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Google to leave China April

Thats why i said Google pulling out for China is a big loss to them mah.

Your comparisons to Google with Temasek and KFC/McDonalds is not appropriate lah, pengz -_-"


Can you provide an example in which a foreign bizness which the Chinese see as sensitive(threatening the state), being successful in China :confused:
 
Can you provide an example in which a foreign bizness which the Chinese see as sensitive(threatening the state), being successful in China :confused:
How about Nokia can ? despite 'native' phones, Nokia still among china mkt leaders .... but is handphone maker sensitive to china national interest ? Your guess as good as mine....
:D
 
How about Nokia can ? despite 'native' phones, Nokia still among china mkt leaders .... but is handphone maker sensitive to china national interest ? Your guess as good as mine....
:D

Nokia only makes h/w lah.

While Google controls information. In a paranoid communist country they want to control the information.
 
China's the gold mine for the net. they have a bigger internet user base than in USA.

still can't believe google will leave China just like that.
 
Nokia only makes h/w lah.

While Google controls information. In a paranoid communist country they want to control the information.
My bro lives in beijing. Tells me facebook, youtube there all censored & limited.

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Google in chinese is goo-ge (bro), got bro must hv sister, voila ! china version : Goo-Je (sister) LOL :D
 
My bro lives in beijing. Tells me facebook, youtube there all censored & limited.

Heard that they got fast internet connection. What a waste:rolleyes:

The problems Google is facing is a political thing, a clash of systems. It cannot be resolved by Google, a corporate entity. Same goes for facebook, youtube,..

People forget that Spore still has censorship that includes the internet. Try to visit Playboy & see for yourself. Also got many "official" eyes monitoring this forum. :(

In Spores there are no successful internet businesses like amazon, ebay,...Can ask the authorities why this is so since they are responsible for imposing lots of regulation, high cost, slow connection, ...
 
China's the gold mine for the net. they have a bigger internet user base than in USA.

still can't believe google will leave China just like that.


If there's gold I'm certain they'll try to keep it in china & not willing to share with foreigners like Temasek :)
 
Can you provide an example in which a foreign bizness which the Chinese see as sensitive(threatening the state), being successful in China :confused:
Well, Yahoo is not pulling out............. yet......... :D:D:D
 
Thats why i said Google pulling out for China is a big loss to them mah. Your comparisons to Google with Temasek and KFC/McDonalds is not appropriate lah, pengz -_-"

MNCs from any country ought to know that when they operate in any country they must abide by the local laws - simple as that. You want to do business, please follow our laws, thank you. As a business entity, you invest in a country for business purposes, not some altruistic reasons (China can do it for political reason because they are state entity, no shareholders to account for). If you can't make a profit, you don't go in - the shareholders will throw you out instead.

Temasek invested heavily in Telcos in Indonesia - for business purposes because they use sibling companies as vehicles to launch their mission. But politics is at the back of their mind - to give support and respect to a bigger neighbour as uttered by the PM and SM - creating investment confidence - which is good for Singapore in the long term.

What can a little red laser dot do? We can't force them to sell us their useless soil or sand, which they have unlimited quantities, for our land reclamation project. Or granite chips - for our construction industry. Temasek like the gahment is pragmatic.

Indonesia changes their laws - even if at their whim and fancy - Temasek (or any MNCs for that matter) simply has to follow. Otherwise face their courts - or worse their people - who can easily be turned into a mob. What can a little red laser dot do? Timor Leste learnt their lessons with a heavy price.

Alternative is to pack and get out. You go into the country to do business with your eyes open. Same with Thailand. Unfortunately, miscalculation that the masses could throw the popular Thaksin out. We groomed and tutored Thaksin before he became PM, but miscalculated on the public and national sentiments.

Well life goes on. Wealthy Temasek seeks ventures elsewhere where they are wanted and wooed. Temasek simply has to change their philosophy of being a white knight and try to invest in down and trodden companies. The magic wand doesn't work everytime - no matter how smart you are.
 
Business decision lah. But this industry is very competitive. Given the $$ there are lots of new tech in the works. By losing the Chinese market they pretty much lost 35% of global internet potential (must count using internet access not population).

The next competitor could very well make the moola from China and use that to come fight Google in the US. Google came from no where to now in 5 years. So the next competitor could very well do it in 3. Maybe they are out there trying to get a foothold. Who knows? But by leaving Chinese market Google might me leaving their flank vulnerable.

If Google stayed in Chinese they might have devised technology to allow max access while still falling under Beijing censorship rules. Hey that is a useful technology to have. The 3rd world is all about censorship.

Think of it this way - suddenly there is racial violence in India between Hindu and Muslim. Both sides are trying to inflame the situation over the net, a few thousands have be slaughtered. Indian Gov have no choice but to shut down internet. But a lot of business/gov is reliant on the net so economy gets killed .

Now if Google devised a software to allow effective filter of some information but yet allow bonafide info to go through the Gov would not have to shut down the whole net.

This situation could very well happen in France, US, malaysia, anywhere.
 
Now if Google devised a software to allow effective filter of some information but yet allow bonafide info to go through the Gov would not have to shut down the whole net.
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If someone's going to develop such a SW it will be the PAP gov't :D
I'm sure LHL is tired of hearing those mee hum jokes & LKY of people who want to know where he keeps his loot :)


Maybe such a tehnology already exists?? but a 1st world gov't wouldn't be allowed to use it. They'll be kick out by the citizens. The reason a country is 1st world is that the citizens are ever watchful.
 
Doesnt matter whether you love or hate China, as business point of view, China IS the biggest market in the world right now, you cant deny it.

I read some news, Levis Strauss also left China in late 90s due to human rights of some shits. Now they are back in China in 2008.

I got the feeling Google will regrets its decisions, Google should have known there's no free speech in China before they enter China market, so dun complain and be righteous, you wont earn money 1. :D:D:D:D
 
In China, to make 1 million Yuan profit requires the same amount of investment, effort and time as in making 1 million profit in $US in America. But, the exchange rate between US$ and Yuan is 6.8 to 1. A company like Google, which probably has been making easy money all along, is now faced with the prospect of making a 'blood, sweat and tears' living in China. It's better to quit now and wait for the Yuan to appreciate significantly before re-entering the market. The present US to Yuan exchange rate cannot support a 'high-valued' industry such as Google.

In 1973, Singapore could only maintain one Plaza Singapura (Yaohan) mall; now, the whole island is full of malls. The Singapore dollar has appreciated significantly since then.
 
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In 1973, Singapore could only maintain one Plaza Singapura (Yaohan) mall; now, the whole island is full of malls. The Singapore dollar has appreciated significantly since then.


I have my doubts if Sporeans are supporting the malls in Spore. Suspect lots of foreign money have proped up these malls.

I've noticed turnover of stores & some closures. Have seen more vacancies in the different malls. The new mall across from Centrepoint has a basement that is empty.
 
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