I am afraid I can not congratulate Obama

[uncleyap]

1) Don't be so defensive. When we talk about a party, it can also refer to an individual or a group of people who share similar views, not necessarily conjoined by any formal contract.

2) Question is about whether congratulations are in order for a man who would still fight for the job given the tasks ahead. It would be unprecedented but it may happen that the winner asks for a recount if he/she thinks that he is not cut out for the job.

3) Nobody denies that the shit has not been cleaned. But people hope that a change in govt may reduce that shit gradually.

I have enough of "end-of-the-world" rhetorics from the PAP and I don't see we need to have another independent party (or those who disliked to be associated to a party, whichever is applicable) to start the same rhetorics.

http://sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=85347&postcount=4


I think the same celebrating mood of EJ caused him to post something very optimistic in another thread, and I also cautioned him similarly. I am asking you also to read that please.

If you want to reform and have the realistic confidence from peasants, please be realistic instead of over-optimistic. Never set a very high target - like the famiLEE LEEgime, if you achieved above your target, people are happy, but you still should not be carried away like the famiLEE LEEgime. If you fell below the target, you have to admit that you set something too high to be practical, tell you mistake to the peasants and don't shift blames to others like the famiLEE LEEgime.

In the scenario of Singapore, with peasants so easily bluffed by famiLEE LEEgime for whole life, it is high risk that they will buy any rosy reform promises and embark on naive route of reform - instead of taking a down to earth practical approach.

Soon enough it would be alike buying these mini-bonds which failed to make the peasants rich. They will be fucking pissed, and then you will find yourself in the shoes of famiLEE LEEgime!

 

[myfoot123]

Yes, that is my main point! Don't be too happy and don't expect too much when famiLEE LEEgime is finished. Be realistic and be practical. Please.

To be practical, even in the event that Mr. JBJ won election and replaced famiLEE LEEgime, I will still caution people against over-optimism and over-expectation, similarly because there will be a huge mountain of famiLEE LEEgime craps to be cleaned up, nothing worth congratulating indeed.

Not striking 4D nor ToTo, I am afraid, it is actually a huge amount of liability. Please take practical and realistic look at the scenario.

To a certain extend, I do agree with you on realistic expectation. However we have never been failed to be constantly reminded by PAP on practicalilty:-bringing in FT to Singapore is practical because it spurs our economy? bringing down our wages is practical because it help MNC cut cost, paying million dollar salary to minister is practical because LKY said no minister is so honourable to accept low salary. Practicalilty is subjective but let's be realistic that republican has loss its popularity. Golden period in Singapore is not realistic.

You put youselves at risk to be twistic by LEEporters that you no longer trust that opposition can rule this country and they might add that it FINALLY came to your senses that this country should be ruled by practical party (which pappy always claimed to be so). To avoid any backfire, I think you should rephrase your topic and comments.

 

[uncleyap]

不敢當閣下嚴重了。小弟區區草民一個。奧巴馬將來當總統的日子將是一個艱辛崎嶇的旅程。在此祝他在整頓美國國運的過程好運順利。

至少是您才看到了崎嶇现实，并且从美国还能反思到新加坡的未来。

很多人今天就像中了大彩那样的疯狂庆祝。根本忘故了现实的艰难问题。

奧巴馬中选本来就是预计的结果。在一早清楚这个结果的时候，就应该预算到底奧巴馬当选後会如何处理烂摊子。我从很多角度考虑都看不出什么值得庆祝的情况。现在太［白］开心，很快就会大失望了。

从台湾的现况就可以大略的考虑奧巴馬的情景。马英九和奧巴馬都同样的控制了总统府+所有的议院。马英九目前干得如何了？清算阿扁都还没抓去关。经济大失所望。赶快和北京搞三通。就是这样了。至少马英九能跟北京和平相处。我都不敢太乐观奧巴馬能和莫斯科达至和平协议。就算从伊拉克撤军，也不保证911不再发生多一次。美国人所积欠了几代人的一大屁股债如何是好？这都很难向美国选民负责交代，而世界其他地方的人民，像新加坡人，更是毫无条件去乐观的。

所以我说：高兴个屁？

 

[zack123]

http://sammyboy.com/showpost.php?p=85347&postcount=4

I think the same celebrating mood of EJ caused him to post something very optimistic in another thread, and I also cautioned him similarly. I am asking you also to read that please.

If you want to reform and have the realistic confidence from peasants, please be realistic instead of over-optimistic. Never set a very high target - like the famiLEE LEEgime, if you achieved above your target, people are happy, but you still should not be carried away like the famiLEE LEEgime. If you fell below the target, you have to admit that you set something too high to be practical, tell you mistake to the peasants and don't shift blames to others like the famiLEE LEEgime.

In the scenario of Singapore, with peasants so easily bluffed by famiLEE LEEgime for whole life, it is high risk that they will buy any rosy reform promises and embark on naive route of reform - instead of taking a down to earth practical approach.

Soon enough it would be alike buying these mini-bonds which failed to make the peasants rich. They will be fucking pissed, and then you will find yourself in the shoes of famiLEE LEEgime!

You are killing the spirit of optimism for a change. Where would be the revolution if pessimism persists even from those who soldiers towards change?

Nobody can guarantee success but we must at least acknowledge those who strive for it. And such statements issued by you would only act to deter than inspire.

 

[uncleyap]

You are killing the spirit of optimism for a change. Where would be the revolution if pessimism persists even from those who soldiers towards change?

Nobody can guarantee success but we must at least acknowledge those who strive for it. And such statements issued by you would only act to deter than inspire.

I think be realistic and down to earth and then people will feel more secure to trust the courage of reform. I will feel insecure if reform were led by naive over-optimists, in particular those who Under-Estimate the problems of reality - again like the famiLEE LEEgime scholars.

It would be easy to lure peasants towards some rosy reform prospects, but the moment you hit a snag, Singaporean peasants will pee in their pants and run for their lives. PAp will resume LEEgime, your efforts will be ruined down the drains.

Be down to earth, lower the target, make sure you get there and slowly build up confidence. famiLEE LEEgime's mistakes had always been wanting to fly higher than where their own bloody lame ass could reach.

 

[uncleyap]

I am just going to ask you forumers to watch that fucking old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew will send his Ass Loong Son or the Prata ASAP to go suck up and congratulate Obama's election victory, although it is a fucking nightmare for his famiLEE LEEgime.:p

:oIo: Lee Kuan Yew shameless old dog thief!

 

[uncleyap]

To a certain extend, I do agree with you on realistic expectation. However we have never been failed to be constantly reminded by PAP on practicalilty:-bringing in FT to Singapore is practical because it spurs our economy? bringing down our wages is practical because it help MNC cut cost, paying million dollar salary to minister is practical because LKY said no minister is so honourable to accept low salary. Practicalilty is subjective but let's be realistic that republican has loss its popularity. Golden period in Singapore is not realistic.

You put youselves at risk to be twistic by LEEporters that you no longer trust that opposition can rule this country and they might add that it FINALLY came to your senses that this country should be ruled by practical party (which pappy always claimed to be so). To avoid any backfire, I think you should rephrase your topic and comments.

Japan / PRC & USA & EU all brought in FTs, I can tell you that Israel even hired Arabs to work. But they are all not so corrupted and incompetent like famiLEE LEEgime regarding FTs. To be more precise, not in such SELFISH and GREEDY ways.

To tell you the truth regarding Singaporean FTs history, it is NOT LKy old dog thief who brought in FTs, it was British governance! Yes! And who were the FTs? Our fathers & grandfathers were the FTs! And that's why we are now here!

So what are the difference? Their policies regarding the FTs made the huge differences! Competence vs Incompetences! Success vs Failures! Good Job vs Fucked Ups!

What more need I say?

The famiLEE LEEgime are UNFIT for their bloody jobs not to mention their fucking undeserved salaries! Not withstanding their own bloody LEEgalized corruption crimes.:oIo:

If you are Chinese or Indian, most likely your father / grandfather was an FT from PRC / India, if you are Malay then may be not, or may be you family came over from Indonesia still.

 

[scroobal]

If ever, this must be one of the rare occasion in the politics of the world that we should be delighted about. Stereotypes, convention and old form has been cast aside.

Its tells us a lot when a man of many hues, related to 3/4s of the world by descent overcomes barriers with steely determination and brings hope to the rest in a similar position.

5 years ago, people would have bet that it was easier to gain 5 seats in opposition compared to a coloured man taking the office of President of the World's most powerful nation.

You should really step aside if you have no clue what to do, where to go and how to do anything in the fight for a democratic Singapore.

Despite all these years and the amount of attention that you have sought and received, no one knows who you are and your background is really hazy as the day that you took stage.

You continue to hijack events of the opposition, you write nonsense about flowers next to toilets, you cast a shadow of comedy and sillyness on their cause and you sure know how to rain on a parade.

 

[one2unite]

hey clown, who you think you are? don't talk big, obama don't need you. hahahahha
You can go tell your wayang chee that your rotten lancheow mouth have just burst its cover. Thru you the entire SBF now knows that SDP wayang moles like yourself its out to create chaos.

Robert Ho and Gopalan Nair were jailed for their blog postings but nothing happens to Yap the agent provocateur.

Yap Keng Ho is a PAP mole actively engaged in ferreting out the real opponents of the LEEgime.

 

[one2unite]

If you are Chinese or Indian, most likely your father / grandfather was an FT from PRC / India, if you are Malay then may be not, or may be you family came over from Indonesia still.

From the above, is it not clear that agent provocateur Yap Keng Ho is increasingly echoing the PAP's position on the so-called FT?

Our forefathers came when Singapore was not a nation but only a British colony that was part of British Malaya.

To justify the present influx of aliens from Third World countries is to endorse PAP's exploitative, oppressive policies of our workers and the middle class.

 

[one2unite]

I am dissapointed to read that someone like you who purports to support the opposition would look away when there is a mess. Instead I believe you should congratulate him for his considerable effort and eventually winning at the votes despite all the mess as it will give him the strength to face the challenges. That is a sign of a good leader to roll up his sleeves and deal with the problems face on.

In this respect I hope that you retract your statement for the good of the party that you are representing.

I just noticed this posting of yours. Would you mind telling me which party that this chap Yap Keng Ho represents?

 

[uncleyap]

If ever, this must be one of the rare occasion in the politics of the world that we should be delighted about. Stereotypes, convention and old form has been cast aside.

Its tells us a lot when a man of many hues, related to 3/4s of the world by descent overcomes barriers with steely determination and brings hope to the rest in a similar position.

5 years ago, people would have bet that it was easier to gain 5 seats in opposition compared to a coloured man taking the office of President of the World's most powerful nation.

You should really step aside if you have no clue what to do, where to go and how to do anything in the fight for a democratic Singapore.

Despite all these years and the amount of attention that you have sought and received, no one knows who you are and your background is really hazy as the day that you took stage.

You continue to hijack events of the opposition, you write nonsense about flowers next to toilets, you cast a shadow of comedy and sillyness on their cause and you sure know how to rain on a parade.

You are full of hopes regarding Obama as I expected.

You took your eyes away from the mountain of craps left behind by Bush.

You dream that Obama will help to solve your problems for you and you are celebrating.

TOO OPTIMISTIC!

3/4 of the world etc... Bush had more than that behind him strongly supporting initially just after 911....:p What happened?

Bush also had all that "Resolve" & "Slowly but Surely" etc. What happened? :p

I strongly disagree with your expectations. If you are really going to reform, you have to be prepared to face all the necessary odds, pay all the high prices necessary, and you must NEVER hope to get a free ride - such as one from Obama. If you are looking for free rides, you are then not in any difference with Old Dog Thief Lee Kuan Yew, who took the wrong free ride with Bush.

It is good that people are inspired by Obama, but in the history and world there is no lack of examples of good inspirations. Obama's situation is realistically the worst, thanks to Bush. I fear that a quick and big disappointment will follow, if you took this free ride of Obama. Let me give you another real and recent example.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/24/skorea.president.ap/index.html
Lee is first South Korean president to come from a business background...

High optimism and expectations were there especially in economic aspects when he was elected. What happened to South Korean economy realistically now? Deepest Shit ever! Is this the kind of optimistic reform you want to give Singapore?

I was right since the beginning that I responded to people like Mr. Ng Teck Siong who was so optimistic about CEO Lee from Korean MNC being elected president. I entirely didn't have such optimism and expectation of Lee Muang Bak. Under his presidency, Korean finance is feared to suffer similar national bankruptcy like Iceland, thanks again to Bush.

Further, I remind similarly those people who were once very delighted as well as hopeful when Telecom Tycoon Thug-Sin was elected. Skipping the Thug-Sin story for now.

Yet back to Obama, none of Thug-Sin nor Lee Muang Bak have half of that shitty burdens left behind in WhiteHouse by Bush - Thank You Moron Bush!

Finally, I also caution against Democratic Singapore as you mentioned.

I must say that it is yet another naive idea to believe that Democracy is the magic medicine to cure Singapore. I am afraid that too many reformist here are blind folded by such idealism and seems to be inclined towards impractical approach of reform.

Democratically, Singaporean majority are reluctant to face uncertainty of reform, they demand change for the best WITHOUT paying the necessary price, they will prefer such change to be delivered by famiLEE LEEgime so that they need not face any risk with any uncertainty from any new government.

I will fight for a better Singapore but I don't define nor measure that too seriously in terms of Democracy. I fight to rid corruption (particularly LEEgalized corruption) & incompetency in governance, I fight to rid greedy and selfish government, I fight to rid coward government. Democracy may make it harder for such undesirable government to survive, Democracy can not however ENSURE that corrupt incompetent selfish greedy and coward politician gets into power and stay. NOT AT ALL.

Example is Taiwanese Chen Shui Bian, who at one stage many of you Democratic Reformists took as a symbol of success and role of model - some how likening to how you are now feeling towards Obama.

Taiwanese people enjoys democracy while still suffering in corruption incompetency under selfish greedy Chen Shui Bian. I will not over-emphasize democracy in reform, and I ask everyone not to be blinded by this ideology.

I don't want to pour too much cold water. But I urge you to be sufficiently realistic and practical.

 

[leetahbar]

obama could be another ma yin jueo - one with alot of hot air and hotter now with more heated resentment from taiwanese.

 

[uncleyap]

From the above, is it not clear that agent provocateur Yap Keng Ho is increasingly echoing the PAP's position on the so-called FT?

Our forefathers came when Singapore was not a nation but only a British colony that was part of British Malaya.

To justify the present influx of aliens from Third World countries is to endorse PAP's exploitative, oppressive policies of our workers and the middle class.

You are urged to do you home work before telling this crap. Find out properly first weather is it famiLEE LEEgime echoing what I had first pointed out regarding the truth of FT or had I followed behind those scholars.

I am surely not following behind you. No offense Ok?


Let me repeat these facts, most Singaporeans less the Malays are descendences of pioneer FTs, largely from India & China (includes Pakistan; Taiwan; HK; etc) and other areas. The earliest FT policies were from British colonial governance not famiLEE LEEgime. The FT policies then were so different from now. The earlier FT polices worked better and brought success to Singapore, that is why we are now here as descendences of pioneer FTs. The present FT polices crafted by scholar famiLEE LEEgime failed very badly.

I had not given my view on why is the famiLEE LEEgime's FT policy bad, but I may not want to reveal much until is it already too late for them to correct. I want to see famiLEE LEEgime deeply screwed by their own failures.

Except that I will point out that famiLEE LEEgime's FT policies are desperate greedy measures carried too far and went unchecked. Too much drawbacks incurred from their failures, they are too stubborn and arrogant to notice any crisis and they don't know what else to do beside continuing to SINK SINKapore. FT strategy could be adopted successfully and satisfy Singaporeans better under a different government and with ENTIRELY different policies from what famiLEE LEEgime had implemented. To get rid of FTs entirely is impractical, but to aim 6.5 million population level by flooding red dot with FTs is one of the most screwed up ideas.

 

[one2unite]

You are urged to do you home work before telling this crap. Find out properly first weather is it famiLEE LEEgime echoing what I had first pointed out regarding the truth of FT or had I followed behind those scholars.

I am surely not following behind you. No offense Ok?

The very acronym "FT" originated from the dictatorial PAP to hoodwink the people.

The grandiose term "FT" is noting but an attempt to flood the place with cheap labour from Third World countries to compete with our workers who are facing increased unemployment, retrenchment.

Wong Kan Seng is directly responsible for letting in the aliens into Singapore which is a sovereign nation, unlike the British colony Singapore that was part of British Malaya whose rulers were colonialist exploiters not concerned with the welfare of their subjects.

 

[uncleyap]

I am just going to ask you forumers to watch that fucking old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew will send his Ass Loong Son or the Prata ASAP to go suck up and congratulate Obama's election victory, although it is a fucking nightmare for his famiLEE LEEgime.:p

:oIo: Lee Kuan Yew shameless old dog thief!

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20081105/tap-883-singapore-pm-congratulates-obama-231650b.html

Dada.... what did I said?
Singapore PM Lee congratulates Obama, Biden on election victory

<cite class="auth">Channel NewsAsia - Thursday, November 6</cite>SINGAPORE : Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has congratulated US president—elect Barack Obama and his running mate Joseph Biden on their decisive victory, after a long, hard battle.


Mr Lee said the world needed strong US leadership to overcome the deepening economic crisis and conclude the Doha Round of trade negotiations.
He noted other challenges ahead for the US president, including achieving an international agreement on climate change and defeating terrorism.
Mr Lee also encouraged Mr Obama to forge strong ties with ASEAN, as it could help the US keep the peace in the Asia Pacific.
Mr Lee said he looks forward to welcoming Mr Obama when Singapore hosts the APEC Leaders Meeting next year.
In a separate letter to Senator Biden, Mr Lee said he admired Mr Biden’s spirited campaign and was moved by his personal story of overcoming adversity.
Mr Lee said Mr Biden’s experience as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee put him in a unique position to exercise leadership and help chart the way forward.
He noted that that both Singapore and the US enjoyed excellent relations and shared common perspectives on many international issues.
Mr Lee said he looks forward to working with Mr Biden and Mr Obama. — CNA /ls
Click here for the full text of president—elect Obama’s speech.

 

[uncleyap]

The very acronym "FT" originated from the dictatorial PAP to hoodwink the people.

The grandiose term "FT" is noting but an attempt to flood the place with cheap labour from Third World countries to compete with our workers who are facing increased unemployment, retrenchment.

Wong Kan Seng is directly responsible for letting in the aliens into Singapore which is a sovereign nation, unlike the British colony Singapore that was part of British Malaya whose rulers were colonialist exploiters not concerned with the welfare of their subjects.

OK Fine, it is not my point at all to argue the terminology of "FT" being used. The fact is these are foreign origin populations and labor sources. Weather you like to call it FT or immigrants what not, I have no issues with that.

Weather Singapore was under British as a colony or under Japs as conquered island or under famiLEE LEEgime as salves, and regardless what terminologies were used to call these FTs, makes not much of fundamental differences to me. They are not originally here, and are brought in to red dot by some governing policies welcoming them.

Dr M of Malaysia at one stage also took in lots of Indonesians and then in a hurry tried to evict them when 1998 financial crisis hit. Dr M did not call them FTs, but to me they are the same.

If British didn't allowed our forefathers to come and live & work here, you & me would be born as citizens of other countries, not as Singaporeans here to talk about this issue.

When old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew was PM, he already brought in Malaysians and he didn't call them FTs. He brought in essentially Chinese from Johore, but some how this Khaw Boon Wan guy managed to come also from Penang during then.

I don't want to compare any further. No one can change these facts.

 

[char_jig_kar]

OK Fine, it is not my point at all to argue the terminology of "FT" being used. The fact is these are foreign origin populations and labor sources. Weather you like to call it FT or immigrants what not, I have no issues with that.

Weather Singapore was under British as a colony or under Japs as conquered island or under famiLEE LEEgime as salves, and regardless what terminologies were used to call these FTs, makes not much of fundamental differences to me. They are not originally here, and are brought in to red dot by some governing policies welcoming them.

Dr M of Malaysia at one stage also took in lots of Indonesians and then in a hurry tried to evict them when 1998 financial crisis hit. Dr M did not call them FTs, but to me they are the same.

If British didn't allowed our forefathers to come and live & work here, you & me would be born as citizens of other countries, not as Singaporeans here to talk about this issue.

When old dog thief Lee Kuan Yew was PM, he already brought in Malaysians and he didn't call them FTs. He brought in essentially Chinese from Johore, but some how this Khaw Boon Wan guy managed to come also from Penang during then.

I don't want to compare any further. No one can change these facts.

a person that is very good in running for election, might not be able to lead the country. cheng sui bian is one good example.

lets just see how obama perform. i doubt he could do much. why? 'cause he is one softy and a hesitant.

 

[uncleyap]

BTW if you double checked Barack Obama's complicated background, his family is quite FT in nature.

That is why some one here is saying that Obama is related to 3/4 of the world outside USA.

Obama also wanted to deport his own aunt who is an illegal FT in USA.

 

[one2unite]

Let me repeat these facts, most Singaporeans less the Malays are descendences of pioneer FTs, largely from India & China (includes Pakistan; Taiwan; HK; etc) and other areas. The earliest FT policies were from British colonial governance not famiLEE LEEgime. The FT policies then were so different from now. The earlier FT polices worked better and brought success to Singapore, that is why we are now here as descendences of pioneer FTs. The present FT polices crafted by scholar famiLEE LEEgime failed very badly.

I had not given my view on why is the famiLEE LEEgime's FT policy bad, but I may not want to reveal much until is it already too late for them to correct. I want to see famiLEE LEEgime deeply screwed by their own failures.

Except that I will point out that famiLEE LEEgime's FT policies are desperate greedy measures carried too far and went unchecked. Too much drawbacks incurred from their failures, they are too stubborn and arrogant to notice any crisis and they don't know what else to do beside continuing to SINK SINKapore. FT strategy could be adopted successfully and satisfy Singaporeans better under a different government and with ENTIRELY different policies from what famiLEE LEEgime had implemented. To get rid of FTs entirely is impractical, but to aim 6.5 million population level by flooding red dot with FTs is one of the most screwed up ideas.

FT is an acronym for foreign talent. Are we, under the PAP's so-called FT policy, getting foreign talent into Singapore?

The influx of aliens is regulated by none other than Wong Kan Seng. The flooding of Singapore with an alien stock is not based on talent. Why then camouflage it by the term "foreign talent"?

During British colonial rule of Malaya that included Singapore, poor landless peasants came here as coolies and indentured labourers.

To say it is "entirely impractical" to "get rid of FTs" is to blindly endorse PAP propaganda. The PAP's FT policy, like so many of its other policies, remains opaque.