Just like Singapore is worried about their security, one must be careful about a physical connecting underground tunnel from the other side. It will take a long long time to see this RTS happen.
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HSR and RTS Discussion
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Just like Singapore is worried about their security, one must be careful about a physical connecting underground tunnel from the other side. It will take a long long time to see this RTS happen.
Haha, you are pathetically still so hopeful to even suggest having an indefinite timeline which can be as good as mothballing for another several decades, way after your lifetime.
Please don't be mistaken, the RTS was mooted / suggested by MY so it should be on its own terms and time and cannot be pushed and it is now MY shelving the project indefinitely on its own.
But it just shows that people just simply make proposals public to score brownie points without due consideration on its feasibility and workability.
Or perhaps, all along it was just a commercial gimmick to promote JB and give developers and their salesmen something exiting to entice - "walking distance to RTS", "minutes away from RTS", etc.....
The Malaysian authorities know deep down how they want to develop Johor. Things can be improved. Malaysia wants to be a 1st world country. Johor will be second vibrant city and a financial hub just after KL. RTS will provide easy connectivity between SG and JB. Medini will be a smart city connected by high speed communication network.
It's easy to dream, to know what needs to be done. People can dream to earn more money. Live a good life. Retire early. Travel the world. But to have a workable plan, the commitment to succeed, the skills and knowledge to see through the effort, that's another whole new level.
The above qualities are the stuffs that the Malaysian authorities lack. Without them, plans are just dreams. And along the way, they throw more obstacles for themselves such as supporting corruption, giving priorities to a specific race, saying one thing but doing another, etc.
It's easy to dream, to know what needs to be done. People can dream to earn more money. Live a good life. Retire early. Travel the world. But to have a workable plan, the commitment to succeed, the skills and knowledge to see through the effort, that's another whole new level.
The above qualities are the stuffs that the Malaysian authorities lack. Without them, plans are just dreams. And along the way, they throw more obstacles for themselves such as supporting corruption, giving priorities to a specific race, saying one thing but doing another, etc.
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Maybe I'm becoming cynical in my old age, or maybe I've watched too many episodes of 'Conspiracy Theory' but what I see thru my disillusioned eyes are different tribes of charlatans, shaman, magicians in the corridors of power. Each armed with Spin doctors with their own positions and agendas. Some deflect, some distract, some misdirect, most commit slight of hand - conjuring grand illusions to wow the masses.
The illusion/trick only works if enough of the audience believes. Some know its not real, but are unable to prove its not real. The best lies are those intertwined around some aspects of truth/reason. Appealing to those that want to believe.
HSR - why is it important, who wants it, who needs it, huge costs to the nations/taxpayer, serves/benefits only the few. (Medini/Gerbang residents no less) Why is it even feasible/on the radar... Cause foreign powers are falling over each other (in low interest environment) to lend you lots of money that you will be indebted to, for decades. (Sounds exactly like the Hinkley nuclear power station.UK). Seems like a good deal, don't have to fund it (in the beginning), creates jobs, leaves a legacy, makes the nation proud/feel good factor. But just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
What's in it for SG? The only thing I can think of is an underlying strategy not related to travel/transportation. We have the best transportation experts, the best defence strategist. They know the score.
The illusion/trick only works if enough of the audience believes. Some know its not real, but are unable to prove its not real. The best lies are those intertwined around some aspects of truth/reason. Appealing to those that want to believe.
HSR - why is it important, who wants it, who needs it, huge costs to the nations/taxpayer, serves/benefits only the few. (Medini/Gerbang residents no less) Why is it even feasible/on the radar... Cause foreign powers are falling over each other (in low interest environment) to lend you lots of money that you will be indebted to, for decades. (Sounds exactly like the Hinkley nuclear power station.UK). Seems like a good deal, don't have to fund it (in the beginning), creates jobs, leaves a legacy, makes the nation proud/feel good factor. But just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
What's in it for SG? The only thing I can think of is an underlying strategy not related to travel/transportation. We have the best transportation experts, the best defence strategist. They know the score.
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Ya...guess I am really pathetically hopeful. What to do, since my whole family is more happy than before ever since we moved over to JB? Might as well just hope for things to get better, even if it is my kids who get to see it, right? ;p
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You talked about how Malaysia WANT to develop JB. In your view, has there been anything going on in JB in the last 10 to 20 years that suggests, maybe even superficially, that things are headed in that direction?
Not that I know of.
Anyway, I was commenting in relation to those points listed in my previous post. To reiterate here, for example, Malaysia had an aim to be First World by 2020. It was announced several years ago. I was quite surprised by that ambitious move but gave it the benefit of the doubt. But some time last year, can't remember which minister came out to admit it is no longer possible.
RTS was aimed to be completed by 2018. No news about it any more. Once, they even accused Singapore of holding back the project which is of course, totally not true. The construction of the Woodlands MRT leg is currently going on as planned. It's the Johor side that is at a standstill.
Recently, I read Najib wanted teachers to learn computer coding to teach students within a tight timeline. This idea was slammed by a computer science graduate which said it is not so simple.
Stuffs like these....
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It is one thing to say that they missed the target set (not able to meet their intended milestones), quite another that they did not have any target to begin with or that they had not fired any shots at all to attempt to hit the target.
I wonder how many people in this world actually have targets in their life or they take life as it come along come whatever may.
Visions are targets set into the future. It is a motivational milestone for people to achieve. Malaysia has Vision 2020 to be developed nation. Maybe it won't, it might be in 2025 or 2030. It is better than doing nothing but complaining.
Most likely its "had not fired any shots at all to attempt to hit the target" or got fire but only one or two out of ten.
Right now the whole cabinet and all the govt agencies are working very hard day and night trying to figure out who is "Malaysian Official 1"mentioned by the US DOJ and ultimately what to do with him.
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So the changes in JB over the past 10 years since Iskandar project was started was "no shot fired" or "1-2 shots fired", in your opinion?
Yes, many proposals were just simply hot air but still waiting to materialized.
The much touted Pengerang Integrated Petroleum Complex or PIPC was supposed to be the main and major growth catalyst is now delayed indefinitely.
And of course, now we know that the RTS will be shelved, again, indefinitely.
Certain things were wrongly prioritized like building the brand new Kota Iskandar and so remotely.
All the new development you are seeing now are just commercial and residential development by private companies - the new shopping malls, new entertainment centres, new cinemas, new condo complex, new housing estates, etc.
But the infrastructure development is falling way behind the rapid real estate development, roads are still poorly maintained while many, like example the busy highway from Pasir Gudang to Tampoi, which is still 2 lanes, should have been widened many years ago.
Public transport is simply a mess without any improvement over the years, the new bus terminal below the CIQ is totally chaotic. Just last month, many parts of JB was without water for few days.
If all this shortfall continues , not surprising that one fine day you and your family may have to stand in line with buckets to collect water from mobile tankers.
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[h=1]Petronas updates progress on Malaysian RAPID project[/h]
HOUSTON, June 27
06/27/2016
By Robert Brelsford
OGJ Downstream Technology Editor
State-run Petronas has reached the halfway point of its long-planned project to build a refinery and petrochemical integrated development (RAPID) complex at Pengerang in southeastern Johor, Malaysia (OGJ Online, May 13, 2011).
“We are now at the midpoint of the project schedule and are on track towards achieving the overall [RAPID] startup in the first quarter of 2019,” said Colin Wong Hee Huing, Petronas senior vice-president and chief executive of Petronas Refinery & Petrochemical Corp. Sdn. Bhd.
The announcement came alongside the delivery on June 25 of major processing equipment for the complex’s steam cracker from South Korea to RAPID’s material offloading facility (MOLF) port in Tanjung Setapa, Johor, which was built specifically to handle imports of heavy-lift, oversized equipment and materials as well as some break-bulk and containerized cargo during construction and implementation of the project.
In addition to a smaller-scale propylene fractionator and ethylene fractionator, the equipment delivery included the main 1,808.6-tonne, 121.3-m high propylene fractionator process column, which, to date, is the tallest and heaviest process column ever to arrive in Malaysia, Petronas said.
With a planned capacity of 300,000 b/d, the RAPID refinery will produce naphtha and LPG feedstock for the petrochemical complex, as well as gasoline and diesel meeting European specifications to help address Asia-Pacific’s growing need for petroleum and petrochemical products.
The $27-28-billion complex will have a combined capacity to produce 7.7 million tonnes/year of various grades of products, including differentiated and specialty chemicals products.
RAPID is part of Petronas’s Pengerang integrated complex, which alongside the refinery and petrochemical production sites, will include six associated facilities, namely the Pengerang cogeneration plant, an LNG regasification terminal, an air-separation unit, a raw-water supply project, a liquid bulk terminal, as well as central and shared utilities and installations.
Contracts overview
Alongside contracts for MOLF, Petronas has let a series of contracts for engineering, procurement, construction, and commissioning for RAPID’s refinery and steam cracker, including:
• Toyo Engineering Corp. and Toyo Engineering & Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the steam cracker complex.
• A consortium of CTCI Corp., Chiyoda Corp., Synerlitz (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd., and MIE Industrial Sdn. Bhd. for the residue fluid catalytic cracking units, LPG treating unit, propylene recovery unit, and caustic neutralization units.
• Sinopec Engineering (Group) Co. Ltd. and Sinopec Engineering Group (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd. for the crude distillation unit, atmospheric residue desulfurization units, and hydrogen collection and distribution units.
• Tecnicas Reunidas SA and Tecnicas Reunidas Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. for the kerosine hydrotreating unit, diesel hydrotreating unit, naphtha hydrotreating unit, cracked-naphtha hydrotreating unit, and continuous catalytic reformer units.
• Petrofac International (UAE) LLC and Petrofac E&C Sdn. Bhd. for the amine recovery units, sulfur recovery units, sour water stripping units, liquid sulfur storage unit, and sulfur solidification units.
The Malaysian operator has awarded contracts for technology licensing at the complex as follows:
• CB&I for steam-cracking technology.
• Technip SA for equipment and technology related to hydrogen production.
• MECS Inc., a subsidiary of EI DuPont de Nemours & Co., for sulfur-removal technology.
Axens SA, Rueil-Malmaison, France, will supply a series of its proprietary processing technologies for the refining portion of the RAPID complex, including:
• A 21,000-b/d hydrotreater equipped with Axens’ naphtha hydrotreating process.
• A 14,000-b/d continuous catalytic regenerator equipped with Axens’ Octanizing process.
• A 30,000-b/d catalytic hydrotreater equipped with Axens’ Prime-K technology.
• A two-trained, 140,000-b/d residue fluid catalytic cracking unit, which includes a propylene recovery section, equipped with Axens’ R2R technology.
• A 75,000-b/d cracked-gasoline desulfurization unit equipped with Axens’ Prime G+ catalytic process. The unit includes a selective hydrogenation reactor-splitter and hydrodesulfurization reactor-stabilizer.
An additional six contracts, which involve construction of the project’s related infrastructure, have been awarded to:
• A consortium of UEM Builders Bhd. and Projek Penyelenggaraan Lebuhraya Bhd. for EPCC of temporary common-camp installations and infrastructure.
• Zelan Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the basic design and EPCC of the material offloading facilities jetty at Tanjung Setapa.
• WCT Bhd. for common construction access and permanent roads within the project site.
• Syarikat Ismail Ibrahim Sdn. Bhd. for the temporary access road within the project site.
• Bumi Dagang Sdn. Bhd. for construction of the main haulage road as well as an access road outside the project site.
• Gadang Engineering (M) Sdn. Bhd. and Menta Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the Phase 2 site preparation works.
A Technip-led joint venture with Fluor Corp. is providing project management consultancy on the project, including overall project and site management as well as PMC for specific EPCC packages within RAPID.
Contact Robert Brelsford at [email protected].
HOUSTON, June 27
06/27/2016
By Robert Brelsford
OGJ Downstream Technology Editor
State-run Petronas has reached the halfway point of its long-planned project to build a refinery and petrochemical integrated development (RAPID) complex at Pengerang in southeastern Johor, Malaysia (OGJ Online, May 13, 2011).
“We are now at the midpoint of the project schedule and are on track towards achieving the overall [RAPID] startup in the first quarter of 2019,” said Colin Wong Hee Huing, Petronas senior vice-president and chief executive of Petronas Refinery & Petrochemical Corp. Sdn. Bhd.
The announcement came alongside the delivery on June 25 of major processing equipment for the complex’s steam cracker from South Korea to RAPID’s material offloading facility (MOLF) port in Tanjung Setapa, Johor, which was built specifically to handle imports of heavy-lift, oversized equipment and materials as well as some break-bulk and containerized cargo during construction and implementation of the project.
In addition to a smaller-scale propylene fractionator and ethylene fractionator, the equipment delivery included the main 1,808.6-tonne, 121.3-m high propylene fractionator process column, which, to date, is the tallest and heaviest process column ever to arrive in Malaysia, Petronas said.
With a planned capacity of 300,000 b/d, the RAPID refinery will produce naphtha and LPG feedstock for the petrochemical complex, as well as gasoline and diesel meeting European specifications to help address Asia-Pacific’s growing need for petroleum and petrochemical products.
The $27-28-billion complex will have a combined capacity to produce 7.7 million tonnes/year of various grades of products, including differentiated and specialty chemicals products.
RAPID is part of Petronas’s Pengerang integrated complex, which alongside the refinery and petrochemical production sites, will include six associated facilities, namely the Pengerang cogeneration plant, an LNG regasification terminal, an air-separation unit, a raw-water supply project, a liquid bulk terminal, as well as central and shared utilities and installations.
Contracts overview
Alongside contracts for MOLF, Petronas has let a series of contracts for engineering, procurement, construction, and commissioning for RAPID’s refinery and steam cracker, including:
• Toyo Engineering Corp. and Toyo Engineering & Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the steam cracker complex.
• A consortium of CTCI Corp., Chiyoda Corp., Synerlitz (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd., and MIE Industrial Sdn. Bhd. for the residue fluid catalytic cracking units, LPG treating unit, propylene recovery unit, and caustic neutralization units.
• Sinopec Engineering (Group) Co. Ltd. and Sinopec Engineering Group (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd. for the crude distillation unit, atmospheric residue desulfurization units, and hydrogen collection and distribution units.
• Tecnicas Reunidas SA and Tecnicas Reunidas Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. for the kerosine hydrotreating unit, diesel hydrotreating unit, naphtha hydrotreating unit, cracked-naphtha hydrotreating unit, and continuous catalytic reformer units.
• Petrofac International (UAE) LLC and Petrofac E&C Sdn. Bhd. for the amine recovery units, sulfur recovery units, sour water stripping units, liquid sulfur storage unit, and sulfur solidification units.
The Malaysian operator has awarded contracts for technology licensing at the complex as follows:
• CB&I for steam-cracking technology.
• Technip SA for equipment and technology related to hydrogen production.
• MECS Inc., a subsidiary of EI DuPont de Nemours & Co., for sulfur-removal technology.
Axens SA, Rueil-Malmaison, France, will supply a series of its proprietary processing technologies for the refining portion of the RAPID complex, including:
• A 21,000-b/d hydrotreater equipped with Axens’ naphtha hydrotreating process.
• A 14,000-b/d continuous catalytic regenerator equipped with Axens’ Octanizing process.
• A 30,000-b/d catalytic hydrotreater equipped with Axens’ Prime-K technology.
• A two-trained, 140,000-b/d residue fluid catalytic cracking unit, which includes a propylene recovery section, equipped with Axens’ R2R technology.
• A 75,000-b/d cracked-gasoline desulfurization unit equipped with Axens’ Prime G+ catalytic process. The unit includes a selective hydrogenation reactor-splitter and hydrodesulfurization reactor-stabilizer.
An additional six contracts, which involve construction of the project’s related infrastructure, have been awarded to:
• A consortium of UEM Builders Bhd. and Projek Penyelenggaraan Lebuhraya Bhd. for EPCC of temporary common-camp installations and infrastructure.
• Zelan Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the basic design and EPCC of the material offloading facilities jetty at Tanjung Setapa.
• WCT Bhd. for common construction access and permanent roads within the project site.
• Syarikat Ismail Ibrahim Sdn. Bhd. for the temporary access road within the project site.
• Bumi Dagang Sdn. Bhd. for construction of the main haulage road as well as an access road outside the project site.
• Gadang Engineering (M) Sdn. Bhd. and Menta Construction Sdn. Bhd. for the Phase 2 site preparation works.
A Technip-led joint venture with Fluor Corp. is providing project management consultancy on the project, including overall project and site management as well as PMC for specific EPCC packages within RAPID.
Contact Robert Brelsford at [email protected].
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OK, so what you are saying now is that there HAS BEEN progress made to achieve the vision to develop JB, but that there are still obstacles to be removed?
Or are you saying that whatever changes that have taken place so far are for nought, it is as good as having done nothing at all?
FYI the Pasir Gudang Highway is being upgraded segments by segments. Travel times have improved, except for those parts under upgrading/upsizing. As for lack of water supply, one needs to know the reason for the cut-off. Due to what? Sometimes shit happens and water gets cut-off for some reason. We just have to deal with it when it happens lor, even if it means standing in line to collect water. Life is not always plain sailing, even in "perfect" Singapore things also break down, ya? ;p
Haha, you are low demanding and that "everything is going to be fine" attitude shows that you had already been localized.
Infrastructure is something the authorities plans ahead and not after, you don't start building roads and reservoirs after tens of thousands houses are built.
Like that major trunk road you mentioned, it's heavy with traffic with hundreds of container trailers plying daily, widening is inevitable and was long over due.
And yes, the authorities had been searching for solutions to tackle water shortage only lately and is still searching to date.
So just hope they put their priorities right and make decisions soon because such projects from planning to final completion may take a decade.................so in the meantime, buy extra big buckets, just in case.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nati...exploring-potential-solutions-to-water-issue/
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When in Rome live as Romans do. LOL! Malaysia is different from Singapore, so as a Singaporean I think I should not demand the same of Malaysia as I would for Singapore. That's just being realistic. Whether the JB govt put the cart before the horse or not, so long as they are trying to set things right it is a good sign. I mean, if now they are improving the roads and you still say "should have been done earlier lah!" then I also nothing to say in reply, to me this is a good thing, still better late than never.
To be fair to Johor, I think the problem is that the previous MB was just sleeping on the job..
There's a lot of things to improve and fix.. And with the present structure whereby the purse strings are controlled by Putrajaya, it's just difficult for them to get funding to improve infrastructure as fast as they can or want.
But I think the current leadership is doing pretty good job together with the Sultan..
I just hope that they're able to get enough funds to make things happen
There's a lot of things to improve and fix.. And with the present structure whereby the purse strings are controlled by Putrajaya, it's just difficult for them to get funding to improve infrastructure as fast as they can or want.
But I think the current leadership is doing pretty good job together with the Sultan..
I just hope that they're able to get enough funds to make things happen
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