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may as well carry a transportable gasoline powered generator in an ev trunk. can camp with it. takes up space too.
The thing is, its capable of doing EV in urban areas. But can go long distance in china kampungs without problems. Which is what many In China wants. Not relevant for sinkies unless want to drive to haatyai.
 
The thing is, its capable of doing EV in urban areas. But can go long distance in china kampungs without problems. Which is what many In China wants. Not relevant for sinkies unless want to drive to haatyai.
the more remote tiongs drive inland the uglier atbs are until they arrive in kashgar and or urumqi. very little incentive to drive so far unless they get paid as truck drivers to deliver hazardous material.
 
The moment a new state if the art battery emerges, it will completely make current EV's redundant.
If EV's are bought, it works well in urban areas and if it's a second car and owner owns a landed property.

EV market is machiam like handphone market

I predict eventually EV become slightly more expensive than a laptop like 8-10k range. U can change one every 5 yrs
 
EV market is machiam like handphone market

I predict eventually EV become slightly more expensive than a laptop like 8-10k range. U can change one every 5 yrs
Which should be good for consumers and those in the recycling business, steel industries and battery and electric motor manufacturers.
But I was told, EV hardly breaks down and if battery does not erode over time too much, can go on forever.
 
Which should be good for consumers and those in the recycling business, steel industries and battery and electric motor manufacturers.
But I was told, EV hardly breaks down and if battery does not erode over time too much, can go on forever.

The degradation of battery is exaggerated. Some EV owners drove their EV 10 yrs, no battery degradation and hardly maintenence
 
The degradation of battery is exaggerated. Some EV owners drove their EV 10 yrs, no battery degradation and hardly maintenence
Only thing I Hate about EV's is the tablet controls. No dials and knobs. Forget voice control as it's really annoying.
 
Only thing I Hate about EV's is the tablet controls. No dials and knobs. Forget voice control as it's really annoying.
You can configure some often used controls like aircon, radio to be on special buttons on steering wheel. So no need touch the screen.
 
Now this will be a game changer if it works and costs are competitive. This is what I mean by advances in batteries will make current EV's depreciate or worthless.


An electric car with 1500km of range is just around the corner: Chinese car brand Chery to debut solid state batteries in 2026 before Toyota and Nissan​

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Chery is the latest car brand to join the solid state battery party.
The Chinese brand said it is expected to fit the next-generation batteries to its cars from 2026.
It claims these new cells will give its electric cars up to 1500km of driving range on a single charge.
 
Chery currently only sells one electric car in Australia, the Omoda E5.

It uses a 61kWh battery that delivers a driving range of 430km with a max charge rate of just 80kW.


Solid state batteries are thought to be the silver bullet to mass electric car adoption and vital to achieve fully electric utes and four-wheel drives.

The futuristic batteries are smaller, lighter, more energy dense, quicker charging and safer than current cells.

This is achieved by using a solid electrolyte instead of a liquid or gel used in conventional units.

Chery announced the plans to install solid state batteries in its cars at this week's Chery Global Innovation Conference.
 
2025 Chery Omoda E5

2025 Chery Omoda E5
It will develop the batteries in-house via its new battery brand, Kunpeng.

The solid state cells will have an energy density of 400Wh/kg initially before upscaling to 600Wh/kg.

A lithium iron-phosphate (LFP) battery, which is used by BYD, has an energy density of up to about 160Wh/kg.

Chery used the conference to announce it will release a new series of ultra-fast charging LFP batteries immediately.

These are rated as 6C batteries. A 'C' rating is the speed a battery can charge: 1C means it can take one hour to replenish to full and a 2C rating takes 30 minutes, a 5C takes 12 minutes and a 10C takes six minutes.

Chery claims these batteries can add 400km of range in five minutes, but it is unlikely you’ll be able to find a charger powerful enough to add that much juice so quickly.

2025 Chery Omoda E5

2025 Chery Omoda E5
Chery is the latest in a long line of electric car brands to forge ahead with solid state batteries.

MG recently announced it would start adding the tech to its cars from next year.

Chinese brand GWM claimed to have developed a micro solid state battery earlier this year, but it still needed to be scaled up.
 
1500km range means likely charge the EV once 2 months. Ok what...
 
1500km range means likely charge the EV once 2 months. Ok what...
Two more years. Meanwhile look hydrogen cars claim 1500 km between refills which brakes just minutes by changing empty containers for filled ones.
 
Two more years. Meanwhile look hydrogen cars claim 1500 km between refills which brakes just minutes by changing empty containers for filled ones.
First need to find hydrogen refill station.

It requires totally new infrastructure, also conversion efficiency is low compared to EV.

EV is mega trend , hard to overturn. Maybe by time hydrogen take off, EV charging technology improve charging matter of minutes
 
Two more years. Meanwhile look hydrogen cars claim 1500 km between refills which brakes just minutes by changing empty containers for filled ones.

It takes a lot of energy to produce hydrogen and the infrastructure is not going to be in place in time. There may be a niche market for long haul freight but thats about it I think.
 
Japan may have unveiled first 100% lithium engine: It's a historic blow to Chinese cars
Ford researched the hydrogen engine for years: They have created a prototype that was thought impossible
Japan has long been known for its automotive industry, and this discovery may change the automotive world as it is known today. The country, through Nissan, has recently been said to have released the first-ever 100% lithium-ion engine. This is a revolutionary development, particularly when lithium limitations have forced many manufacturers to consider other materials, such as aluminum alloys.

Nonetheless, Nissan’s decision to use lithium in all parts of the engine that can accommodate it might be transformative in the EV industry. It would place Japan at the vanguard of the next generation of automobile manufacturing while delivering a competitive strike against China’s ascending EV industry.

This revolutionary engine could redefine electric vehicle performance and efficiency
The 100% lithium engine announced by Nissan for hybrid and electric vehicles is believed to deliver performance and fuel efficiency never seen before. Lithium is lighter than other aluminum alloys, and thus, the use of lithium in the construction of the engine decreases the overall weight of the engine and increases acceleration capacity and fuel efficiency.

The efficiency and effectiveness of the electric motor and the combustion engine are crucial in hybrid cars, making this analysis particularly important. Nissan has already had a taste for the success of hybrid technology and how it is possible to blend the petrol engine and the electric motor to make a car that is the best in both worlds.

The use of lithium in more engine components will also enhance acceleration and response to energy storage and regeneration upon deceleration. This will, in turn, enhance efficiency, reduce energy use, and increase the driving distance—a significant factor that environmentally conscious buyers will significantly appreciate.

Understanding the pivotal role lithium plays in automotive advancements today
Lithium has dominated the automotive industry in recent years because of its focus on battery production. Lithium-ion batteries are used in most electric cars to store and provide power. Nissan’s new hybrid cars have shown that lithium-ion batteries offer better fuel economy and can better store energy in regenerative braking. To advance from using lithium only in the battery to using it in other parts of the engine is a strategic shift. Still, this element is underlined as critical in the search for cleaner, efficient transport.

There are few resources for lithium, and most car manufacturing companies have had to look for other materials, but Japan doubling the use of lithium is a calculated move. Nissan might already be betting on the long-term viability of lithium sources if it invests in new battery technology and boosts lithium consumption in its engines. This decision forces other automakers, especially in China, to reconsider their strategies of sourcing as well as the kind of materials they use.

How Japan’s innovation poses a severe challenge to Chinese electric vehicle dominance
China has shifted the production of electric cars to the next level and has become the leading manufacturer. However, the recent announcement by Japan of a 100% lithium engine may disturb this balance. Chinese competitors, while very good in battery production, are not near Nissan’s level of vertical integration. In this way, by fully utilizing lithium, Japan can provide its vehicles with a performance advantage that Chinese competitors may be unable to overcome due to uncertain supply chains.

However, besides performance, there are additional benefits to using a fully lithium-powered engine. It also has implications for the environment too. The engines would make vehicles emit even fewer emissions and use less energy because of improved fuel economy and regenerative braking. This follows global trends by reducing carbon footprints and may give Japan an advantage in markets inclined towards environmentally friendly technologies.

Looking ahead: The bright future of lithium in automotive engineering innovation
The recent presentation of the first 100% lithium engine is a step forward in the history of ICE, but it is only the first step. In the future, other manufacturers will also look at opportunities for lithium in parts of the car other than the battery, as Nissan has already done.

The decision to stick with lithium instead of looking for something that could replace it is a move that could define the struggle for superior, environmentally friendly cars. Japan’s innovation is a turning point in the shift from general combustion engines to electric and hybrids.

By challenging the lithium capabilities, Nissan has successfully provided the foundation for the future generation of engines to taste a new dimension of performance, efficiency, and environmental compliance in the automotive market. This breakthrough, which is also due to the increase in competition, will not only be observed in Japan but can change the future of car manufacturing.

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