents, but however, what did they finally got is indeed another matter. Just like many reformists the famiLEE LEEgime themselves also have very idealistic goals, but when coming to delivery in reality, what sort of craps did they gave us for the kind of $$$ we paid them?
The subject here is not FT but Obama.
Obama's campaign painted a beautiful inspiring picture, LEEgime did similar things for every damn fake elections they held. But in the end I am interested only in what could be actually delivered. Given the goodies left behind by Bush and that Obama is not a dictator who can force Americans against their wills to take hard routes to change, the voters will force him to take easy comfortable routes, usually that is to shaft American problems out to the world.
I basically see that 911 is the result of USA constantly shafting their own problems to certain parts of 3rd world to make big suckers out of others. If just back-fired badly one day, and Bush was the lucky moron who got the chance to make the worst out of that 911.
Yes after 911 & Bush the Americans voted for Obama to hope for a change. But it is the same America and same shitty problems, for that to change and get really fixed it takes a generation at least.
His campaign is impressive and some will say that famiLEE LEEgime's NDP is impressive. Slogans are beautiful, fireworks nice. Be down to earth now and find out how to clean up Bush's Shit for a start.
The importing of software engineers shows up the failure of PAP's education policy. Countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Japan don't depend on foreigners to propel their economies.
Furthermore, in Singapore we don't know how many software engineers are there and where they are from?
Economy has to be developed to provide good paying jobs to citizens. In Singapore, the economy is being developed to meet, among others, the ever increasing demand for cheap labour by foreign multi-national companies.
That is not development, except for the LEEgime, its cronies and hangers-on.
You humtum criticize so much, what have you got to say on how to be realistic and practical? Join your PAp huh?
It's the fascist PAP, in order to hide its real intention, that has "popularly adopted" the title FT.
The term Foreign Talent is a misnomer, a deception. By saying that it is popular, you're advancing the PAP propaganda.
You humtum criticize so much, what have you got to say on how to be realistic and practical? Join your PAp huh?
hey clown, you run out of idea, call people join PAP? hahahaha
Don't shift the ball to my court because I am not the one desperately seeking publicity, you are the one.
So again I ask, what is your realisitic and practical model of good governance for Singapore once LKY and the PAPs have left the political picture?
So again I ask, what is your realisitic and practical model of good governance for Singapore once LKY and the PAPs have left the political picture?
You are asking me the same question which I asked you, and which you have no answer to provide.:p
LKy will leave the picture soon, but PAp? Will be still around for some time.
Even if you disbanded them like Thai Rak Thai, still they will return as some thing else.
For short terms, only practically humble and low targets must be set by whoever took over from famiLEE LEEgime. The bigger goals afar must take long time. The more idealistic goals were set by the successor the more I will doubt it's practicality.
You are asking me the same question which I asked you, and which you have no answer to provide.:p
LKy will leave the picture soon, but PAp? Will be still around for some time.
Even if you disbanded them like Thai Rak Thai, still they will return as some thing else.
For short terms, only practically humble and low targets must be set by whoever took over from famiLEE LEEgime. The bigger goals afar must take long time. The more idealistic goals were set by the successor the more I will doubt it's practicality.
lots of 'tak chei gia' love obama... so... u are outnumbered here in this forum.
'tak chei gia' as in study until...the mind ganna 'indigestion'.
Like I said before, you are the one talking big about "fighting" LKY/PAPs, "fighting corruption", "fighting incompetent governance", being "practical and realistic" etc, so what is your "practical realistic" model of governance?
You have thus far failed to provide any, so why should anyone pay attention to you in the first place?
As for me purportedly having "no answer", again I am not the one desperately seeking publicity, you are, accordingly it is incumbent upon you not me to explain yourself.
However since you keep asking for my "answer", without any basis I should add, I shall oblige you with a brief sketch.
Go read Joseph Schumpeter for the general ideology.
As for the practical nuts and bolts way forward, I see a PAP split after LKY passes away and when I say PAP split I am not just talking about PAP political party itself but the entire Establishment Elites across all sectors of Singapore society. As to how long long this shall take after LKY passes on, who knows for sure, but I think within a time frame of 10-15 years is a possibility. Transition shall be messy (change inevitably brings about messiness and uncertainty) but by this time probably manageable so as not to foresake national stability both security and the economy. Singaporean Generations X, Y, Z and beyond should probably be much better educated and more globally exposed through eduction, travel, work and the net to act rationally with general reasonable political maturity.
Barring unforeseen drastic extreme circumstances, the large majority of Singaporeans shall probably never give credence to a 'revolutionary reform movement' to oust the PAPs from political power because rationally the negatives appear to far far out way the benefits, and rightly so I should add.
Btw I have not ruled out the PAP government in power going the dark route if its power is really truly challenged by say a PAP split using methods like martial law, vote rigging etc. However if it does indeed go down this dark route, then it is definitely the start of the end of the PAP government because this would rationally justify the rise of a 'revolutionary/reform movement' which would eventually succeeed in ousting PAP going by history. However in this worst case scenario Singapore shall probably be left in ruins and rubble, so I don't think the PAPs would take this dark destructive route. Afterall Singapore has already moved beyond a banana republic.
Finally sorry to burst your bubble, but if you are really truthful, practical and realistic, it is highly unlikely that the political status quo in Singapore shall radically change while LKY is still alive and active in the political scene. The ground reality appears to support what I say. There still appears to be quite alot of 'fat' around to spread about and the PAPs may appear to be cold, arrogant, harsh, mean, stingy and greedy but generally they are not stupid and not corrupt in the traditional sense. Unlikely that PAPs would actually cross the political 'red line' while LKY is still around.
You have thus far failed to provide any, so why should anyone pay attention to you in the first place?
As for me purportedly having "no answer", again I am not the one desperately seeking publicity, you are, accordingly it is incumbent upon you not me to explain yourself.
However since you keep asking for my "answer", without any basis I should add, I shall oblige you with a brief sketch.
Go read Joseph Schumpeter for the general ideology.
As for the practical nuts and bolts way forward, I see a PAP split after LKY passes away and when I say PAP split I am not just talking about PAP political party itself but the entire Establishment Elites across all sectors of Singapore society. As to how long long this shall take after LKY passes on, who knows for sure, but I think within a time frame of 10-15 years is a possibility. Transition shall be messy (change inevitably brings about messiness and uncertainty) but by this time probably manageable so as not to foresake national stability both security and the economy. Singaporean Generations X, Y, Z and beyond should probably be much better educated and more globally exposed through eduction, travel, work and the net to act rationally with general reasonable political maturity.
Barring unforeseen drastic extreme circumstances, the large majority of Singaporeans shall probably never give credence to a 'revolutionary reform movement' to oust the PAPs from political power because rationally the negatives appear to far far out way the benefits, and rightly so I should add.
Btw I have not ruled out the PAP government in power going the dark route if its power is really truly challenged by say a PAP split using methods like martial law, vote rigging etc. However if it does indeed go down this dark route, then it is definitely the start of the end of the PAP government because this would rationally justify the rise of a 'revolutionary/reform movement' which would eventually succeeed in ousting PAP going by history. However in this worst case scenario Singapore shall probably be left in ruins and rubble, so I don't think the PAPs would take this dark destructive route. Afterall Singapore has already moved beyond a banana republic.
Finally sorry to burst your bubble, but if you are really truthful, practical and realistic, it is highly unlikely that the political status quo in Singapore shall radically change while LKY is still alive and active in the political scene. The ground reality appears to support what I say. There still appears to be quite alot of 'fat' around to spread about and the PAPs may appear to be cold, arrogant, harsh, mean, stingy and greedy but generally they are not stupid and not corrupt in the traditional sense. Unlikely that PAPs would actually cross the political 'red line' while LKY is still around.
