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He earns $850pm, got wife, 2 kids and one new HDB flat! Who says cannot?

Confuseous

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Can a Singaporean who earns $850 a month afford to buy a Housing Board flat?

Mr Mohammad Charlie Jasni says yes.

The odd-job labourer earns that amount, and he and his family will be moving into a new two-room HDB flat in Punggol by the end of the year.

How he pays for his flat

Monthly income: $850

Total household CPF: $40,000

Cost of build-to-order flat in Punggol: $99,220

Additional CPF Housing Grant Scheme: $40,000

Remaining cost of flat: $59,220 ($99,220 less $40,000)

Estimated monthly instalment for payment: $83 for 30 years

Deduction from CPF: $83

Cash outlay: $0

He had successfully balloted for the 45 sq m build-to-order unit in August 2009.


It cost $99,220, but because he earns less than $5,000 a month, he qualifies for a government housing grant that gives him $40,000 to offset the flat's price.

This means he has $59,220 left to pay, which he will do using his Central Provident Fund (CPF) savings.

He and his wife already have about $40,000 in their CPF accounts, and this will grow as he continues to work.

Based on the Housing Board's calculations, he needs to pay a monthly housing instalment of $83 over 30 years.

'By paying the $83 out of my CPF, it means I have that little more for daily expenses,' said Mr Charlie, 33.

He is currently living with his wife and two children in a two-room rental flat in Beo Crescent. They pay $44 a month for that flat.

They are excited about their upcoming home and are already discussing renovation ideas and shopping for furniture.

'It is good to have a home of our own,' he said.

Mr Charlie's story puts a face to a statistic that has been debated in the last week.

In Parliament last Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam revealed that 'a family with $1,000 income can now, through our housing subsidies, purchase a small flat'.

He was responding to Workers' Party member Gerald Giam's comments about Singaporeans being unable to afford a flat.

The minister's remarks sparked off much discussion in both cyberspace and coffee shops alike. Some wondered how $1,000 could buy anyone a flat, given that sum was hardly enough to support a family's daily living expenses.

The next day, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan explained that Mr Tharman was referring to a new two-room flat.

He added that the subsidised price of such flats was about $100,000 if the applicant was a first-time buyer. He would also be entitled to housing grants of up to $60,000.

The net selling price would thus be $40,000, and the monthly mortgage payment can be fully paid from his CPF contribution, Mr Khaw said.

In response to queries from The Straits Times, the Housing Board said it was unable to say how many households earning $1,000 a month own two-room flats. But it pointed to how that it has two schemes that target low-income, first-time buyers.
 

BlueWave

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They are excited about their upcoming home and are already discussing renovation ideas and shopping for furniture. :p

must be getting some furnitures from courts instalment plan. :biggrin:
 

streetsmart73

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hi there



1. hahaha!
2. some castle in the airs for a m&d pauper and family.
3. this must be another 1st world living std too.
4. let hope that shittytimes keeps up the pressure.
5. focusing on whether the same m&d and family have enough for retirement or what!
6. how about employment: odd-job labourer must be pretty stable too.
 
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Raiders

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I thought we attained a swiss standard of living 10 years ago? Now we have a family of 4 squeezing into a 2 room flat that is suitable only for 2 person. What does it mean next time? The children will hear the parents humping each other at night. Children learn fast. Whats the next thing the children will do? :rolleyes:
 

laksaboy

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I thought we attained a swiss standard of living 10 years ago? Now we have a family of 4 squeezing into a 2 room flat that is suitable only for 2 person. What does it mean next time? The children will hear the parents humping each other at night. Children learn fast. Whats the next thing the children will do? :rolleyes:


The children join in the fun. :wink:
 

Balancemind

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Can a Singaporean who earns $850 a month afford to buy a Housing Board flat?

Mr Mohammad Charlie Jasni says yes.

The odd-job labourer earns that amount, and he and his family will be moving into a new two-room HDB flat in Punggol by the end of the year.

How he pays for his flat

Monthly income: $850

Total household CPF: $40,000

Cost of build-to-order flat in Punggol: $99,220

Additional CPF Housing Grant Scheme: $40,000

Remaining cost of flat: $59,220 ($99,220 less $40,000)

Estimated monthly instalment for payment: $83 for 30 years

Deduction from CPF: $83

Cash outlay: $0

He had successfully balloted for the 45 sq m build-to-order unit in August 2009.


It cost $99,220, but because he earns less than $5,000 a month, he qualifies for a government housing grant that gives him $40,000 to offset the flat's price.

This means he has $59,220 left to pay, which he will do using his Central Provident Fund (CPF) savings.

He and his wife already have about $40,000 in their CPF accounts, and this will grow as he continues to work.

Based on the Housing Board's calculations, he needs to pay a monthly housing instalment of $83 over 30 years.

'By paying the $83 out of my CPF, it means I have that little more for daily expenses,' said Mr Charlie, 33.

He is currently living with his wife and two children in a two-room rental flat in Beo Crescent. They pay $44 a month for that flat.

They are excited about their upcoming home and are already discussing renovation ideas and shopping for furniture.

'It is good to have a home of our own,' he said.

Mr Charlie's story puts a face to a statistic that has been debated in the last week.

In Parliament last Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam revealed that 'a family with $1,000 income can now, through our housing subsidies, purchase a small flat'.

He was responding to Workers' Party member Gerald Giam's comments about Singaporeans being unable to afford a flat.

The minister's remarks sparked off much discussion in both cyberspace and coffee shops alike. Some wondered how $1,000 could buy anyone a flat, given that sum was hardly enough to support a family's daily living expenses.

The next day, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan explained that Mr Tharman was referring to a new two-room flat.

He added that the subsidised price of such flats was about $100,000 if the applicant was a first-time buyer. He would also be entitled to housing grants of up to $60,000.

The net selling price would thus be $40,000, and the monthly mortgage payment can be fully paid from his CPF contribution, Mr Khaw said.

In response to queries from The Straits Times, the Housing Board said it was unable to say how many households earning $1,000 a month own two-room flats. But it pointed to how that it has two schemes that target low-income, first-time buyers.


So this citizen has $59,220.00 on his part to the flat he has to pay. He intended to pay over a period of 30years at a monthly instalment of $83.00 to be deducted from his CPF. Computation - $83.00 x 12months x 30years = $29,880.00. Cannot reconcile the calculation to that of his original housing debt of $59,220.00. So who is paying the shortfall of $29,340.00? Is it his uncle Hsien Loong? How about interest on the $59,220.00? No wonder so happy that he looks forward to shopping for new furniture. Indeed at that monthly instalment of $83.00 he needs another 29.45 years to pay off his housing debts. If that is correct he will be paying the housing debts all the way to the cremetorion and still will be in debt even at the point of time.
 

halsey02

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So this citizen has $59,220.00 on his part to the flat he has to pay. He intended to pay over a period of 30years at a monthly instalment of $83.00 to be deducted from his CPF. Computation - $83.00 x 12months x 30years = $29,880.00. Cannot reconcile the calculation to that of his original housing debt of $59,220.00. So who is paying the shortfall of $29,340.00? Is it his uncle Hsien Loong? How about interest on the $59,220.00? No wonder so happy that he looks forward to shopping for new furniture. Indeed at that monthly instalment of $83.00 he needs another 29.45 years to pay off his housing debts. If that is correct he will be paying the housing debts all the way to the cremetorion and still will be in debt even at the point of time.

Gues what race? no body asking? ha ha ha :biggrin: Where I live, the entire 3 room flats in the NG flats were once occupied by people of a certain race we all know & the same one that is mentioned here. The flats were either reposseded by HDB, back then it was affordable or over time sold to Chinese families, eventually the entire block was 99% Chinese. Back then those 3 roomers, head of family were, odd job labourers, security guards, etc., earning around or slightly more than than magic figure of $850 and have 3 or 4 kids, they couldn't afford to pay for the flats & most of their furnitures & applicances were on HP. To be fair on the comment, only 1 family made it to a 5 room flats & later to a condominium.

Can this modern day $850 with two kids & a wife make it at $80 payment a month?? provided that, he is working from now until eternity, must not get sick, must not smoke rokok, must not bet football, must not buy on credit from Cough!! cough!!

Why are we being taken in again, by these, 'koyot sellers' & their theatrics, selling their 'balm'...you believe??:o
 

Confuseous

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So this citizen has $59,220.00 on his part to the flat he has to pay. He intended to pay over a period of 30years at a monthly instalment of $83.00 to be deducted from his CPF. Computation - $83.00 x 12months x 30years = $29,880.00. Cannot reconcile the calculation to that of his original housing debt of $59,220.00. So who is paying the shortfall of $29,340.00? Is it his uncle Hsien Loong? How about interest on the $59,220.00? No wonder so happy that he looks forward to shopping for new furniture. Indeed at that monthly instalment of $83.00 he needs another 29.45 years to pay off his housing debts. If that is correct he will be paying the housing debts all the way to the cremetorion and still will be in debt even at the point of time.

Brother, you got it. Not only this - there is a limit to the percentage which CPF allows you to pay for your flat. What is the limit, I am not sure, but certainly there is a limit. This, according to the gahmen, is to ensure that you have money for your 'retirement' - if there happens to be one.
 

BlueWave

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bro balancedmind,

u r damn rite. it doesnt add up.

i use financial calculator, based on loan of $59220 for 30years. interest i use 2% throughout the loan period, the monthly instalment i get is $219.

how on earth did they get the $83 :confused:
 

mollusk

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So this citizen has $59,220.00 on his part to the flat he has to pay. He intended to pay over a period of 30years at a monthly instalment of $83.00 to be deducted from his CPF. Computation - $83.00 x 12months x 30years = $29,880.00. Cannot reconcile the calculation to that of his original housing debt of $59,220.00. So who is paying the shortfall of $29,340.00? Is it his uncle Hsien Loong? How about interest on the $59,220.00? No wonder so happy that he looks forward to shopping for new furniture. Indeed at that monthly instalment of $83.00 he needs another 29.45 years to pay off his housing debts. If that is correct he will be paying the housing debts all the way to the cremetorion and still will be in debt even at the point of time.

Bro, i think you forget to include the additional 40 grand subsidy. So he owe about 19K.so that $83 i think include interest which come to this amount $29,880.00

my guess
 
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ChaoPappyPoodle

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He has not moved in and has not faced the pain of paying for a 99-year over-priced box meant to enrich the PAPpies and their cronies. The headline is misleading. Let's see this fucktard in 10 year's time and how he is doing when his kids are older.
 

bushtucker

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why he never consider using some of his hard-earned $40000 CPF money as part of the house downpayment? then he can pay even lesser instalments and shorten the loan tenure.
 

red amoeba

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So this citizen has $59,220.00 on his part to the flat he has to pay. He intended to pay over a period of 30years at a monthly instalment of $83.00 to be deducted from his CPF. Computation - $83.00 x 12months x 30years = $29,880.00. Cannot reconcile the calculation to that of his original housing debt of $59,220.00. So who is paying the shortfall of $29,340.00? Is it his uncle Hsien Loong? How about interest on the $59,220.00? No wonder so happy that he looks forward to shopping for new furniture. Indeed at that monthly instalment of $83.00 he needs another 29.45 years to pay off his housing debts. If that is correct he will be paying the housing debts all the way to the cremetorion and still will be in debt even at the point of time.

cost of flat = 99 K
gahmen subsidy = 40K
m&d & his wife got 40K CPF to be used for payment before HDB will loan you the rest.
So balance 19K.
Pay 83 a month for 30 years - 29,340
you can imagine the 10K is interest to HDB.
 

cunnilaubu

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As reported, after HDB Grant, there has a balance of $59,220. He has about 40K in CPF. Assuming he uses his as much of his CPF Savings as possible, says $39,220, that will leave a balance of 20K of loan needed.

There was no mention of whether he was taking Bank or HDB loan so I will assume it is HDB Loan. Using HDB’s online Loan Calculator (http://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/BB29MTHLY/BB29SMTHLY?from=enq), with the prevailing rate 2.6% interest, the monthly repayment is $81. The is quite close to the amount of $83 reported in the press so we can assume the loan amount is correct.

Note that his CPF is now depleted. He needs new and regular contributions from now onwards.

He is an odd-job labourer which means he does not have a permanent job and that his monthly income would fluctuate. Assuming he managed to find enough odd-jobs to earn $850 every month, his monthly CPF contribution (including employers’ share) is $280. However, only $179 goes to his Ordinary Account which he can utilized fully. This amount is enough for two months’ loan repayment. His CPF contribution will be lowered in two year's time when he reaches 35.

His CPF contribution at his current age (33 yrs) is $144 leaving a take home pay of $706. There was not mention of how much he spend on himself per day. I would estimate these conservatively at $150 (that’s assume he need not have to travel very far for work, takes only lunch at work, drinks only tap water; and he doesn’t smoke). He only has $550 for his family and utilities.

There was no mention of whether his wife is working or whether his children are schooling. I would think they are not otherwise ST would have mentioned it.

This guy better hope that he manage to find enough odd-jobs each month and that he or his family member doesn’t fall ill.
 
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