Hooray! China gets its first aircraft carrier

[pallkia]

This is a trial carrier, not the real thing yet. They will build a real one only after operating this n gaining experience from this carrier. In the meantime, hundreds of millions starving in China

You are very right Bro,

Millions of Chinese are indeed starving to get knowledge,technology and get rich.

 

[HotDogWater]

I wonder why do you celebrate when mainland Chinese had always deemed oversea chinese as traitors and inferiros.

You enjoy been spitted at and swallow their spits?

And don't be surprised, they think of us as worthy of being as their serfs, that's all. Even Hong Kongers, whose territories were returned to China in 1997, are regarded as "British dogs".

 

[Agoraphobic]

Curious - what aircraft will be deployed on the carrier? Anything matching the F-18 Hornet?

Cheers!

Chinese navy takes delivery of first aircraft carrier
AFP September 23, 201211:17PM

 

[Kinana]

Using Chinese variant of Su 33. Cannot match F18.

 

[rolleyes]

China carrier a show of force as Japan tension festers

China's first aircraft carrier, which was renovated from an old aircraft carrier that China bought from Ukraine in 1998, is seen docked at Dalian Port, in Dalian, Liaoning province in this September Credit: REUTERS/Stringer/Files

By Kiyoshi Takenaka and Terril Yue Jones
TOKYO/BEIJING | Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:21am EDT

(Reuters) - China sent its first aircraft carrier into formal service on Tuesday amid a tense maritime dispute with Japan in a show of force that could worry its neighbors.

China's Ministry of Defense said the newly named Liaoning aircraft carrier would "raise the overall operational strength of the Chinese navy" and help Beijing to "effectively protect national sovereignty, security and development interests".

In fact, the aircraft carrier, refitted from a ship bought from Ukraine, will have a limited role, mostly for training and testing ahead of the possible launch of China's first domestically built carriers after 2015, analysts say.

China cast the formal handing over of the carrier to its navy -- attended by President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao -- as a triumphant show of national strength at a time of tensions with Japan over islands claimed by both sides.

"The smooth commissioning of the first aircraft carrier has important and profound meaning for modernizing our navy and for enhancing national defensive power and the country's overall strength," Xinhua news agency cited Wen as saying at the commissioning ceremony in the northern port of Dalian.

Sino-Japanese relations deteriorated sharply this month after Japan bought the East China Sea islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, from their private owner, sparking anti-Japan protests across China.

"China will never tolerate any bilateral actions by Japan that harm Chinese territorial sovereignty," Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun told his Japanese counterpart on Tuesday as the two met in a bid to ease tensions.

"Japan must banish illusions, undertake searching reflection and use concrete actions to amend its errors, returning to the consensus and understandings reached between our two countries' leaders."

In a sign of the tensions, China has postponed a ceremony marking the 40th anniversary of the resumption of diplomatic ties with Japan. But an official at the Japan-China Economic Association said Toyota Motor Corp Chairman Fujio Cho and Hiromasa Yonekura, chairman of Japanese business lobby Keidanren, and other representatives of Japan-China friendship groups would attend an event on Thursday in Beijing.

The risks of military confrontation are scant, but political tensions between Asia's two biggest economies could fester and worries persist about an unintended incident at sea.

"If blood is shed, people would become irrational," Koichi Kato, an opposition lawmaker who heads the Japan-China Friendship Association and will travel to Beijing, told Reuters.

"NOT CUTTING EDGE"

For the Chinese navy, the addition of carriers has been a priority as it builds a force capable of deploying far from the Chinese mainland.

China this month warned the United States, with President Barack Obama's "pivot" to Asia, not to get involved in separate territorial disputes in the South China Sea between China and U.S. allies such as the Philippines.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in turn urged China and its Southeast Asian neighbors to resolve disputes "without coercion, without intimidation, without threats and certainly without the use of force".

Narushige Michishita, a security expert at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo, said he thought the timing of the launch was unrelated to the islands dispute.

Rather, experts said it might be associated with China's efforts to build up patriotic unity ahead of a Communist Party congress that will install a new generation of top leaders as early as next month.

"China is taking another step to boost its strategic naval capability," Michishita said. "If they come to have an operational aircraft carrier, for the time being we are not super-concerned about the direct implications for the military balance between the U.S. and Japan on the one hand, and China on the other. This is still not cutting edge."

The East China Sea tensions with Japan were complicated on Tuesday by the entry of Taiwan, the self-ruled island that Beijing calls an illegitimate breakaway, which also lays claim to the islands.

Japanese Coast Guard vessels fired water cannon to turn away about 40 Taiwan fishing boats and 12 Taiwan Coast Guard vessels. Six Chinese patrol ships were also near the islands but four left, leaving two nearby but not in waters Japan considers its own.

Japan protested to Taiwan, a day after lodging a complaint with China over what it called a similar intrusion by Chinese vessels.

Taiwan has friendly ties with Japan, but the two sides have long squabbled over fishing rights in the area. China and Taiwan both argue they have inherited China's historic sovereignty over the islands.

The flare-up in tension comes at a time when both China and Japan confront domestic political pressures. Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's government faces an election in months, adding pressure on him not to look weak on China. China's Communist Party is preoccupied with the leadership turnover, with President Hu Jintao due to step down.

(Additional reporting by Linda Sieg in Tokyo and Sui-Lee Wee, Ben Blanchard and Chris Buckley in Beijing; Editing by Nick Macfie and Jeremy Laurence)

 

[singveld]

show what force, an aircraft carrier without plane, scare no one.

 

[rolleyes]

Renamed Liaoning, China's first carrier handed over to PLA Navy
Staff Reporter 2012-09-25 17:30

Bought from Ukraine as the Varyag, the refitted Soviet-era carrier has been renamed the Liaoning. (Internet photo)

After officially being renamed the Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier was handed over to the PLA Navy on the morning of Sept. 25 by the shipyard in Dalian where it has been refitted, according to Duowei News, an outlet operated by overseas Chinese.

Purchased from Ukraine and formerly named the Varyag, the carrier was refitted for active service by China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation in the port city in northeastern China.

An article from Hong Kong-based monthly the Mirror said the Liaoning will be under the direct command of the PLA Navy headquarters, and sources told Duowei that the carrier will be deployed with the North Sea Fleet based at the Qingdao naval base in Shandong province. The ship will enter service on Oct. 1, the national day of the People's Republic of China.

Various names had been suggested for the carrier by a number of military figures, and reported by media outlets and internet rumors before the announcement of the name Liaoning. The first suggestion was to name it the carrier "Ship 048" as Hu Jintao and other Chinese leaders reportedly took the decision for the country to develop an aircraft carrier in August 2004.

Other names which had been mooted included Sun Yet-sen, after the father of republican China, and Mao Zedong after the PRC founder. One persistent rumor was that the carrier would be named Shi Lang, after the Chinese admiral who conquered Taiwan for the Qing Empire in the 17th century, which would be a clear signal of the PLA's determination to see Taiwan unified with the mainland.

Liaoning, one of China's three northeastern provinces, was chosen because it is where the carrier was based as it underwent its refit. Pilots who will serve aboard the carrier were also trained in Dalian.

 

[singveld]

One of this

The Boeing P-8 Poseidon (formerly the Multimission Maritime Aircraft or MMA) is a military aircraft currently being developed for the United States Navy (USN). The P-8 is being developed by Boeing Defense, Space & Security, modified from the 737-800. It is intended to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and shipping interdiction and to engage in an electronic intelligence (ELINT) role. This will involve carrying torpedoes, depth charges, SLAM-ER anti-ship missiles, and other weapons. It will also be able to drop and monitor sonobuoys. It is designed to operate in conjunction with the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance unmanned aerial vehicle.

China navy will become fish food. All the hot air being blown by chink supporters here, your navy is not ready, stop blowing hot air, and build a navy before making so much noise.

 

[Kohliantye]

When hundreds of millions are still starving in China?

My Dear Kinana,

What is wrong with you, son?

You seems to have a very dull mind!!

Possibly due to the excessive heat generated by your blind support for someone and the additional flames directed at you by many forummers....

What "hundreds of millions starving people in China" are you talking about?

Look at OZ Land, Kiwiland, Kunta Kinte Land, Ang Mor Land, Marlboroland and all other huge lands........

They are all accepting the Chinese by the millions.

Even tiny land-starved and zero natural resource land like SINGAPORE is accepting them in thousands every year.

SINGAPORE is the best becos it offers PR to un-educated farmers, prostitutes, karang-guni men, peidu-mas, robbers, thieves and gangsters from Chinaland.

I am a little worried about you Kinana.

BTW, do you know what bus or route (for walking) you have to take to IMH.?????????.

Kesian, Pitiful, Kohliantye

 

[moolightaffairs]

捍卫华夏文明；歼灭共匪病夫.

说得好！！！ 兄弟所言极是！！！

 

[3_M]

Using Chinese variant of Su 33. Cannot match F18.

They call it the J-16. Not much is know of the spec and what avionics but this might just be a stop gap measure.

Future carrier base fighter could be the J-31

 

[Papsmearer]

My Dear Kinana,

What is wrong with you, son?

You seems to have a very dull mind!!

Possibly due to the excessive heat generated by your blind support for someone and the additional flames directed at you by many forummers....

What "hundreds of millions starving people in China" are you talking about?

Look at OZ Land, Kiwiland, Kunta Kinte Land, Ang Mor Land, Marlboroland and all other huge lands........

They are all accepting the Chinese by the millions.

Even tiny land-starved and zero natural resource land like SINGAPORE is accepting them in thousands every year.

SINGAPORE is the best becos it offers PR to un-educated farmers, prostitutes, karang-guni men, peidu-mas, robbers, thieves and gangsters from Chinaland.

I am a little worried about you Kinana.

BTW, do you know what bus or route (for walking) you have to take to IMH.?????????.

Kesian, Pitiful, Kohliantye

Kinana is a mental retard and is the best that the PAP can afford at the shit salary that they are paying to defend them on the internet. U think smart intelligent people really want to work for the PAP and get abused on the forum everyday for the peanuts money they pay?

 

[Papsmearer]

Comments from a Chinese research fellow at NUS

“The fact is the aircraft carrier is useless for the Chinese Navy,” You Ji, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in an interview. “If it is used against America, it has no survivability. If it is used against China’s neighbors, it’s a sign of bullying.”

Vietnam, a neighbor with whom China has fought wars, operates land-based Russian Su-30 aircraft that could pose a threat to the aircraft carrier, Mr. You said. “In the South China Sea, if the carrier is damaged by the Vietnamese, it’s a huge loss of face,” he said. “It’s not worth it.”

Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MiG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said.

The question of whether China will move ahead and build its own carrier depends in large part, he said, on whether China can develop aircraft to land on one. “It’s a long, long process for constructing such aircraft,” he said.

 

[singveld]

Re: Comments from a Chinese research fellow at NUS

china have no modern aircraft to land on carrier
china have no skill pilot to be able to land on carrier
so basically the carrier is a floating target which says shoot me
china navy at present is a joke.

 

[roadrunner]

Re: Comments from a Chinese research fellow at NUS

"..The question of whether China will move ahead and build its own carrier depends in large part, he said, on whether China can develop aircraft to land on one. “It’s a long, long process for constructing such aircraft,” he said.

Big boy's toys, that's what aircraft carriers are, it is most effective when used in parts of the world where you need air superiority but don't have a friendly port of call to land your planes for refuelling & arming. China & India's need for such big boy's toys is pitiful, it's like a coming of age present, welcome to the big boy's club, now go buy a aircraft carrier! it's like a white elephant, only for show & by the time you have enough carriers & supporting ships to match the US, the Americans would have cut back on theirs & gone on to newer technology! Chairman Mao & Communism has truly stunted China's ability to think clearly!

 

[singveld]

Re: Comments from a Chinese research fellow at NUS

 

[singveld]

 

[singveld]

 

[Froggy]

A reminder before anyone forget, closer to home Thailand had long ago joined the club

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Comments from a Chinese research fellow at NUS

china have no modern aircraft to land on carrier
china have no skill pilot to be able to land on carrier
so basically the carrier is a floating target which says shoot me
china navy at present is a joke.

Yes, that is basically right. They can go to the Russians and buy naval versions of the Mig-29 and SU-35 from them, or they can go to the French to buy navalized Rafale from them. The french will sell their own grandmothers for a buck. But the chinese will still have to deal with the process of integrating the airwing into the carrier. They also have too small a carrier to house a proper AWACS plane, which means they are blind beyond the range of the american over the horizons anti shipping missiles. The main thing that I see is that the carrier has a ski ramp which means that a VTOL type aircraft is supposed to be used on this carrier, something like the Harrier. But the Chinese and even the Russians are years away from developing this. unless the Russians want to open their production lines again to build the Yak-36 Forger, which was a failure. So, even a navalised Mig-29 and Su-35 and the Rafale cannot be flown off this carrier due to the ski ramp.