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Serious Hong Kong is finished.....
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china oredi say many many times... that taiwan in part of china.. and will not allow it to break away and declare independent..
China go reclaim land build a Causway between Xiamen and Penghu to blockade to piss off US...
china oredi say many many times... that taiwan in part of china.. and will not allow it to break away and declare independent..
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to many in taiwan, war is the last thing they want to see.. cos it will mean total destruction to their homes, their land and... to the businessmen who had heavy interest in the mainland, it oso means disaster to their investment
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i see. that means so long as china says it belongs to them it does. But if people of Taiwan don't want it's their problem right?china oredi say many many times... that taiwan in part of china.. and will not allow it to break away and declare independent..
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taiwan in many ways is oredi independent,..
taiwanese are allow to vote, have their currency, passport, freedom of expression, ...free to travel... their democracy is even more robust, more vibrant than sinkiepore..
many Taiwanese are comfortable with the present situation...
it's only their politicians who're the ones stirring shit... with the support from oversea Taiwanese (esp those American green cards)
Taiwan island is like a whore house, raped by many countries.... Jap, French, US, BE Christians .... bad omen place.... a curse island...
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ok. I summarize what you said. Politicians can go fark off and let the people go back to living life correct?
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I shit myself everyday. you don't shit yourself everyday?
come, I show you my concern. Please use this link :
https://www.guardian.com.sg/dulcolax-laxative-tablets-30-tablets/p/146655
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if don't have humour how to talk to you??Yes lah... u r clever. Never know u hv rumour also....
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China's security law sends Hong Kong residents dashing for exit
Riot police officers clash with protesters in Hong Kong on May 27, 2020.PHOTO: NYTIMES
PUBLISHED
4 HOURS AGO
HONG KONG (BLOOMBERG) - Ms Phyllis Lam has lived in Hong Kong for 42 years. It is where she was born, went to school, met her husband and planned to raise her two children.
But like a growing number of Hongkongers disillusioned by China's tightening grip on the city, Ms Lam now feels she has little choice but to leave.
"I have no confidence in Hong Kong's future," she said in an interview. "I have two young kids, so I have to plan for them."
For many in Hong Kong who've long feared an erosion of their freedoms under Chinese rule, last week marked a tipping point. Spurred to action by Beijing's decision to impose controversial national security legislation on the former British colony, residents have been flooding migration consultants with questions on how to move their families overseas.
"We get an inquiry every 2 to 3 minutes," said Mr Gary Leung, chief executive officer of Global Home, a property and migration consultancy. The firm's client requests has swelled to about 20 times normal levels, with Taiwan and Europe among the most asked-about destinations, Mr Leung said.
With many countries still enforcing travel restrictions to fight the coronavirus, it is too early to gauge how many Hongkongers will ultimately move out. But consultants say the odds of an eventual exodus are growing as lawmakers from Britain, the United States and Taiwan signal they may ease entry requirements for some Hong Kong citizens.
A wave of emigration could erode Hong Kong's attractiveness to multinational companies, hundreds of which rely on local talent to drive their growth across the Greater China region and the rest of Asia. The American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong has warned that retaining top-tier employees in the city may become more difficult.
Signs that more Hongkongers are planning to leave have been increasing since last year, when a now-scrapped extradition bill sparked mass protests and violent clashes with police in the heart of the city's central business district.
While Hong Kong does not publish high-frequency immigration statistics, applications for good citizenship cards - which certify a person does not have a criminal record - serve as a proxy because they're often needed to apply for foreign visas. The monthly number of applications averaged 2,935 from June 2019 to April 2020, a 50 per cent jump versus 2018.
It is not the first time the city has faced the prospect of a brain drain. An estimated 300,000 people left between 1990 and 1994, fearing Hong Kong's handover to China from Britain would destroy the city's civil liberties and capitalist system.
Yet predictions of Hong Kong's demise ultimately proved unfounded, with its status as Asia's premier financial hub only becoming more entrenched over the following two decades.
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Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam said on Friday (May 29) that the security law will only target "an extremely small minority of illegal and criminal acts" and that the "life and property, basic rights and freedoms of the overwhelming majority of citizens will be protected." China's central government has made similar remarks in the past week.
Ms Jolie Lo, an administrative executive, is among Hongkongers who plan to stay. She wants to be close to her ageing parents and is wary of the challenges she might face overseas.
"I may encounter other problems such as racial discrimination," said Ms Lo, who has studied in New York and worked in Beijing. "I won't say I regret my decision to come back to Hong Kong. Since we are here now, we should just try our best to preserve our homes."
Others see emigration as their best option.
Mr David Hui, managing director at Centaline Immigration Consultants (HK) Ltd, said his firm is now receiving as many as 100 inquiries a day from Hongkongers interested in moving to countries including Australia, Britain and Canada. Taiwan, Malaysia and Portugal are also becoming increasingly popular.
"The national security law is definitely a push factor," Mr Hui said.
Police officers detain protesters who gathered against new security laws in Hong Kong on May 27, 2020. PHOTO: NYTIMES
Critics of China's Communist Party worry that it will use the law to crack down on dissent and undermine the "one country, two systems" principle that has kept Hong Kong's judiciary separate from the mainland's since the 1997 handover.
In a survey of 9,477 pro-democracy supporters last week by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Program, 96 per cent said they opposed the law. Among those who said they were not pro-democracy, 29 per cent opposed it and 62 per cent supported it.
"Now I fear censorship could be even more serious in Hong Kong," said Ms Ming, 30, who works in the art world and declined to give her surname, citing the sensitivity of the subject. "I don't see a future here anymore, so it's time to look for options."
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Ms Phyllis Lam and her husband, who are both holders of British National (Overseas) passports, have not yet decided where they will move.
Canada is high on the list, but their top choice is Britain. The country's Home Office has said it may open a path to citizenship for almost 3 million Hong Kong residents who have BN(O) status.
"In any case, we will send the kids away," Ms Lam said. "We don't think the current environment in Hong Kong is good for them."
Riot police officers clash with protesters in Hong Kong on May 27, 2020.PHOTO: NYTIMES
PUBLISHED
4 HOURS AGO
HONG KONG (BLOOMBERG) - Ms Phyllis Lam has lived in Hong Kong for 42 years. It is where she was born, went to school, met her husband and planned to raise her two children.
But like a growing number of Hongkongers disillusioned by China's tightening grip on the city, Ms Lam now feels she has little choice but to leave.
"I have no confidence in Hong Kong's future," she said in an interview. "I have two young kids, so I have to plan for them."
For many in Hong Kong who've long feared an erosion of their freedoms under Chinese rule, last week marked a tipping point. Spurred to action by Beijing's decision to impose controversial national security legislation on the former British colony, residents have been flooding migration consultants with questions on how to move their families overseas.
"We get an inquiry every 2 to 3 minutes," said Mr Gary Leung, chief executive officer of Global Home, a property and migration consultancy. The firm's client requests has swelled to about 20 times normal levels, with Taiwan and Europe among the most asked-about destinations, Mr Leung said.
With many countries still enforcing travel restrictions to fight the coronavirus, it is too early to gauge how many Hongkongers will ultimately move out. But consultants say the odds of an eventual exodus are growing as lawmakers from Britain, the United States and Taiwan signal they may ease entry requirements for some Hong Kong citizens.
A wave of emigration could erode Hong Kong's attractiveness to multinational companies, hundreds of which rely on local talent to drive their growth across the Greater China region and the rest of Asia. The American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong has warned that retaining top-tier employees in the city may become more difficult.
Signs that more Hongkongers are planning to leave have been increasing since last year, when a now-scrapped extradition bill sparked mass protests and violent clashes with police in the heart of the city's central business district.
While Hong Kong does not publish high-frequency immigration statistics, applications for good citizenship cards - which certify a person does not have a criminal record - serve as a proxy because they're often needed to apply for foreign visas. The monthly number of applications averaged 2,935 from June 2019 to April 2020, a 50 per cent jump versus 2018.
It is not the first time the city has faced the prospect of a brain drain. An estimated 300,000 people left between 1990 and 1994, fearing Hong Kong's handover to China from Britain would destroy the city's civil liberties and capitalist system.
Yet predictions of Hong Kong's demise ultimately proved unfounded, with its status as Asia's premier financial hub only becoming more entrenched over the following two decades.
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Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam said on Friday (May 29) that the security law will only target "an extremely small minority of illegal and criminal acts" and that the "life and property, basic rights and freedoms of the overwhelming majority of citizens will be protected." China's central government has made similar remarks in the past week.
Ms Jolie Lo, an administrative executive, is among Hongkongers who plan to stay. She wants to be close to her ageing parents and is wary of the challenges she might face overseas.
"I may encounter other problems such as racial discrimination," said Ms Lo, who has studied in New York and worked in Beijing. "I won't say I regret my decision to come back to Hong Kong. Since we are here now, we should just try our best to preserve our homes."
Others see emigration as their best option.
Mr David Hui, managing director at Centaline Immigration Consultants (HK) Ltd, said his firm is now receiving as many as 100 inquiries a day from Hongkongers interested in moving to countries including Australia, Britain and Canada. Taiwan, Malaysia and Portugal are also becoming increasingly popular.
"The national security law is definitely a push factor," Mr Hui said.
Police officers detain protesters who gathered against new security laws in Hong Kong on May 27, 2020. PHOTO: NYTIMES
Critics of China's Communist Party worry that it will use the law to crack down on dissent and undermine the "one country, two systems" principle that has kept Hong Kong's judiciary separate from the mainland's since the 1997 handover.
In a survey of 9,477 pro-democracy supporters last week by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Program, 96 per cent said they opposed the law. Among those who said they were not pro-democracy, 29 per cent opposed it and 62 per cent supported it.
"Now I fear censorship could be even more serious in Hong Kong," said Ms Ming, 30, who works in the art world and declined to give her surname, citing the sensitivity of the subject. "I don't see a future here anymore, so it's time to look for options."
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Ms Phyllis Lam and her husband, who are both holders of British National (Overseas) passports, have not yet decided where they will move.
Canada is high on the list, but their top choice is Britain. The country's Home Office has said it may open a path to citizenship for almost 3 million Hong Kong residents who have BN(O) status.
"In any case, we will send the kids away," Ms Lam said. "We don't think the current environment in Hong Kong is good for them."
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Arm twisting?
In Hong Kong, China threatens businesses and workers
Employees face pressure to support pro-China candidates in local elections and echo the Chinese government's official line.PHOTO: AFP
HONG KONG (NYTIMES) - China and its allies are using threats and pressure to get business to back Beijing's increasingly hard-line stance toward Hong Kong, leading companies to muzzle or intimidate workers who speak out in protest.
Leung Chun Ying, Hong Kong's former top leader, on Friday (May 29) called for a boycott of HSBC, the London bank, because it had not publicly backed Beijing's push to enact a new national security law covering the territory.
"Neither China nor Hong Kong owes HSBC anything," he wrote in a Facebook post. "HSBC's businesses in China can be replaced overnight by banks from China and from other countries."
Days earlier, a union representing financial workers filed complaints with Hong Kong financial regulators alleging that two Chinese banks had pressured their employees to sign a petition supporting the law.
"Such behaviour by a supervisor to compel employees to take political sides could be considered abusive," the union wrote in letters to local officials.
Lawyers, bankers, professors and other professionals interviewed by The New York Times described a growing culture of fear in offices across the city. Employees face pressure to support pro-Beijing candidates in local elections and echo the Chinese government's official line. Those who speak out can be punished or even forced out.
China and the United States are clashing over the future of Hong Kong, and global businesses are caught in the middle. President Donald Trump on Friday said he would begin rolling back the special trade and financial privileges that the United States extends to Hong Kong after Chinese leaders pushed through the plan to enact the national security law, which critics fear will curtail the city's independent judicial system and civil liberties.
Hong Kong's success as a global financial hub stems from its status as a bridge between China's economic miracle and the rest of the world. Now that balance is looking increasingly precarious.
Protests erupted last year after Hong Kong's unpopular Beijing-backed government tried to give Chinese authorities more say in the city's affairs. As it has pressured business to take its side, China has used access to its vast market as an incentive to toe the Communist Party line.
Jason Ng was punished by his former employer for writing his political views on his Facebook page. PHOTO: NYTIMES
"We've seen a rapid deterioration in free expression in Hong Kong since the anti-government protests began," said Jason Ng, a former lawyer for BNP Paribas, the French bank.
Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong-based airline, drew headlines late last year when it fired employees for voicing views that angered Chinese authorities.
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Four of the world's biggest accounting firms condemned the Hong Kong protests and distanced themselves from employees who supported them.
Ng was punished by his former employer for writing his political views on his Facebook page, using the phrase "monkey see, monkey do" to complain about pro-Chinese demonstrators. The comments, which were later taken down, were heavily criticised in China's state media and on the Chinese internet. BNP apologised and pledged to take immediate action. Ng then left the bank.
"There is this awful environment now," said Ng, who has co-authored a book about the pressure in Hong Kong called "Unfree Speech".
"The whole banking industry, at least Chinese-funded banks, they face quite a lot of pressure from China."
Something similar happened to Ka-chung Law, a high-profile economist at Bank of Communications, a state-backed Chinese bank. For two decades, Law said he never felt any topic was off limits.
Last summer, as violence flared, Law was told not to talk about the role that the political chaos was having on the local economy. It was a difficult proposition. He could see it was having a direct impact.
Then in early October, Law said, he e-mailed an article to his team that was critical of China and discussed ways in which the United States could punish Beijing economically. One of his bosses called him in.
Ka-chung Law was told not to talk about the role that the political chaos was having on the local economy. PHOTO: NYTIMES
The bank distanced itself from the article. Law's note had come from his work e-mail, therefore implicating the bank. "That day I was told, 'This is your view,'" he said. "I was not the author of the article, but I didn't want to argue."
Law said he was told to resign. He did. "I don't want to stay in that kind of environment," he said, "and I don't think I deserve to stay in the position if I keep my mouth shut." The bank declined to comment.
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Increasingly, multinationals have found themselves in Beijing's censorship cross hairs. The NBA was thrust into the harsh spotlight last year after the general manager of the Houston Rockets wrote a message on Twitter in support of the Hong Kong protesters. State media acted swiftly in retaliation, canceling the broadcast of preseason games.
Coach, Givenchy and Versace have also been forced to apologise for selling clothes with designs that suggested Hong Kong was separate from China.
Last week, as Beijing pushed on with plans to implement its national security law in Hong Kong, pro-Beijing groups fanned out across the city in search of support. According to some local workers, their bosses helped in the effort.
Managers at Chiyu Banking Corp., a local bank owned by Xiamen International Bank, sent a WhatsApp message to employees asking them to sign a petition, according to a complaint filed by the Hong Kong Financial Industry Employees General Union. Once they had done so, the complaint said, they were told to screenshot their signature and share it.
Similar instructions were sent to employees at Wing Lung Bank, according to the union. Workers at other banks said they had received similar messages, said Ka-wing Kwok, the union's chairman, but the union was unable to verify them.
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Chiyu Banking and Wing Lung Bank did not respond to requests for comment. Hong Kong regulators declined to comment.
"Such behaviour caused a chilling effect among employees," the union wrote in letters to Hong Kong authorities.
"Employees could not help worrying that if they do not obey the instructions of their superiors, they might either be singled out by the company or their personal work performance evaluation would be affected in the future."
In Hong Kong, China threatens businesses and workers
Employees face pressure to support pro-China candidates in local elections and echo the Chinese government's official line.PHOTO: AFP
HONG KONG (NYTIMES) - China and its allies are using threats and pressure to get business to back Beijing's increasingly hard-line stance toward Hong Kong, leading companies to muzzle or intimidate workers who speak out in protest.
Leung Chun Ying, Hong Kong's former top leader, on Friday (May 29) called for a boycott of HSBC, the London bank, because it had not publicly backed Beijing's push to enact a new national security law covering the territory.
"Neither China nor Hong Kong owes HSBC anything," he wrote in a Facebook post. "HSBC's businesses in China can be replaced overnight by banks from China and from other countries."
Days earlier, a union representing financial workers filed complaints with Hong Kong financial regulators alleging that two Chinese banks had pressured their employees to sign a petition supporting the law.
"Such behaviour by a supervisor to compel employees to take political sides could be considered abusive," the union wrote in letters to local officials.
Lawyers, bankers, professors and other professionals interviewed by The New York Times described a growing culture of fear in offices across the city. Employees face pressure to support pro-Beijing candidates in local elections and echo the Chinese government's official line. Those who speak out can be punished or even forced out.
China and the United States are clashing over the future of Hong Kong, and global businesses are caught in the middle. President Donald Trump on Friday said he would begin rolling back the special trade and financial privileges that the United States extends to Hong Kong after Chinese leaders pushed through the plan to enact the national security law, which critics fear will curtail the city's independent judicial system and civil liberties.
Hong Kong's success as a global financial hub stems from its status as a bridge between China's economic miracle and the rest of the world. Now that balance is looking increasingly precarious.
Protests erupted last year after Hong Kong's unpopular Beijing-backed government tried to give Chinese authorities more say in the city's affairs. As it has pressured business to take its side, China has used access to its vast market as an incentive to toe the Communist Party line.
Jason Ng was punished by his former employer for writing his political views on his Facebook page. PHOTO: NYTIMES
"We've seen a rapid deterioration in free expression in Hong Kong since the anti-government protests began," said Jason Ng, a former lawyer for BNP Paribas, the French bank.
Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong-based airline, drew headlines late last year when it fired employees for voicing views that angered Chinese authorities.
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Four of the world's biggest accounting firms condemned the Hong Kong protests and distanced themselves from employees who supported them.
Ng was punished by his former employer for writing his political views on his Facebook page, using the phrase "monkey see, monkey do" to complain about pro-Chinese demonstrators. The comments, which were later taken down, were heavily criticised in China's state media and on the Chinese internet. BNP apologised and pledged to take immediate action. Ng then left the bank.
"There is this awful environment now," said Ng, who has co-authored a book about the pressure in Hong Kong called "Unfree Speech".
"The whole banking industry, at least Chinese-funded banks, they face quite a lot of pressure from China."
Something similar happened to Ka-chung Law, a high-profile economist at Bank of Communications, a state-backed Chinese bank. For two decades, Law said he never felt any topic was off limits.
Last summer, as violence flared, Law was told not to talk about the role that the political chaos was having on the local economy. It was a difficult proposition. He could see it was having a direct impact.
Then in early October, Law said, he e-mailed an article to his team that was critical of China and discussed ways in which the United States could punish Beijing economically. One of his bosses called him in.
The bank distanced itself from the article. Law's note had come from his work e-mail, therefore implicating the bank. "That day I was told, 'This is your view,'" he said. "I was not the author of the article, but I didn't want to argue."
Law said he was told to resign. He did. "I don't want to stay in that kind of environment," he said, "and I don't think I deserve to stay in the position if I keep my mouth shut." The bank declined to comment.
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Increasingly, multinationals have found themselves in Beijing's censorship cross hairs. The NBA was thrust into the harsh spotlight last year after the general manager of the Houston Rockets wrote a message on Twitter in support of the Hong Kong protesters. State media acted swiftly in retaliation, canceling the broadcast of preseason games.
Coach, Givenchy and Versace have also been forced to apologise for selling clothes with designs that suggested Hong Kong was separate from China.
Last week, as Beijing pushed on with plans to implement its national security law in Hong Kong, pro-Beijing groups fanned out across the city in search of support. According to some local workers, their bosses helped in the effort.
Managers at Chiyu Banking Corp., a local bank owned by Xiamen International Bank, sent a WhatsApp message to employees asking them to sign a petition, according to a complaint filed by the Hong Kong Financial Industry Employees General Union. Once they had done so, the complaint said, they were told to screenshot their signature and share it.
Similar instructions were sent to employees at Wing Lung Bank, according to the union. Workers at other banks said they had received similar messages, said Ka-wing Kwok, the union's chairman, but the union was unable to verify them.
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Chiyu Banking and Wing Lung Bank did not respond to requests for comment. Hong Kong regulators declined to comment.
"Such behaviour caused a chilling effect among employees," the union wrote in letters to Hong Kong authorities.
"Employees could not help worrying that if they do not obey the instructions of their superiors, they might either be singled out by the company or their personal work performance evaluation would be affected in the future."
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