EV sales

[Eisenhut]

my friend in US bought an BMW EV

in summer, the mileage for full charge about 400-450km
in winter, about 250-280km

Never buy EV from traditional ICE maker. They are half hearted in making EV. Buy from EV specialist like Tesla, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, Zeekr...

But its true in winter, the range shrinks. You park your car say 80% charged. When u start car again, its only 76% charged

 

[Eisenhut]

Japan may have unveiled first 100% lithium engine: It's a historic blow to Chinese cars
Ford researched the hydrogen engine for years: They have created a prototype that was thought impossible
Japan has long been known for its automotive industry, and this discovery may change the automotive world as it is known today. The country, through Nissan, has recently been said to have released the first-ever 100% lithium-ion engine. This is a revolutionary development, particularly when lithium limitations have forced many manufacturers to consider other materials, such as aluminum alloys.

Nonetheless, Nissan’s decision to use lithium in all parts of the engine that can accommodate it might be transformative in the EV industry. It would place Japan at the vanguard of the next generation of automobile manufacturing while delivering a competitive strike against China’s ascending EV industry.

This revolutionary engine could redefine electric vehicle performance and efficiency
The 100% lithium engine announced by Nissan for hybrid and electric vehicles is believed to deliver performance and fuel efficiency never seen before. Lithium is lighter than other aluminum alloys, and thus, the use of lithium in the construction of the engine decreases the overall weight of the engine and increases acceleration capacity and fuel efficiency.

The efficiency and effectiveness of the electric motor and the combustion engine are crucial in hybrid cars, making this analysis particularly important. Nissan has already had a taste for the success of hybrid technology and how it is possible to blend the petrol engine and the electric motor to make a car that is the best in both worlds.

The use of lithium in more engine components will also enhance acceleration and response to energy storage and regeneration upon deceleration. This will, in turn, enhance efficiency, reduce energy use, and increase the driving distance—a significant factor that environmentally conscious buyers will significantly appreciate.

Understanding the pivotal role lithium plays in automotive advancements today
Lithium has dominated the automotive industry in recent years because of its focus on battery production. Lithium-ion batteries are used in most electric cars to store and provide power. Nissan’s new hybrid cars have shown that lithium-ion batteries offer better fuel economy and can better store energy in regenerative braking. To advance from using lithium only in the battery to using it in other parts of the engine is a strategic shift. Still, this element is underlined as critical in the search for cleaner, efficient transport.

There are few resources for lithium, and most car manufacturing companies have had to look for other materials, but Japan doubling the use of lithium is a calculated move. Nissan might already be betting on the long-term viability of lithium sources if it invests in new battery technology and boosts lithium consumption in its engines. This decision forces other automakers, especially in China, to reconsider their strategies of sourcing as well as the kind of materials they use.

How Japan’s innovation poses a severe challenge to Chinese electric vehicle dominance
China has shifted the production of electric cars to the next level and has become the leading manufacturer. However, the recent announcement by Japan of a 100% lithium engine may disturb this balance. Chinese competitors, while very good in battery production, are not near Nissan’s level of vertical integration. In this way, by fully utilizing lithium, Japan can provide its vehicles with a performance advantage that Chinese competitors may be unable to overcome due to uncertain supply chains.

However, besides performance, there are additional benefits to using a fully lithium-powered engine. It also has implications for the environment too. The engines would make vehicles emit even fewer emissions and use less energy because of improved fuel economy and regenerative braking. This follows global trends by reducing carbon footprints and may give Japan an advantage in markets inclined towards environmentally friendly technologies.

Looking ahead: The bright future of lithium in automotive engineering innovation
The recent presentation of the first 100% lithium engine is a step forward in the history of ICE, but it is only the first step. In the future, other manufacturers will also look at opportunities for lithium in parts of the car other than the battery, as Nissan has already done.

The decision to stick with lithium instead of looking for something that could replace it is a move that could define the struggle for superior, environmentally friendly cars. Japan’s innovation is a turning point in the shift from general combustion engines to electric and hybrids.

By challenging the lithium capabilities, Nissan has successfully provided the foundation for the future generation of engines to taste a new dimension of performance, efficiency, and environmental compliance in the automotive market. This breakthrough, which is also due to the increase in competition, will not only be observed in Japan but can change the future of car manufacturing.

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I hate this kind of Article, just look at the words "prototype ", that means still R&D stage and they say will deal a "historic blow" to chinese cars! Laugh my toes off.

By time it can go mass production, and if it even ever go mass production, maybe in 5yrs, EV tech will go even more advanced.

 

[king_of_abalone]

I hate this kind of Article, just look at the words "prototype ", that means still R&D stage and they say will deal a "historic blow" to chinese cars! Laugh my toes off.

By time it can go mass production, and if it even ever go mass production, maybe in 5yrs, EV tech will go even more advanced.

The West and Japs are all busy coping right now. There is real existential fear in the West that Chinese EVs will makan all of their lunches.

 

[JurongEast]

Hi

 

[syed putra]

What is wrong with ICE and battery car ?

Regulations will Force ICE out. Currently, just to be within authorised limits ice cars getting too complicated with hybrid plus turbo. Plus all kinds of emission reducing gadgets such as catalytic converters and exhaust gas recirculation stuff.

 

[syed putra]

The West and Japs are all busy coping right now. There is real existential fear in the West that Chinese EVs will makan all of their lunches.

Currently there is a overproduction of vehicles Worldwide due to new China EV brands.
Those legacy autos for the last two decades made tons of money in China and still caught off guard with local China made EV's. Makes you wonder what their managers in China were doing.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

I hate this kind of Article, just look at the words "prototype ", that means still R&D stage and they say will deal a "historic blow" to chinese cars! Laugh my toes off.

By time it can go mass production, and if it even ever go mass production, maybe in 5yrs, EV tech will go even more advanced.

Even more news..

This Korean hydrogen engine is the end of Japan: It has traveled 10 million kilometers​

It was America’s most anticipated car and Tesla’s downfall: It was cancelled, and now we know why​

The Hyundai Motor Group reached a major milestone in its hydrogen fuel cell truck journey: 10 million kilometers (6.2 million miles) on the road in Switzerland! The Korean motor manufacturer released a fleet of XCIENT Fuel Cell trucks in the European country, and in just three years and eight months, they traveled the equivalent of circling the Earth 250 times.

Hyundai’s XCIENT Fuel Cell trucks exceed expectations in Switzerland​

In 2020, Hyundai dispatched 48 XCIENT hydrogen fuel cell trucks to Switzerland after boosting the infrastructure to fuel and service the fleet. The plan was to monitor how the technology performed in real-life, commercial applications and assess the effectiveness of the fueling and servicing process, and Hyundai is more than pleased with the fleet’s achievements.
Hyundai plans to build on its success in Switzerland by applying performance and consumption data to improve the fuel cell system. Customer feedback is also being carefully analyzed to identify areas for improvement and best serve the needs of drivers and fleet owners.
The other upside to Hyundai’s positive showing in Switzerland is that it provides insight into compliance with environmental policies, which are getting stricter each year as the world focuses on the green energy revolution.

Hyundai fuel cell technology and XCIENT truck specs​

The XCIENT is actually the world’s first mass-produced, heavy-duty, hydrogen-electric truck, which is quite a feather in the cap of the Korean manufacturer. The model has proven itself in more countries than just Switzerland, and it put on exceptional performances in Germany and the United States as well.
The model tested in Switzerland has a max-350 kW motor that runs on a 180 kW hydrogen fuel cell system, which Hyundai decided would be best for the country’s needs. The cab-over structure, which was designed for the best visibility, is a particular advantage on European roads with tight corners and abrupt elevation changes. The hydrogen capacity is 31kg, which translates to a range of 248 miles per charge.

Emissions regulations, refueling time, and range​

Switzerland’s emissions regulations are some of the most stringent in Europe, but it supports its policies with a well-developed, accessible hydrogen refueling network. This is one of the reasons why Hyundai chose this country to test its XCIENT Fuel Cell fleet. Daniel Balmer, a member of the Swiss Hydrogen Mobility Association, sang the hydrogen truck’s praises:

“The biggest advantage over diesel trucks is that they operate without emitting carbon and are incredibly quiet. They are perfect for delivering in residential areas during early morning or late-night hours, as they produce no noise and emit only water vapor instead of exhaust gases. Another benefit is their convenience; with a quick refueling time of eight to 20 minutes, depending on the external tank temperature, the trucks are capable of long-distance travel.”

XCIENT Fuel Cell trucks in North America​

Several North American logistics companies also put their faith in the XCIENT model. Hyundai supplied 30 Fuel Cell models to the continent, making this the largest single supply of fuel cell trucks to the area. The version designed for the US has features to accommodate long-distance travel with a tractor-trailer arrangement that differs from the cargo versions for other markets. The range of these trucks is around 450 miles with a full load, which is the kind of range required for traveling expansive distances.

Clean, green, energy, zero carbon emissions​

Hyundai’s XCIENT model produces zero carbon dioxide and emits nothing but pure water—one of the cleanest forms of energy available on the roads. The system also filters out dust particles while capturing oxygen during operation. In general, hydrogen fuel cell engine systems offer the following benefits:

• Energy-efficient
• Low noise pollution
• Lower operational costs
• Quick refueling
• Reliable and robust parts
• Decentralized power supply

As Hyundai contributes to a world where clean hydrogen is accessible anywhere, the XCIENT Fuel Cell truck is making its mark as a top contender in the fuel cell sphere.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

America and China are wasting their time with EVs: Rolls-Royce has unveiled a revolutionary engine​

The most forgotten car brand is back with a bang: New model with fuel mystery​

Rolls-Royce has moved into the in-house testing phase for its mtu hydrogen engines after investing €10 million ($10.8 million) over a year and a half into hydrogen technology and modernizing its test bench at its Augsburg site, Rolls-Royce Solutions, in Germany. The luxury vehicle manufacturer’s Net Zero at Power Systems program is operating in full force on the path to climate neutrality by the year 2050, and the mtu hydrogen engine is taking a giant step in that direction.

Revolutionizing the Rolls Royce mtu engine to run on 100% hydrogen​

Rolls-Royce is enabling its mtu gas engine lineup for power generation and cogeneration, converting them to run on hydrogen fuel. The luxury automobile manufacturer is moving with the times and has chosen hydrogen as the fuel to focus on out of the clean energy options available.
Rolls-Royce already has gensets in operation that are powered by mtu Series 500 and 4000 gas engines with a blend of 10% hydrogen. In the future, the technology will have advanced enough to make this 100%. Perry Kuiper from the Rolls-Royce Power Systems division outlined their plan:

“After intensive tests on test benches and pilot installations at customers, Rolls-Royce will continuously market new mtu Series 500 and Series 4000 gas engines for use with up to 100 percent hydrogen, and on a design-to-order basis conversion kits to allow already installed gas engines in the field to run on 100 percent hydrogen.”

Rolls-Royce’s plan to achieve energy transition through hydrogen fuel​

Green hydrogen technology is vital to the future of renewable energy in all spheres but particularly in the transport industry, and Rolls-Royce is taking its development of hydrogen to the next level with a fuel cell demonstration unit set up at the Power Systems division in Friedrichshafen that has the capacity to deliver 250 kW of power. The unit will demonstrate how energy systems can operate without producing carbon dioxide emissions.
In the bigger context, Rolls-Royce is also strengthening its hydrogen production and supply systems and planning more intensive, state-of-the-art testing facilities.

Net Zero at Power Systems​

Net Zero at Power Systems is Rolls-Royce’s climate protection program and its focus is on developing new fuels and technologies to meet lower emissions policies. The company has committed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions produced by its vehicles and production processes by 35% by 2030. This medium-term time frame is the first step towards the target of carbon neutrality by 2050.
Rolls-Royce is working towards getting its mtu engines certified to run on clean fuel alternatives such as e-diesel and second-generation biofuels. Andreas Görtz of Rolls-Royce Power Systems explained:

“The decarbonisation of power generation requires reliable, flexible, but also climate-neutral, power plants to supplement the fluctuating generation from wind and sun. We assume that natural gas will initially be the primary fuel in the development of the hydrogen ecosystem, but we see hydrogen as technically and economically possible. That is why we continue to develop our gas engines for use with green hydrogen – whether as a ten or 25 percent admixture or for 100 percent.”

Rolls-Royce commits to sustainable energy​

Hydrogen will play a key role in future energy strategies, and Rolls-Royce wants to ensure that it keeps up in the race to cut CO₂ emissions from fuel systems. But it also has two plans for electrical energy, namely contributing leftover industrial energy to the public grid, and using leftover heat from manufacturing and production to generate energy to power airconditioning.
Gas engine systems that generate heat and energy simultaneously to maximize energy efficiency are also on the agenda, and development is already underway at the Rolls-Royce Solutions facility in Augsburg.
Rolls-Royce is doing more than just holding their own in a super-competitive green fuel industry; they’re carving out a unique, multi-faceted plan to remain on top of the game in more than just automobiles.

 

[syed putra]

Hydrogen is all about storage. As it's molecule is so tiny, there, losses during transport and storage is a problem. Plus if stored under pressure, danger of explosion.

 

[nabeifuckpap]

 

[LordElrond]

Hydrogen is a joke. It has been on trial for 30 years and proven that you can't mass produce or run these machines in a cost effective way. These losers are sucking their thumbs seeing Chinese EVs take over the world.

 

[syed putra]

Never buy EV from traditional ICE maker. They are half hearted in making EV. Buy from EV specialist like Tesla, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, Zeekr...

But its true in winter, the range shrinks. You park your car say 80% charged. When u start car again, its only 76% charged

In winter, using current batteries will deplete by about 30%. But by

 

[king_of_abalone]

2 years ago you'd never have thought that they would even go into making cars...it beat the Porsche Taycan by 21 fuckin' seconds on the Nuremberg ring north shelf.

https://x.com/leijun/status/1851100140981141704

https://x.com/leijun/status/1851131502043725884

 

[Dr Christopher Cheok C S]

Never buy EV from traditional ICE maker. They are half hearted in making EV. Buy from EV specialist like Tesla, BYD, Nio, Xpeng, Zeekr...

Yes, FORD's EV margin is >104.4%
They sell $100, they lose $104.40

 

[Dr Christopher Cheok C S]

But its true in winter, the range shrinks.

Samsung has announced a significant breakthrough in solid-state battery technology. These batteries promise a range of up to 1000km on a single charge and the capability to recharge in just nine minutes. These batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They replace liquid components with solid ones, enhancing safety and reducing weight.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/08/12/solid-state-batteries-for-evs/74714035007/

 

[jurongkechil]

So far the safe one is tesla, and the blue sg car.can buy...

 

[Leongsam]

Hydrogen is a joke. It has been on trial for 30 years and proven that you can't mass produce or run these machines in a cost effective way. These losers are sucking their thumbs seeing Chinese EVs take over the world.

Hydrogen will never take off because the cost and energy requirements of production, distribution and storage outweighs all the benefits from it being a clean burning fuel.

EVs are the way to go. The energy comes from nuclear fusion and is free. Nuclear energy can converted directly to electricity which is then stored chemically till it is needed. The chemical process can be cycled 1000s and the conversion processes are all very efficient.


https://insideevs.com/news/406676/battery-electric-hydrogen-fuel-cell-efficiency-comparison/

Efficiency comparison​

According to studies, all-electric cars can achieve an outstanding overall Well-to-Wheel efficiency of 70-90%, depending on a particular example.

"In its study “Automotive Industry 2035 – Forecasts for the Future”, the management consultancy recently had a detailed investigation carried out into whether battery- or hydrogen-powered e-cars will become established in the future. The study was prepared over six months, accompanied by 80 people/interview partners and financed by the management consultancy itself. “The main reason for our study was that Horváth & Partners serves many clients in the automotive supply industry. Of course, these clients want to know what to expect in the next 10-to-15 years,” says study director Dietmar Voggenreiter, explaining the report.
So which energy storage system has the best efficiency and is the most cost-effective for powering electric cars? With battery-powered e-cars, only eight percent of the energy is lost during transport before the electricity is stored in the vehicle’s batteries. When the electrical energy is converted to drive the electric motor, another 18 percent is lost. Depending on the model, the battery-powered e-car thus achieves an efficiency of between 70 to 80 percent."

The hydrogen fuel cell requires 2-3 times more energy to drive the same distance, as the overall Well-to-Wheel efficiency is from 25-35%.

"In the case of the hydrogen-powered e-car, the losses are much greater: 45 percent of the energy is already lost during the production of hydrogen through electrolysis. Of this remaining 55 percent of the original energy, another 55 percent is lost when converting hydrogen into electricity within the vehicle. This means that the hydrogen-powered e-car only achieves an efficiency of between 25 to 35 percent, depending on the model. For the sake of completeness: the efficiency is even worse with alternative fuels. The overall efficiency here is only 10 to 20 percent.
In concrete terms this means that a hydrogen car consumes two to three times more electricity for the same distance than a battery car. But we cannot afford this kind of energy waste. The scarce green electricity must be used as efficiently as possible in the future. Hydrogen would therefore be a serious mistake for passenger cars. “In addition to the very real potential of green hydrogen, there is a dangerous hype going on right now," warn experts from the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) in a study quoted by the Handelsblatt. The Horváth&/Partners study comes to the same conclusions.
However, hydrogen offers very promising prospects – although not for cars. The authors of the study conclude that investments should rather focus on other areas where they make ecological and economic sense. “We believe that there is great potential if green hydrogen is pushed into applications where it can really establish itself in the long term. Above all in industry, but also in heavy-duty transport, aviation and shipping,” says Frank Klose, co-author of the study."

The conclusion​

As we many times pointed out over the years, hydrogen fuel cell cars have three serious drawbacks:

• high initial cost of the vehicles (higher than battery-electric)
• high fuel cost (higher operational cost than battery-electric)
• lack of refueling infrastructure (BEVs at least have some in form of home charging, which covers most of the daily charging needs)

The FCV's advantage of range is shrinking as batteries are getting more energy-dense. Moreover, if you don't have a refueling infrastructure nearby, you have to go to a certain hydrogen station - not necessarily along the route, which cost time and... range. So basically there is no range advantage in practical use.

"From every angle of the environmental balance sheet, everything speaks for the battery-powered e-car. The technology is mature and ready for the mass market. The number of models is growing steadily. And with the battery-powered e-car, driving remains affordable. Current e-models are already at the price level of comparable combustion engine models. In contrast, the hydrogen car will always remain more expensive than the battery car – due to the complex technology and high fuel costs. Drivers already pay around nine to twelve euros per 100 kilometers for a hydrogen car, while battery cars cost only two to seven euros per 100 kilometers (depending on electricity prices in individual countries). And the topic of long-distance travel? That will soon no longer play a role. With the new generation of e-cars, ranges will increase to 400-to-600 kilometers, while charging will become increasingly faster."

"The conclusion is clear: in the case of the passenger car, everything speaks in favor of the battery and practically nothing speaks in favor of hydrogen. “No sustainable economy can afford to use twice the amount of renewable energy to drive with fuel cell passenger cars rather than battery-powered vehicles,” says study leader Dietmar Voggenreiter. This is also the view of customers: In Germany there are already more than 130,000 battery cars on the road – but only 507 hydrogen cars..."

In other words, don't expect any hydrogen fuel cell cars from the Volkswagen Group, maybe aside from some scientific projects.

 

[myfoot123]

Unlike other legacy autos, Tesla sales in china remains robust.

I would say manageable instead of Robust. The China EV market is very competitive, every seller is trying to slash price until the small fly get kicks out of the race.

 

[Eisenhut]

Samsung has announced a significant breakthrough in solid-state battery technology. These batteries promise a range of up to 1000km on a single charge and the capability to recharge in just nine minutes. These batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They replace liquid components with solid ones, enhancing safety and reducing weight.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/08/12/solid-state-batteries-for-evs/74714035007/

Key words "significant breakthrough ". Means still R&D stage. To make it profitable for Manufacturing, still far far away....

 

[Leongsam]