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Employing PRCs: Mark Lee defends himself

cass888

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That is a wrong mentally, the Gov't is getting FTs that don't have a family in Singapore (and thus they don't need personal time with their families) to compete with Singaporeans who have a mentally. This is unfair competition.

The Gov't let all these peasants from 3rd world country to compete with Singaporeans.

Let me ask you something, how do you feel towards the Gov't for giving these very FTs, PRs and Citizenship?

If we need the FTs, PRs and new Citizens to keep the economy moving up, then so be it. Else we'll just end up rotting with the countries which have decayed from employers' rights BS (see what happened to the mighty European empires).

And the Japanese, even with their families etc, are still prepared to do all it takes to get the job done. So your argument doesn't hold water - our society is just starting to get so pampered and needs competition from the FTs to keep them on their toes.
 

littlefish

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If the locals won't work when the FTs will, then it is the local's problem with being unemployed. That's the bottom line and it is good that the government recognises that the employers do not owe the employees a living.

It depends on the balance of power. If everyone wants to make $$$ at all costs (even if it means trampling on others), then everything is fine and everyone is happy. When enough people start questioning why they need to follow this mentality, things will change as long as the government does not put up artificial barriers to impede the trend. What is happening now is exactly that, the government will go to any lengths to ensure that no one questions the official line of $$$ above all else.
 

cass888

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It depends on the balance of power. If everyone wants to make $$$ at all costs (even if it means trampling on others), then everything is fine and everyone is happy. When enough people start questioning why they need to follow this mentality, things will change as long as the government does not put up artificial barriers to impede the trend. What is happening now is exactly that, the government will go to any lengths to ensure that no one questions the official line of $$$ above all else.

The government did not put up artificial barriers. It took them down.
 

littlefish

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The government did not put up artificial barriers. It took them down.

Really? Why then are they scared of even just one person holding a sign protesting about a policy? Prosecuting someone doing this is not a barrier? Raising election deposit to $13K is not a barrier? The only barrier they lowered was the qualifications needed to work in SG.
 

tonychat

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That's the problem. World doesn't owe you a living.

Of course the sinkies dun own your sinkie govt a living. So sinkies can question them and throw them out.

but of course, the balls question comes into play.
 

SIFU

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Of course the sinkies dun own your sinkie govt a living. So sinkies can question them and throw them out.

but of course, the balls question comes into play.

CB kia tonychat,

english like fuck again..:oIo:

'owe' lah..

'own' your lan cheow:oIo:
 

cass888

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Really? Why then are they scared of even just one person holding a sign protesting about a policy? Prosecuting someone doing this is not a barrier? Raising election deposit to $13K is not a barrier? The only barrier they lowered was the qualifications needed to work in SG.

Don't have $13k as deposit (REFUNDABLE if you get more than 12.5%) is a barrier only for those who shouldn't be candidates in the first place.
 

littlefish

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Don't have $13k as deposit (REFUNDABLE if you get more than 12.5%) is a barrier only for those who shouldn't be candidates in the first place.

And why should this barrier be there? Who decides how high to set this barrier? Are you withdrawing your statement about the government not putting up artificial barriers?
 

cass888

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And why should this barrier be there? Who decides how high to set this barrier? Are you withdrawing your statement about the government not putting up artificial barriers?

I am talking about taking down artificial barriers to prevent sweepers from demanding $2k a month.
 

halsey02

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If we need the FTs, PRs and new Citizens to keep the economy moving up, then so be it. Else we'll just end up rotting with the countries which have decayed from employers' rights BS (see what happened to the mighty European empires).

And the Japanese, even with their families etc, are still prepared to do all it takes to get the job done. So your argument doesn't hold water - our society is just starting to get so pampered and needs competition from the FTs to keep them on their toes.

Clap! clap! true!..buit the Japanese constituents not onlly do their bit, they make sure that the incumbent they vote for do their bit... and vote for a change, when their 'bit' is not fufilled...here, it is s different story..it is like comparing sushi with MEE SIAM mai hum!:rolleyes:
 

halsey02

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If that 'scareface' lee had learnt from the businessmen of old, he makes money, nobody will ever know.

Being a 'teochew hao lian'...now everybody will watch, and when his business fails, let us see if he needs a cash counting machine to pay his PRC's staff....no money to pay them, they will protest outsides all his stores..and "STAFF" him...

Really, a big 'teochew, hao lian"...
 

iamtalkinglah

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If we need the FTs, PRs and new Citizens to keep the economy moving up, then so be it. Else we'll just end up rotting with the countries which have decayed from employers' rights BS (see what happened to the mighty European empires).

And the Japanese, even with their families etc, are still prepared to do all it takes to get the job done. So your argument doesn't hold water - our society is just starting to get so pampered and needs competition from the FTs to keep them on their toes.

You have been brainwashed by the Singapore media.
Do you know how many foreigners and PRs are there in Singapore?
Which country in the world have the same amount of foreigners and PRs (in proportion)?

Let's me ask you, how does bringing in a PRC as cleaner/sales assistant/engineer/BTW, what is your occupation? increases competition from the FTs to keep them on their toes?

You obviously haven read this (see below). And if you say my arguments doesn't hold water, try rebutting this article, let's see how well you fair.

(FYI, Singaporeans works the longest hours, even overtaking Japan.)
Six major flaws of the PAP’s immigration policies:
1. Too many, too soon:
Sg has been accepting immigrants since the 1980s and 1990s from Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong and Taiwan without causing much discomfort to the local population.
This is because the immigrants have come in smaller numbers and are similar to Sgans in terms of culture, language and beliefs and have few problems assimilating into Sg society.
The pace of immigration picked up when Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong assumed office in 2003 and all of sudden the floodgates are opened to accept foreigners from all over the world especially China and India where the majority of the newcomers hail from.
In the span of less than 5 years, foreigners now make up 36 per cent of Sg’s population, up from 14 per cent in 1990. Of the remaining 64 per cent who are citizens, a significant proportion are new immigrants born overseas.
Does Sg really need to let so many foreigners into the country within such a short period of time?
In 2008 alone, there were over 90,000 PRs and 20,000 new citizens which is obviously stretching the nation’s infrastructure, such as public housing to accommodate all of them.
PM Lee now promised Sgans that the rate of immigration will be continued in a “measured and calibrated” manner. Is this a tacit admission that the uncontrolled influx of immigrants between the years 2003 – 2008 had been a mistake?

2. Inadequate infrastructure such as public housing to accommodate newcomers:
It doesn’t take a genius to realize that with so many foreigners flocking to study, work and live in Sg, one needs to increase the number of public amenities and upgrade the infrastructure to accommodate them such as public housing.
Only slightly more than 11,000 new flats were built between the years 2006 – 2008 when there were over 90,000 PRs and 20,000 new citizens alone in 2008:
The lack of foresight on the part of HDB to plan beforehand to build more new flats to house the immigrants is appalling and its failure to do so has led to sky-rocketing HDB flat prices today.

Due to the lack of new flats, especially those in the prime districts, Sgans have to compete with PRs in the resale flats which resulted naturally in the rise of the prices of resale flats.
Public transport such as buses and MRTs are also poorly prepared for the increase in population as evidenced by the packed buses and trains every morning.

3. Targeting the wrong people:
Sg should be targeting foreigners who can add value to Sg and not open its doors indiscriminately to every Tom, Dick or Harry.
Mainland China is one important source of immigrants for Sg, but we are not getting their cream of the crop.
According to a Gallup poll done in July 2009 among Chinese college students, their top emigration destination is the United States, followed by France and South Korea. Sg isn’t even featured among the top five.
Why isn’t Sg attracting the best Chinese talents? Instead of examining the cause, we settle for their “lesser talents”, many of whom are uncouth peasants from the poorer inland provinces.
What Sg is getting are not first class talents but economic migrants who cannot survive in their own countries and they are now competing with Sgans for limited jobs because they cost much less.

China is vast country with 23 provinces and more than 1 billion people of various races and religions.
The ethnic Chinese in Sg come mostly from the southern provinces of Guangdong and Fujian.
Sg should be focusing on luring prospective migrants from these two provinces instead of allowing Chinese from all across the mainland to come here.
As they share the same dialect and culture as local Chinese, they will have fewer problems integrating into Sg society as compared to Chinese from far-flung inland provinces who come from a completely alien world altogether.

4. Ease of getting PR and citizenship:
Unlike countries, getting a PR and citizenship in Sg is incredibly easy without any major restrictions.

Most developed countries like Australia, Canada and U.K set an English proficiency test for immigrants and only those who pass the test are able to work and live there.

In Australia, one has to live there three out of a period of five years before they are eligible to become PRs.

However in Sg, the newcomers are “fast-tracked” to become PRs and citizens without first familiarizing themselves with the country first and spending adequate time to make the decision.

A Chinese national and Sg PR Zhang Yuanyuan who worked as a teacher in a private institution in Sg revealed to the media that she became a PR within 2 months of application.

Even construction workers, cleaners, masseurs and prostitutes are able to lay their lands on a Sg PR, the stepping stone for citizenship.

According to the Home Affairs Ministry, two out of every three PR applicants are successful, an astonishingly high success rate for a first world country.

Because citizenships are given out too soon to foreigners, there is insufficient time for both parties to assess if they are really “compatible” with each other.

5. Lack of a comprehensive plan to integrate the newcomers:
Due to the large number of unsuitable migrants who are given citizenships too soon, we now end up with the problem of having to integrate them.

Again, the ruling party did not come up with a comprehensive plan to integrate the newcomers when they embarked on their ambitious plan to increase Sg’s population via immigration way back in 2003.

It is now very difficult to integrate those who are already in Sg because they have come in such big numbers that they tend to congregate within their own communities than to reach out to the rest of Sg.

We are already seeing ethnic “enclaves” emerging in different parts of Sg such as the Chinese in Geylang, Indians in Punggol and Filipinos in Tampines.

Furthermore, as they share few similarities with the Chinese, Malays and Indians though they may be of the same race, it is near impossible to expect them to assimilate into our society any time soon.

As usual, the ruling party comes up with a grandiose $10 million Community Integration Fund to throw money at the problem.

How does organizing tea parties, community events and free language courses help to “integrate” the immigrants into Sg is anybody’s guess when they should have done their homework first before opening the floodgates to immigration.
 

iamtalkinglah

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Con't from above.
They will simply turn up for the free food and goodies before return to their own cliques as before – do you call this “integration”?

6. Neglect of native Sgans:
The key reason why many Sgans are so vehemently against the ruling party’s immigration policies is because they feel they are not getting a fair deal as citizens from the elected government of the day.

Dr Vivian Balakrishnan said the government cannot “shield” Sgans from competition, but they are the ones who forced Sgans to compete with foreigners on unequal terms.

Firstly, the Sg male is already disadvantaged by having to spend 4 weeks away from work annually due to reservist obligations.

Secondly, there is no way Sgans can compete with foreigners in terms of cost because they do not have a family here and they can easily support them back home with their meager pay earned in Sg.

While in the past only extremely qualified professionals and blue collar workers in sectors shunned by Sgans are allowed into Sg, we are now seeing an increasing number of semi-skilled foreigners on S-passes and these are the group of foreigners who are competing with locals for jobs and depressing their wages in the process.

To exacerbate the situation, there is a dearth of social welfare benefits for Sg citizens who have to depend entirely on their CPF and medisave for retirement and medical expenses.
CPF is proving to be grossly inadequate to support Sgans through their twilight years and many have to continue working just to feed themselves and their families.

With so many grouses bottled up inside, it is only natural to expect Sgans to blame foreigners for their woes, whether rightly or wrongly.
Had the ruling party taken the necessary measures to ensure that Sgans are well taken care of first before they let the foreigners in, there will not be so much anger against them now.

Conclusion:
The PAP has screwed up badly on the immigration and foreign talent issues and there is no way it can salvage the situation now that we have accepted so many foreigners into our midst.

This policy oversight is the result of having a dominant one party in parliament without adequate opposition to keep it in check and to challenge its policies.

During a speech made yesterday at an event to celebrate HDB’s 50th anniversary, Sg’s octogenarian leader Lee Kuan Yew, one of its strongest proponents for its “foreigner first” policy, admitted tacitly that it was a mistake:

“We’ve grown in the last five years by just importing labour. Now, the people feel uncomfortable, there are too many foreigners. Trains are overcrowded with foreigners, buses too, property prices have gone up because foreigners with permanent residence are buying into the market.”

We cannot afford to give the PAP another 5 years to make more mistakes. Sgans have to vote wisely in the next general election or they will really be reduced to being in the minority one day, swarmed by the new citizens whom the PAP is actively recruiting and wooing to shore up its flagging support base so as to preseve and perpetuate its political hegemony for eternality.
 
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