Dual Citizenship / NS Obligations / HDB Flats and Migration

[Dingo747]

Hi koala88,

My family have migrated but my son is also liable for NS on application although he left Sg before 13, now I have to apply exit permit for him and that is only valid for 2 years, after that cmpb want him to travel back to sg to apply, may I know your advise? Thank you.

 

[laksa]

Dual citizenship not right for now, but Govt will keep an open mind: DPM Teo

Mar 07, 2013
By Janice Heng

Singapore is now not in a situation where allowing Singaporeans to hold dual citizenship will strengthen it "as a people or a nation," Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean said on Thursday.

"Allowing Singaporeans to retain or acquire a second citizenship is unlikely to enhance identity but could dilute it," he said, in response to Nominated MP Eugene Tan's Parliamentary question on the necessary pre-conditions before Singapore is prepared to accept dual citizenship.

Mr Tan then asked if, given the trend of more marriages between Singaporeans and those of other nationalities, dual nationality might help children of such marriages have a connection with Singapore. He asked if Singapore should "keep an open mind."

To this, Mr Teo agreed, saying that although Singapore should not allow dual citizenship at this point in time, "we should always keep an open mind".

http://www.straitstimes.com/microsi...now-govt-will-keep-open-mind-dpm-teo-20130307

 

[neddy]

Dual citizenship not right for now, but Govt will keep an open mind: DPM Teo

Mar 07, 2013
By Janice Heng

Singapore is now not in a situation where allowing Singaporeans to hold dual citizenship will strengthen it "as a people or a nation," Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean said on Thursday.

"Allowing Singaporeans to retain or acquire a second citizenship is unlikely to enhance identity but could dilute it," he said, in response to Nominated MP Eugene Tan's Parliamentary question on the necessary pre-conditions before Singapore is prepared to accept dual citizenship.

Mr Tan then asked if, given the trend of more marriages between Singaporeans and those of other nationalities, dual nationality might help children of such marriages have a connection with Singapore. He asked if Singapore should "keep an open mind."

To this, Mr Teo agreed, saying that although Singapore should not allow dual citizenship at this point in time, "we should always keep an open mind".

Sound like a big heap of poo talk to me.
You can have dual citizenship if you keep quiet and travel on non-Singapore passports. A lot of Singaporean women are doing that when they follow their hubbys back to "his country".
How do government control globalised marriages?

The Open-Mind thing is that, if you are the ministers' overseas kids, you can even travel on Singapore passports. No questions asked.

 

[koala88]

Hi koala88,

My family have migrated but my son is also liable for NS on application although he left Sg before 13, now I have to apply exit permit for him and that is only valid for 2 years, after that cmpb want him to travel back to sg to apply, may I know your advise? Thank you.

Hi Dingo,

You can always apply the exit permit via the internet. There is no need to fly back.

Ask CMPB to buy your son airticket if they want your son to travel back to SG to apply.

If ever your son fly back using a Singapore passport, your son is deemed to have benefited from being a Singapore citizen and so he must serve his NS when he turned 18. What shit is that really!

To ensure your son successfully apply for his "Deferment from National Service pending Renunciation of Singapore Citizenship at age 21", the way to go is not to fly back to SG or anywhere using the SG passport. Go and apply for your son a foreign passport and fly using that foreign passport.

Don't ever renew that worthless SG passport when it expires. Just let it expire and keep it.

Where ever you are, just stay there, take up citizenship when your son qualifies, get a new passport from your new country and fly with passport. NEVER WITH SG PASSPORT.

CMPB will ask you to submit photocopies of your son's passport - every page of it when your son apply for his deferment.

So long as there is a stamp on that SG passport after that cut off date - finito. Your son will have to serve NS and all your effort will be wasted.

Meantime, just be happy being stuck in where ever you are. If you can weather through this difficult times, your son should be on the way to getting himself out of NS. Otherwise our very unforgiving pro-foreigner and anti Singaporean government will get your son back for his NS. Just remember how loving is Singapore government towards Singaporeans.

Hope this is clear enough.

 

[koala88]

Sound like a big heap of poo talk to me.
You can have dual citizenship if you keep quiet and travel on non-Singapore passports. A lot of Singaporean women are doing that when they follow their hubbys back to "his country".
How do government control globalised marriages?

The Open-Mind thing is that, if you are the ministers' overseas kids, you can even travel on Singapore passports. No questions asked.

Of course it is a big heap of poo talk! Totally agree with you!

 

[Confused]

Let's say a person go overseas with family before 11 but forgot to apply for exit permit all this time, so never sign any bond. Now this person almost 18, already got foreign passport, then receive letter to register for NS. If don't do NS what will happen? Do they still ask to apply exit permit and pay bond?

 

[neddy]

Does anyone know if a foreign passport holder Singaporean who declare himself Muslim, need to serve in Singapore NS?

Also, how about someone serving in the ADF (Australian Defence Force) still need to serve Singapore NS? Can he report to CMPB in the Australian Army Reserve uniform.




How come only Singapore schools students can defer but not overseas? How come Singapore still have archaic laws. Other countries govt feed a Singaporean to 18yo but the Singaporean still need to serve NS?


According to http://www.contactsingapore.sg/inve...s/residency_and_citizenship/national_service/

Registration for NS

Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents are liable for National Service (NS). Upon reaching the age of 16 ½ years, all male Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents (including those whose Singapore citizenship is a second citizenship), have to register for NS.

This requirement applies also to male children who are granted PR status under their parents’ sponsorship.

Those who are living or studying overseas will be sent registration notices from the Central Manpower Base (CMPB) to register online. A week’s notice is usually given for e-registration.

Male citizens studying in a Singapore government school or institution may apply for deferment from full-time NS pending completion of studies. This may be done online at the MINDEF website. The age limit is 18 years for enlistment of full-time NS.

The Singapore government takes evasion of NS very seriously. Anyone attempting to do so will be prosecuted and may be imprisoned for up to three years, fined up to SGD 5,000 or both.


The Singapore laws for NS is a joke, written in the dinosaur years to treat aggression in males so that obey PAP and not create an Arab Spring in Singapore. Someone I know called it "Singapore Males Obedient School" - you come out a loyal dog to serve the PAP masters.


Sidetrack.

My Israeli colleague daughter actually enlist for Israeli conscription, but his son is skipping conscription by studying the Torah. What a funny world we live in.

 

[koala88]

Let's say a person go overseas with family before 11 but forgot to apply for exit permit all this time, so never sign any bond. Now this person almost 18, already got foreign passport, then receive letter to register for NS. If don't do NS what will happen? Do they still ask to apply exit permit and pay bond?

Your very 1st post in this forum and you are funny. I wonder who you are.

Nevertheless I will try to answer your question assuming yours is a geniune question.

How can your son receive letter to register for NS when you did not apply for exit permit all this while i.e. inform Mindef your whereabout? Singapore Police had such hard time finding Mas Selamat, what about your son? Think you give them too much credit or you think too much about your son. Only subservient Sinkies accept and think like such.

If your son left Singapore before 11, never travel with a SG passport, [better still: never attend any Singapore hosted function in your new residential country, never sing Majullah Singapura in the toilet / bathroom nor recite the pledge every night before going to bed and never to have anything to do with Singapore] then he should not have benefited in anyway as a Singpore citizen since then, hence no NS for him.

When the time arrived i.e. when he turned 21, he simply e-mail Mindef and said "OMG, I didn't realised that I need to apply exit permit. My dad nor anybody ever told me that I need to." What else can they do? At most it is a fine. That is easy and the case is closed. Your son can travel in and out of Singapore without any problem thereafter with that foreign passport.

 

[koala88]

Does anyone know if a foreign passport holder Singaporean who declare himself Muslim, need to serve in Singapore NS?

Also, how about someone serving in the ADF (Australian Defence Force) still need to serve Singapore NS? Can he report to CMPB in the Australian Army Reserve uniform.




How come only Singapore schools students can defer but not overseas? How come Singapore still have archaic laws. Other countries govt feed a Singaporean to 18yo but the Singaporean still need to serve NS?


According to http://www.contactsingapore.sg/inve...s/residency_and_citizenship/national_service/

Registration for NS

Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents are liable for National Service (NS). Upon reaching the age of 16 ½ years, all male Singapore citizens and Permanent Residents (including those whose Singapore citizenship is a second citizenship), have to register for NS.

......

Male citizens studying in a Singapore government school or institution may apply for deferment from full-time NS pending completion of studies. This may be done online at the MINDEF website. The age limit is 18 years for enlistment of full-time NS.

The Singapore government takes evasion of NS very seriously. Anyone attempting to do so will be prosecuted and may be imprisoned for up to three years, fined up to SGD 5,000 or both.


The Singapore laws for NS is a joke, written in the dinosaur years to treat aggression in males so that obey PAP and not create an Arab Spring in Singapore. Someone I know called it "Singapore Males Obedient School" - you come out a loyal dog to serve the PAP masters.

Sorry, can't answer your 1st 2 questions.

As for your 3rd question, kindly refer to your "Singapore Males Obedient School" para.

It is the way SG government treated their own citizen. Government sponsored institution applies up to Polytechnic level and no more. It is an irony that you could find 21 years old chap [N level or from ITE and/or repeat some years along the way] hanging around in the poly awaiting for NS. Yet a 18 boy currently residing in a foreign land, has to fly back to serve his NS.

Those in privately run Uni in Singapore but are below 18 now will have to stop / disrupt whatever they are doing when they turned 18 and serve NS. Had he not been disrupted, he would have completed his basic Uni degreee program before turning 21. Fair or not?

Sure, the Singapore government takes evasion of NS very seriously. What about Patrick Tan? Seriously, this must be a joke.

BTW, what car are you driving now? You managed to get that car you wanted a few months ago?

 

[Confused]

How can your son receive letter to register for NS when you did not apply for exit permit all this while i.e. inform Mindef your whereabout?

They send to Singapore address and relative forward the letter. What is the correct thing to do now?

 

[koala88]

They send to Singapore address and relative forward the letter. What is the correct thing to do now?

You are really really very funny to put it politely.

They sent it to your SG address via registered post? If not, do you know where is your nearest rubbish bin?

They sent it to your SG address via registered post. Can you tell your goody good relative not to forward it to you any letter from Mindef? Just leave it there for you to collect? When you get back on your next trip, simply forget to open that letter.

BTW, how often do you get back SG? Every month or what?

 

[blindswordsman]

If another country invades sinkie land and locals have to fight and die to defend this country, would the FT holding dual citizenship still stay back to defend too?
With dual citizenship, where is your patriotism? Which country would you die for? Your birth country or this red dot? Dual citizenship is just an exploitation to carve out an escape route in times of trouble in sinkie land. Espionage is a fact of life. Would you help your birth country to spy on and destroy SG?

The British Govt gave up SG to the Japanese who then slaughtered locals in WW2. No one defended SG at that time, no one cared. The locals were forced to join underground to resist the Japs and paid dearly. Would history repeat itself? Wait and see.

The Govt should not allow dual citizenship if SG is to survive as a nation. Either you are a pure Singaporean in heart and soul or you are a fake with dual citizenship.

 

[Confused]

They sent it to your SG address via registered post. Can you tell your goody good relative not to forward it to you any letter from Mindef? Just leave it there for you to collect? When you get back on your next trip, simply forget to open that letter.

BTW, how often do you get back SG?

Already too late. Letter already forwarded. Go back maybe every 2 or 3 years once.

Is it true after Melvyn Tan case parents can get fine 10k and jail 3 years.

 

[Spock]

If another country invades sinkie land and locals have to fight and die to defend this country, would the FT holding dual citizenship still stay back to defend too?
With dual citizenship, where is your patriotism? Which country would you die for? Your birth country or this red dot? Dual citizenship is just an exploitation to carve out an escape route in times of trouble in sinkie land. Espionage is a fact of life. Would you help your birth country to spy on and destroy SG?

The British Govt gave up SG to the Japanese who then slaughtered locals in WW2. No one defended SG at that time, no one cared. The locals were forced to join underground to resist the Japs and paid dearly. Would history repeat itself? Wait and see.

The Govt should not allow dual citizenship if SG is to survive as a nation. Either you are a pure Singaporean in heart and soul or you are a fake with dual citizenship.

Are you kidding me? You are obviously not very in tune with world trends. What makes you think those SGreans with the resources will not bail out and will stick around to fight and die with the peasants? Single citizenship is simply a punishment on the poor peasants to keep them enslaved to serve the elites.

 

[applejuice]

Already too late. Letter already forwarded. Go back maybe every 2 or 3 years once.

Is it true after Melvyn Tan case parents can get fine 10k and jail 3 years.

Life time imprisonment. To die in jail. "Get out of jail" card not applicable.

 

[neddy]

If another country invades sinkie land and locals have to fight and die to defend this country, would the FT holding dual citizenship still stay back to defend too?
With dual citizenship, where is your patriotism? Which country would you die for? Your birth country or this red dot? Dual citizenship is just an exploitation to carve out an escape route in times of trouble in sinkie land. Espionage is a fact of life. Would you help your birth country to spy on and destroy SG?

The British Govt gave up SG to the Japanese who then slaughtered locals in WW2. No one defended SG at that time, no one cared. The locals were forced to join underground to resist the Japs and paid dearly. Would history repeat itself? Wait and see.

The Govt should not allow dual citizenship if SG is to survive as a nation. Either you are a pure Singaporean in heart and soul or you are a fake with dual citizenship.

My elite relatives will go overseas to take cover . In their overseas homes where my cousins live, they will hope to return to take over when things are peaceful again. Just like the Brits.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

The Brits actually made an effort to fight the Japs,,they sent reinforcements etc but when they arrived Percival surrendered..so the reinforcements got marched off to the POW camps,,and of course the Burma road,,the reason why Spore was conquered so easily was the Poms were freaking incompetent and they underestimated the japanese which was stupid. The Jap army was trained on German lines and the Navy by the Pommie navy..if the Brits were more competent and prepared, the Japs would have been driven back to the sea,,.,

If another country invades sinkie land and locals have to fight and die to defend this country, would the FT holding dual citizenship still stay back to defend too?
With dual citizenship, where is your patriotism? Which country would you die for? Your birth country or this red dot? Dual citizenship is just an exploitation to carve out an escape route in times of trouble in sinkie land. Espionage is a fact of life. Would you help your birth country to spy on and destroy SG?

The British Govt gave up SG to the Japanese who then slaughtered locals in WW2. No one defended SG at that time, no one cared. The locals were forced to join underground to resist the Japs and paid dearly. Would history repeat itself? Wait and see.

The Govt should not allow dual citizenship if SG is to survive as a nation. Either you are a pure Singaporean in heart and soul or you are a fake with dual citizenship.

 

[neddy]

The Brits actually made an effort to fight the Japs,,they sent reinforcements etc but when they arrived Percival surrendered..so the reinforcements got marched off to the POW camps,,and of course the Burma road,,the reason why Spore was conquered so easily was the Poms were freaking incompetent and they underestimated the japanese which was stupid. The Jap army was trained on German lines and the Navy by the Pommie navy..if the Brits were more competent and prepared, the Japs would have been driven back to the sea,,.,

Well, the superior Brits believe the Japs cannot fly at night. Just because they never expect a "mechanised" infantry cycling down the peninsula, the Brits have their guns pointing the wrong direction and the bombs were useless for land operations. 2 warships sank and the multinational force was in disarry, Indians side the Jap.

Percival was conned, the Aussie commander chickened back to convict land and there are a number of leaders who cannot withstand Singapore weather without their luxurious lives, taxi-dancers and gin & tonic. I see the same problems with the hush hush Singapore elites.

 

[winnipegjets]

Only sinkees who qualify as elites can have dual, triple citizenship. Ah Tiongs and Ah Nehs can have dual citizenships too. That's the reality in sinkapore.

 

[Spock]

Single citizenship is simply a punishment on the poor peasants to keep them enslaved to serve the elites.

Meant to say that single citizenship is simply a ploy to make the poor peasants believe that all SGreans are stuck with SG so that they will be happy with being enslaved.