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How deadly is covid-19?

Sweden adds further restrictions on outdoor gatherings as coronavirus cases hit record highs
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The Swedish Government has announced new restrictions on the size of public gatherings as the country seeks to come to grips with a second wave of the pandemic that has seen record daily numbers of new cases and growing pressure on hospitals.

Key points:
The new restrictions come into force on November 24 and will last for at least four weeks
The Swedish Government has shunned lockdowns and widespread use of face masks
More than 6,000 people with COVID-19 have died in Sweden since the pandemic began
Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said Swedes were not sticking to coronavirus recommendations as well as they did in the spring and public gatherings would be limited to eight people, down from a previous upper limit of 300.

"This is the new norm for the entire society," Mr Lofven told a news conference.

"Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."

Mr Lofven said that the situation would get worse and appealed to Swedes to "do your duty" and "take responsibility to stop the spread" of COVID-19.

The Prime Minister's announcement comes after the Government, as recently as Friday, announced its strategy would not change.

The Nordic nation of 10 million people, whose soft-touch approach to combating the virus has drawn worldwide attention — and harsh domestic criticism from some — has seen a surge in the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in recent weeks.

At 5,990, the number of new cases reported on Friday was the highest since the start of the pandemic.

A further 42 deaths were also recorded, the most for about three months.

The Swedish Government said last week that it would impose a nationwide ban on the sale of alcohol in bars, restaurants and night clubs after 10:00pm from November 20.

Restrictions could be extended through Christmas and New Year
People get off a bus. Two women at the front of the crowd are walking together smiling, one wearing a thick winter coat
Sweden's Government is implementing stricter coronavirus restrictions in response to a growing number of cases.(Reuters/TT News Agency: Claudio Bresciani)
Swedish Interior Minister Mikael Damberg said the new limit on gatherings — far lower the 50 allowed during the spring outbreak — would begin on November 24 and be in place for four weeks but could be extended to run over the Christmas and New Year holidays.

Sweden has gained international attention for its unorthodox response to the pandemic, shunning lockdowns and widespread use of face masks and instead relying on mainly voluntary measures even as the pandemic hit the country increasingly hard.

More than 6,000 people with COVID-19 have died in Sweden since the pandemic began, a death rate per capita several times higher than that of its Nordic neighbours, if somewhat lower than some larger European countries such as Spain.

"We don't believe in a total lockdown," Mr Lofven said.

"We believe that the measures we have taken … are appropriate."
 
Why rich countries are so vulnerable to covid-19
Based on people’s age alone, you would expect the disease to be ten times more deadly in Italy than in Uganda
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Nov 16th 2020
NEARLY A YEAR into the pandemic, researchers have identified dozens of factors that can increase a person’s chances of dying from covid-19, including hypertension, diabetes and obesity. But the biggest risk factor of all is being old. People in their 60s are twice as likely to die of covid-19 as are those in their 50s; the mortality rate of 70-somethings is higher still. Indeed, the probability of dying from the disease roughly doubles for every eight years of age. This helps to explain why older, richer countries have fared worse than expected in the pandemic, compared to younger, poorer ones.
To estimate a country’s vulnerability to covid-19, The Economist has combined population data from the United Nations with age-specific infection fatality rates (IFRs) for the disease. The latter was estimated using data from Brazil, Denmark, England, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and parts of Switzerland and the United States. From these data we calculated an age-adjusted IFR: the probability that a randomly selected person from a given country would die if stricken with covid-19, assuming access to health care similar to that available in the sample countries.

We find that, all else being equal, Japan is more vulnerable to covid-19 than any other country in the world. With a median age of 48, it has an expected IFR of 1.3%. Italy, with a median age of 47, comes next at, 1.1%. Europe as a whole has an expected IFR of 0.9%, by our reckoning, higher than that of America (0.7%), China (0.5%) or India (0.3%). Countries in Africa, meanwhile, have an age-adjusted IFR of less than 0.2%. Least vulnerable of all is Uganda, where the median age is just 17 and the expected IFR is a mere 0.1%, less than a tenth that of Japan or Italy.

Of course, all else is not equal. Other risk factors, such as obesity and smoking, vary significantly across countries. Health-care systems vary, too. Most important of all, fatality rates only matter to those who are infected in the first place, and infection rates vary from country to country, not least because of different social-distancing rules and degrees of compliance with them. Nevertheless, knowing countries’ age-adjusted IFR is useful. It allows for fairer comparisons between countries. It also drives home the importance of keeping infections under control, especially in places with lots of older people such as Japan and much of Europe
 
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Sweden adds further restrictions on outdoor gatherings as coronavirus cases hit record highs
Posted 1h
Play Video. Duration: 56 seconds
Prime Minister Stefan Lofven urges Swedes to stay at home and cancel plans to stem a rising wave of infections.
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The Swedish Government has announced new restrictions on the size of public gatherings as the country seeks to come to grips with a second wave of the pandemic that has seen record daily numbers of new cases and growing pressure on hospitals.

Key points:
The new restrictions come into force on November 24 and will last for at least four weeks
The Swedish Government has shunned lockdowns and widespread use of face masks
More than 6,000 people with COVID-19 have died in Sweden since the pandemic began
Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said Swedes were not sticking to coronavirus recommendations as well as they did in the spring and public gatherings would be limited to eight people, down from a previous upper limit of 300.

"This is the new norm for the entire society," Mr Lofven told a news conference.

"Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."

Mr Lofven said that the situation would get worse and appealed to Swedes to "do your duty" and "take responsibility to stop the spread" of COVID-19.

The Prime Minister's announcement comes after the Government, as recently as Friday, announced its strategy would not change.

The Nordic nation of 10 million people, whose soft-touch approach to combating the virus has drawn worldwide attention — and harsh domestic criticism from some — has seen a surge in the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in recent weeks.

At 5,990, the number of new cases reported on Friday was the highest since the start of the pandemic.

A further 42 deaths were also recorded, the most for about three months.

The Swedish Government said last week that it would impose a nationwide ban on the sale of alcohol in bars, restaurants and night clubs after 10:00pm from November 20.

Restrictions could be extended through Christmas and New Year
People get off a bus. Two women at the front of the crowd are walking together smiling, one wearing a thick winter coat
Sweden's Government is implementing stricter coronavirus restrictions in response to a growing number of cases.(Reuters/TT News Agency: Claudio Bresciani)
Swedish Interior Minister Mikael Damberg said the new limit on gatherings — far lower the 50 allowed during the spring outbreak — would begin on November 24 and be in place for four weeks but could be extended to run over the Christmas and New Year holidays.

Sweden has gained international attention for its unorthodox response to the pandemic, shunning lockdowns and widespread use of face masks and instead relying on mainly voluntary measures even as the pandemic hit the country increasingly hard.

More than 6,000 people with COVID-19 have died in Sweden since the pandemic began, a death rate per capita several times higher than that of its Nordic neighbours, if somewhat lower than some larger European countries such as Spain.

"We don't believe in a total lockdown," Mr Lofven said.

"We believe that the measures we have taken … are appropriate."

Sweden excess mortality is well below average. There is no reason for a lockdown.

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So we all can go out and happy go lucky to pubs again. Eat satay with beer?
 
The origins of COVID-19 are 12 months old and here's what we know about how it started
By Catherine Taylor
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We may never identify the first person with COVID-19, or exactly how they contracted it.(AP: Kin Cheung)
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This time last year — as China's perishing winter descended across most of the country — rumours about a strange new flu were beginning to circulate in Wuhan.
On China's social media platform WeChat, users had been discussing their coughs and colds for weeks with words like "SARS" and "shortness of breath" spiking from mid-November.

By early December, a so-called "pneumonia of unknown origin" had been identified, and patients — many of them workers or customers of a well-known market — were finding their way to Wuhan's hospitals for treatment.
As we close in on 12 months of life with this pandemic — with puzzling beginnings that have led to more than 54 million global infections and 1.3 million deaths, affecting almost every nation on earth, upending economies and lifestyles, sparking political tensions — the most fundamental questions remain unanswered: Where did it come from? Who was its first victim?
The hunt for 'Patient Zero'
These are mysteries that may never be solved, says Professor Edward Holmes, a leading virologist at the University of Sydney, and recently named NSW Scientist of the Year, who was among the first in the world to map the genome of SARS-CoV-2.
"You know, it sounds like a cliche but it's really needle in a haystack stuff," he says of the search for the origins of the virus. "It may actually depend on going into exactly the right cave and sampling exactly the right bat. It could be that chancy. It's not a simple thing to do."
In the movie Contagion, Gwyneth Paltrow's character gives the impression that one dodgy meal and clever use of CCTV footage can lead us to Patient Zero and bingo, the mystery is unravelled.
Yet exactly how COVID-19 came into being, and who its first human victim was — the so-called "Index Case" — is a "hypothetical construct", according to Holmes.

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"It sounds good in the movies to go back and find the person who was first exposed to the bat, but the chance of ever finding that in reality is almost zero," he says.
But that hasn't stopped people trying.
One widely republished report suggests a 55-year-old Hubei man was the first to become infected with coronavirus exactly 12 months ago today, on November 17. But the information has not been corroborated.
There are also suspicions the roots of the virus could have emerged even earlier.
On September 18, Wuhan's Tianhe Airport Customs received a report that an inbound passenger "was unwell, respiratory distress and unstable vital signs". An early case of COVID-19? Or just a bad cold and a coincidence?
There's a problem with the hunt for 'patient zero'

The search for the source of disease outbreaks like COVID-19 is compelling and important. It's also more complicated than you might think.
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Other reports point to Spanish sewage samples from March 2019 that found fragments of COVID-19 during retrospective tests.
And just this week reports of COVID cases in Italy as early as September have been suggested.
Holmes scoffs at these accounts.
"I just don't find those reports in any way credible and I don't think anyone really does," he says. "Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. Unless they have the genomic sequence, I don't think anyone really believes that."
We can deduce when COVID emerged in humans
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Professor Edward Holmes believes genomic data suggests COVID-19 emerged in humans about November last year.(Australian Academy Of Science)
Holmes' resoluteness rests on the fact that for all the mystery surrounding COVID-19, the mathematics of the virus is relentlessly dependable.
While medicine and epidemiology have unravelled the fundamentals of when carriers are most infectious and how the disease spreads, virologists like Holmes can make deductions about how long it has been circulating and what it's likely to do next.
Different strains of COVID-19 can all be tracked to a common "ancestor", the implication being that this ancestor virus marks the general period during which the virus "jumped" from animals to humans.
"If you look at the genomic data, you can try and date when they diverged and if you do that, the most likely ancestor date is around about November last year," Holmes says.
A quick biology lesson
A woman wearing a hat and face masks walks down an aisle, with butcher shop meat on either side.

The virus may have jumped from animals to humans at a wet market or the market may have hosted a superspreader.(Reuters: Tingshu Wang)
A quick and basic biology lesson on the virus goes like this: a virus exists in an animal — the leading candidate is a bat. At some point the bat virus is transmitted to another animal that is in closer contact with humans and then some time after that, the virus infects its first human. Maybe a fragment of faeces or mucus from the animal is absorbed, or it could be transmitted after being eaten.
It's not possible to know precisely how long before being detected in humans this transmission happened. Holmes uses the example of HIV which is believed to have jumped from chimps to humans in the 1920s, maybe while the animal was being butchered for food, but only became widely known in the 1980s when it spread to a level that allowed patterns to become evident in the community.
In the case of COVID-19, several mutations may have existed in humans prior to November 2019, but for one reason or another they died out, leaving just one powerful mutation. Perhaps that mutation was caught by a superspreader, leading to the current pandemic.
Enter the superspreader
What is a wet market?
Men stand among meat in a wet market in China.
Wet markets have been forever linked to coronavirus, thanks to those early cases at Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Market last year.
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That's where the now infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan comes in.
While it's possible that one of the animals on sale at that market was the creature that transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to humans, that does not have to be the case.
Perhaps the virus was transmitted to humans somewhere else and the market was merely the site of a superspreader event that "amplified" the disease into the wider community.
On December 31, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission formally announced an outbreak of what we now know as SARS-Cov-2. Two days later lab reports confirmed that 41 people had been hospitalised with the disease.
Yiwan Lee remembers watching frustration rise on social media as evidence gathered that something was seriously wrong in Wuhan, but China's official media was silent. At other times stories appeared briefly, only to be hidden behind the country's Great Firewall just as fast.
"On the one hand what we saw on TV made everything look great," she says. "Then when you switch to your phone, everyone is posting about how terrible the situation is."
Heading into the heart of the crisis
New York Times reporter Chris Buckley standing on a street in Beijing

Australian-born New York Times reporter Chris Buckley spent 76 days in Wuhan during the lockdown.(ABC News: Bill Birtles)
Early on January 23, a few weeks after Holmes had uploaded the COVID sequence to global acclaim, and just hours before Wuhan's lockdown was due to take effect, The New York Times newspaper sent a message to its staff in China: who is willing to report from the stricken city?
Information about the virus remained sketchy and accusations that the Chinese government had not been transparent about the scale of the unfolding crisis meant having a reporter on the ground seemed the best way to learn what was going on.
With public transport out of Wuhan heaving with residents anxious to escape the city before shut down, Chris Buckley — an experienced journalist for the Times, fluent in Chinese, with a PhD in Chinese Communist Party history — began heading the other way.
"I thought it would be a big story, but I don't think anybody anticipated what would happen," says Buckley, who spent more than 70 days confined to the city. "I threw some clothes in a bag, some hand sanitiser, and I thought I would be there for a week, maybe two."
It must have felt like heading towards a war zone and the mood on the train was tense but resigned, Buckley remembers. A fellow passenger noted pragmatically "If you are the panicky type you are not on this train".
Buckley wasn't panicky. Originally from Sydney, he had been a China resident for most of the past three decades, until being forced to leave in May. Over the years he had covered SARS, earthquakes and the suppression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Surely Wuhan was just another assignment.
'A pretty big deal'

Even in authoritarian China, shutting down a city was "a pretty big deal" Buckley reflects now. And doing so in Wuhan — a huge industrial city and transport hub that straddled the famous Yangze River, with a population of more than 11 million — the task seemed monumental.
Knowing what we do now about the rapid spread of COVID-19, the decision seems prophetic.
"I just couldn't imagine how it was going to work," he says. "Even a government as powerful as China's under Xi Jinping didn't arrive at that decision [to lock down the city] lightly."
As the bullet train pulled into Wuhan that day, Buckley suspected he may be about to walk into a large-scale security operation designed to control population movements. But the city was calm. He caught a taxi to a nearby hospital and found people lining up at fever clinics to be tested.
As he spoke with them, Buckley noted a wide "backwash of anger" against the local government.
"There was a conviction that the government had played down or hidden some of the evidence that the virus was spreading," he says. "People in the city had acknowledged for some time that there were growing numbers of people going to fever clinics, and experiencing these pneumonia-like symptoms that could be very, very severe in some cases."
But the story of coronavirus in China is not just a story of complacency, Buckley believes.
"It's a much more complicated set of issues. You do have heroes, you have doctors in Wuhan and other parts of China who really pushed [to get the situation addressed]."
What happens next
Finding that animal or species that transferred COVID-19 to humans is of critical importance, Holmes believes, and the World Health Organisation has released a plan to search for the zoonotic origins of the virus.
Right now, the COVID-19 genome is around 96 per cent compatible with coronaviruses that have known animal hosts. But that's just not close enough. It equates to around 30 years of missing evolution.
"The key thing to do is fill in that gap," says Holmes. "Thirty-or-so years of missing 'stuff'."
A little red flying fox carries her baby across the sky as she heads out for a night of foraging in tropical fruit trees.

Bats are fascinating mammals but they often play a key role in zoonotic transfer of disease.(Supplied: Jurgen Freund)
The WHO investigators — alongside the work Chinese experts are already doing — will focus on hunting for an animal with a coronavirus that is a 99 per cent match.
That's where the needle in a haystack metaphor comes in — the task ahead is monumental and the only way to attack it is with old-fashioned detective work: sampling animals until a match is found. It's hard, hard work with no guaranteed result.
"It could take years and it's possible we might never find it," says Holmes, using the example of Hepatitis C, a virus which affects millions and has done for decades, "but we still don't know where it came from".
The link to Ebola and Zika
The rise of so-called zoonotic diseases over recent decades — from Ebola and HIV to SARS, Zika and more — is not just bad luck. It relates directly to the way we live now, Holmes argues.
An oral history of Ebola

West Africa's Ebola outbreak was 'catastrophic' — here's the story of how it was contained.
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While humans have always existed alongside both wild, farmed and domesticated animals, with potential for virus transmission ever present, the difference now is profound, he believes.
"We live in these mega cities with globally connected populations, we expose ourselves to wildlife more by deforestation and the wildlife trade," he says. "All those things are fuelling these pandemics."
He argues a focus on finding Patient Zero is misplaced effort. The more important task is to find out what species gave rise to the virus.
"We must find out where it happened and then cut that route off. If it's the wildlife trade, we need to clamp down on that. If it's farming, we need to commit to cut down on those things. We need to find out so we can plug the holes."
A dying cell (greenish-brown) heavily infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus particles (pink), isolated from a patient sample.

A dying cell (greenish-brown) heavily infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus particles (pink).(National Institute Of Allergy And Infectious Diseases, NIH)Law, not just science, is the next step
This is a topic that Katie Woolaston, a wildlife lawyer from Queensland University of Technology, is passionate about. She sees a pivotal role for law, alongside science, in reducing the future risk of pandemics.
"The risk of pandemics is increasing because of our relationship with biodiversity and our relationship with the environment," she says, noting climate change, wildlife trade and agricultural expansion as factors pushing humans into animal spaces.
Woolaston — who co-authored a report for the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES) into the animal origins of pandemics — argues that stronger environmental laws can play a role in preventing future pandemics. She advocates for a "one health" approach in which policy considers human health alongside environmental health and economic development.
What does the future look like?

Woolaston and Holmes are at pains to convey the idea that preparing for the next pandemic is embedded within these environmental concerns.
There is no simple medical answer that can save us. Even a vaccine can't offer an ongoing solution because viruses mutate, and zoonotic transmission has an almost limitless crucible of potential future viruses to draw from.
"I've heard the narrative that this is a once in 100-year pandemic, a jolt to the system," Holmes says. "But that's just completely wrong. The rate at which these things are occurring is escalating. We will not wait 100 years for the next one. It could be in 10 years. Or next year."
But Holmes hopes that the dramatic impact of COVID-19 will spur governments and populations into action. "I can't believe as a species we would let this happen again without learning the lessons," he says. "We absolutely have to and I'm reasonably confident that we will."
In the meantime, only one thing is certain: COVID-19 is not done with us yet.
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Top 10 footballers who tested positive for COVID-19
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Many high-profile players have contracted the widespread virus in the recent few weeks.
Since the coronavirus pandemic took over the world in 2020, several high-profile players and managers have unfortunately contracted the virus despite adhering to social distancing norms in their daily lives. Players like Paul Pogba, Neymar and Paulo Dybala and managers like Mikel Arteta, Diego Simeone and David Moyes among others have been found Covid-19 positive in recent weeks.
Since the Covid-19 pandemic has affected the whole world, it has also changed the football scene dramatically. From playing in empty stadiums to sitting in the dugout with facemasks on, football has had to do its fair share of adjustment to continue to function.
However, some players and staff members still managed to get infected by the coronavirus despite taking every precaution possible, mainly due to off the field factors. We have compiled a list of top ten footballers that have been tested positive for Covid-19 yet.

Callum Hudson-Odoi
Chelsea youngster Callum Hudson-Odoi had released a video confirming that he had contracted the coronavirus in March earlier this year. This led to Chelsea closing off their training facilities temporarily and everyone that came into close contact with the Englishman was asked to self-isolate.

Keylor Navas
Just before the start of the current French Ligue 1 campaign, six Paris Saint-Germain stars were found positive for the coronavirus and including them was the goalkeeper, Keylor Navas as well. The players were swiftly asked to self-isolate and recovered soon.
Daniele Rugani
Juventus’ defender Daniele Rugani was one of the earliest reported cases of Covid-19 from the Italian Serie A. The centre-back released a statement following the revelation of him being positive to Covid-19 and said, “I urge everyone to respect the rules, because this virus makes no distinctions! Let’s do it for ourselves, for our loved ones and for those around us.”
Kylian Mbappe
On September 8 2020, Kylian Mbappe also found himself positive to Covid-19 which made him miss out on his national duty for France in the UEFA Nations League fixture against Croatia. Incidentally, he was the seventh PSG player to have contracted the virus after the six players were tested positive. Mbappe since has made a full recovery but is yet to reach optimum match fitness.

Marquinhos
Paris Saint-Germain seemed to have really failed to control their players’ pre-season movements as their long-time serving defender Marquinhos also reported positive to Covid-19 along with six other first-team players.

Paulo Dybala
Juventus and Argentina forward, Paulo Dybala was found positive to Covid-19 not once but four times. After announcing back in March that he and his girlfriend had been tested positive for coronavirus, Dybala was tested several times and was found Covid-19 positive four times by the end of April. Since then, the attacker has managed to adhere to social distancing norms and avoided a fifth positive test.
Angel Di Maria
Another senior figure in the PSG squad who contracted coronavirus was Angel Di Maria. He was reportedly one of the six players that recently failed to follow social distancing guidelines in the pre-season and ended up catching the virus. The Argentine made a quick recovery after isolating away from the rest of the squad.
Paul Pogba
A fortnight before Manchester United’s opening game of the new Premier League campaign. Paul Pogba reportedly was found positive to Covid-19 in the latest round of testing. MUFC have also been one of the clubs criticised for not controlling their players’ postseason movements, making them more exposed. Pogba has since recovered, but has lacked match fitness due to lack of training.
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The Brazilian superstar Neymar also contracted coronavirus during the preseason festivities along with his PSG teammates in Ibiza, Spain. The fact that six first-team players reported positive made PSG’s loss in their first game of the season against RC Lens. None of the six players featured in 1-0 loss on 10 September.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Zlatan Ibrahimovic reported positive for Covid-19 a day after helping his current employers, AC Milan win their Serie A fixture against Bologna. The Swede scored a brace in the 2-0 victory after signing another year extension with the Azzurri. The forward has since self-isolated and is on the way to make a full recovery soon.

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Actually since then a lot more. How many have died or gone ICU?

ZERO.
 
So why do you think countries rather destroy their economies even when they have overwhelming data its not deadly? Thats the question.




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Health and medical information grounded in science
How deadly is covid-19?

September 2020 was the least deadly month in Swedish history, in terms of number of deaths per 100,000 population. Ever. And I don’t mean the least deadly September, I mean the least deadly month. Ever. To me, this is pretty clear evidence of two things. First, that covid is not a very deadly disease. And second, that Sweden has herd immunity.

When I posted this information on my twitter feed, the response from proponents of further lockdown was that the reason September was such an un-deadly month, was because everyone has already died earlier in the pandemic. To me, that seems like a pretty self-defeating argument. Why?

Because 6,000 people have died of covid in Sweden, a country with a population of 10,000,000 people. 6,000 people is 0,06% of the population. If it is enough for that tiny a fraction of a population to die of a pandemic for the pandemic to peter out so completely that a country can have its least deadly month ever, then the pandemic was never that deadly to begin with.

In August, I wrote an article where I proposed that the mortality for covid is only 0,12%, roughly the same as influenza. That number was based on a back-of-the-envelope calculation. I figured that, since the death rate had dropped continuously for months and was at very low levels, Sweden must have reached a point where it had herd immunity. And I figured that at least 50% of the population must have been infected for herd immunity to have been reached. 50% of Sweden’s population is five million people. 6,000 / 5,000,000 = 0,12%

At the beginning of October, one of the World Health Organisation’s executive directors, Mike Ryan, said that the WHO estimated that 750 million people had so far been infected with covid. At that point, one million people had died of the disease. That gives a death rate for covid of 0,13% . So the WHO said that the death rate is 0,13% . Not too far off my earlier back-of-envelope estimation. This of course begs the question why there are continued lockdowns for a disease that is no worse than the flu.

A short while later, the WHO released an analysis by professor John Ioannidis, with his estimate of the covid death rate. This analysis was based on seroprevalance data, i.e. data on how many people were shown to have antibodies to covid in their bloodstream at different times in different countries, which was correlated with the number of deaths in those countries. Through this analysis, professor Ioannidis reached the conclusion that covid has an overall mortality rate of around 0,23% (in other words, one in 434 infected people die of the disease). For people under the age of seventy, the mortality rate was estimated at 0,05% (in other words, one in 2,000 infected people under the age of 70 die of the disease).

As I’ve discussed before, I don’t think antibody data gives a very complete picture, since there are studies showing that a lot of people don’t produce measurable antibodies in their bloodstreams, but still have immunity, either thanks to a T-cell response, or thanks to local antibody production in the respiratory tract. So I think that the fatality rate is significantly lower than what the analysis by professory Ioannidis found, and more in line with what the WHO stated earlier in October.

But even if the antibody based number is the correct number, then covid still is not a very deadly disease. For comparison, the 1918 flu pandemic is thought to have had an infection fatality rate of 2,5%, i.e. one in forty infected people died. So the 1918 flu was 11 times more deadly than covid if you go by professor Ioannidis antibody based numbers, and 19 times more deadly than covid if you go by the fatality rate provided 12 days earlier by the WHO’s Mike Ryan.

And this is missing one big point about covid. The average person who dies from covid is over 80 years old and has multiple underlying health conditions. In other words, their life expectancy is very short. The average person who died in the 1918 pandemic was in their late 20’s. So each death in the 1918 pandemic actually meant around 50 years more of life lost per person than each death in the covid pandemic. Multiply that by the fact that it had a 19 times higher death rate, and the 1918 flu was in fact 950 times more deadly than covid, in terms its capacity to shorten people’s lives.

Ok, I’ve discussed the fatality rate of the 1918 flu pandemic, and compared that to covid. But what about the fatality rate of the common cold viruses that are constantly circulating in society? How does covid compare to them?

Many people think that the common cold viruses are harmless. But in fact, among elderly people with underlying health conditions, they are frequently deadly. A study carried out in 2017 found that, among frail elderly people, rhinovirus is actually more deadly than regular influenza. In that study, the 30 day mortality for frail elderly people admitted to hospital due to a rhinovirus infection was 10% . For frail elderly people admitted to hospital due to influenza, 30 day mortality was 7% .

What is my point? If you are old and frail, and have underlying health conditions, then even that most harmless of all infections, the so called “common cold”, can be deadly. In fact, it often is. Covid-19 is not a unique disease, and does not appear to have a noticeably higher mortality rate than the so called “common cold”.

There is one final aspect to all this that needs to be discussed. And that is the effect of covid on overall mortality. If it turns out that covid has no effect on overall mortality, then that really brings in to question why we are locking down, since we’re not actually preventing any deaths. So, what is the effect of covid on overall mortality?

Let’s look at Sweden, since that is perhaps the country that has taken the most relaxed approach of any to preventing spread, and which should therefore also reasonably be expected to have had the highest impact on its overall death rate. From January to September 2020, Sweden experienced 675 deaths per 100,000 population. That is less than both 2017 and 2018. In fact, 2020 is so far the third least deadly year in Swedish history.

What does this mean? It means that covid, a supposedly deadly viral pandemic, has not killed enough Swedes to have any noticeable impact on overall mortality.

How can this be explained, when we know that 6,000 Swedes have died of covid?

As I see it, there are two possible explanations. The first is that most people who died “of” covid actually died with covid. In other words, they had a positive covid test and were therefore characterized as covid deaths, when the actual cause of death was something else. The second is that most people who died of covid were so old, and so frail, and had so many underlying health conditions, that even without covid, they would have died by now. There are no other reasonable explanations.

I am not saying that covid is nothing, or that it doesn’t exist. I am saying that it is a virus with a marginal effect on longevity. And yet, public policy in most countries has been driven by doomsday scenarios based on completely unrealistic numbers. To put it simply, we’ve acted like we’re dealing with a global ebola outbreak, when covid is much more like the common cold.

You might also enjoy reading my article about why I think Sweden has herd immunity, or enjoy watching my conversation with Ivor Cummins of Fat Emperor about covid-19.
 
So why do you think countries rather destroy their economies even when they have overwhelming data its not deadly? Thats the question.

Because in this current environment covid cases and death counts have become the defining parameters with which to measure government performance. Nothing else seems to matter.

The politicians have picked up on this and realised that exploiting the fear factor will buy them valuable political capital.

You only have to look at NZ's PM she's hopeless when it comes to the economy yet won the last election by a landslide because she succeeded in "eliminating" covid during the period when it mattered most ie the run up to the election.

Before covid appeared on the scene the National party was polling at 43% while the labor party was stuck in the low 30s.

After her apparent success in dealing with covid the labor party's popularity soared to well over 50% while the National party dropped to 25%. The majority of the electorate forgot all about the fact that none of Jacinda Arden's election promises had been met. They were all fawning over the PM because of her divine power of saving their lives from a deadly plague.
 
Its obvious we all over reacted to the virus thinking it was like Sars or Ebola.
 
:FU: @Leongsam

https://news.yahoo.com/virus-deaths-approach-spring-record-160241630.html
Virus Deaths Approach Spring Record Amid Changing U.S. Crisis

On April 15, the United States reached a grim nadir in the pandemic: 2,752 people across the country were reported to have died from COVID-19 that Wednesday, more than on any day before or since.

For months, the record stood as a reminder of the pain the coronavirus was inflicting on the nation, and a warning of its deadly potential. But now, after seven desperate months trying to contain the virus, daily deaths are rising sharply and fast approaching that dreadful count again.

How the virus kills in America, though, has changed in profound ways.


Months of suffering have provided a horrific but valuable education: Doctors and nurses know better how to treat patients who contract the virus and how to prevent severe cases from ending in fatality, and a far smaller proportion of people who catch the virus are dying from it than in the spring, experts say.

Yet the sheer breadth of the current outbreak means that the cost in lives lost every day is still climbing. More than 170,000 Americans are now testing positive for the virus on an average day, straining hospitals across much of the country, including in many states that had seemed to avoid the worst of the pandemic. More than 1.1 million people tested positive in the past week alone.

At the peak of the spring wave in April, about 31,000 new cases were announced each day, though that was a vast undercount because testing capacity was extremely limited. Still, the toll of the virus was an abstraction for many Americans because deaths were concentrated in a handful of states like New York, New Jersey and Louisiana.

Now the deaths are scattered widely across the entire nation, and there is hardly a community that has not been affected. On Wednesday, when 2,300 deaths were reported nationwide — the highest toll since May — only three counties reported a toll of more than 20.
 
:FU: @Leongsam

https://news.yahoo.com/virus-deaths-approach-spring-record-160241630.html
Virus Deaths Approach Spring Record Amid Changing U.S. Crisis

On April 15, the United States reached a grim nadir in the pandemic: 2,752 people across the country were reported to have died from COVID-19 that Wednesday, more than on any day before or since.

For months, the record stood as a reminder of the pain the coronavirus was inflicting on the nation, and a warning of its deadly potential. But now, after seven desperate months trying to contain the virus, daily deaths are rising sharply and fast approaching that dreadful count again.

How the virus kills in America, though, has changed in profound ways.


Months of suffering have provided a horrific but valuable education: Doctors and nurses know better how to treat patients who contract the virus and how to prevent severe cases from ending in fatality, and a far smaller proportion of people who catch the virus are dying from it than in the spring, experts say.

Yet the sheer breadth of the current outbreak means that the cost in lives lost every day is still climbing. More than 170,000 Americans are now testing positive for the virus on an average day, straining hospitals across much of the country, including in many states that had seemed to avoid the worst of the pandemic. More than 1.1 million people tested positive in the past week alone.

At the peak of the spring wave in April, about 31,000 new cases were announced each day, though that was a vast undercount because testing capacity was extremely limited. Still, the toll of the virus was an abstraction for many Americans because deaths were concentrated in a handful of states like New York, New Jersey and Louisiana.

Now the deaths are scattered widely across the entire nation, and there is hardly a community that has not been affected. On Wednesday, when 2,300 deaths were reported nationwide — the highest toll since May — only three counties reported a toll of more than 20.

Deaths always increase in the winter months. Absolutely nothing to worry about.
 
USA doing very well along with Sweden.

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Let's put things in perspective....


Child mortality is an everyday tragedy of enormous scale that rarely makes the headlines

56 million people in the world died in 2017. How old were they when their lives ended?

The answer can be seen in the bar chart. It shows all deaths in the world by age in five-year age groups, starting with the youngest on the left towards the oldest age group (95+ years) on the right.

What stands out is the death toll for the very youngest age-group. 5.4 million children died before they had their fifth birthday. On any average day, that’s 15,000 young children.

The suffering and dying of children remains immense, yet these daily tragedies continue without receiving the attention this injustice deserves. A comparison of the tragedy of child deaths with those tragedies that do receive public attention puts it in perspective. A large jumbo jet can carry up to 620 passengers.1
The number of child deaths is that of 24 jumbo jet crashes, with only children on board, every single day.

Single events – such as plane crashes – always make the headlines. Daily tragedies – even the worst ones like the deaths of thousands of children – never make the headlines.

Every case of a family losing a child is a tragedy, regardless of how common or uncommon the cause. Spectacular events that grab global attention in the media are not more important than everyday human suffering. But unfortunately this is not how our minds and our media work. What we focus our attention on are either the spectacular tragedies (natural disasters, terrorist attacks, crime) or new problems (fake news, risks from automation). The first category keeps the breaking news cycle running, the second category keeps the op-ed writers employed. But in many aspects the biggest threats to our lives are the same threats that all the generations that came before us have faced. And this seems unfortunately to be true for what kills children around the world; it’s neither new nor spectacular.

A newspaper that would cover the most important facts about the last 24 hours would cover the 15,000 child deaths on its cover page every day.
 
USA doing very well along with Sweden.

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Sam,

I just stumbled upon this document. For whatever reason, cut and paste results in total gibberish. But it supports your analyses all the way.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...se-identification-age-only-template.pdf?la=en

There's still a bit of fudge in the text, but combined with the info from here :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

I'm pretty confident in your conclusion now.

you were the 1st to say so. credit where credit is due. :thumbsup:

If anything, the old folks who are afraid of dying should be locked up for the rest of the world to keep on living.
 
Sam,

I just stumbled upon this document. For whatever reason, cut and paste results in total gibberish. But it supports your analyses all the way.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...se-identification-age-only-template.pdf?la=en

There's still a bit of fudge in the text, but combined with the info from here :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

I'm pretty confident in your conclusion now.

you were the 1st to say so. credit where credit is due. :thumbsup:

If anything, the old folks who are afraid of dying should be locked up for the rest of the world to keep on living.
The old folks, if they are healthy, need not be imprisoned. Only 20% fatality for over 80 i think.
 
https://news.yahoo.com/long-darkness-dawn-132745417.html

Our failure to protect ourselves has caught up to us.
The nation now must endure a critical period of transition, one that threatens to last far too long, as we set aside justifiable optimism about next spring and confront the dark winter ahead. Some public health researchers predict that the death toll by March could be close to twice the 250,000 figure that the nation surpassed only last week.
 
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