Did the Egyptian build the Pyramid?

[hairylee]

Any such "suspicion" without evidence cannot be counted as science. Whether it is a scientist doing it or a layperson, it is of equal value. But if the stories of legendary cities such Atlantis is true, then it is likely that there were pre-historic civilisations as advanced if not more advanced than historically verified civilisations.

When scientist suspect that means they have some evidence but insufficient to conclusively put it on paper yet.
Please try to understand my post proper.

 

[Fook Seng]

When scientist suspect that means they have some evidence but insufficient to conclusively put it on paper yet.
Please try to understand my post proper.

Like that video that talked about perfect circles when one look you know she is talking in a condescending tone. During those times they are not expected to be able to construct anything representing a circle, so any circle is a perfect circle. I don't consider that as particularly scientific interpretation.

I also Wikied the place Gobekli Tepe and the article mentioned flint tools to fashion the stone. The video stated no tools were found, implying the stones could be dropped by some super advanced beings from somewhere, a more superhuman achievement? See the sensational spin to the discovery. Neither do I consider this as science.

When a "scientist" makes such claims based on such "evidences", I am not able to accord it much weight. There are two types of people. Those who believe in miracles and the unlikely and those who don't believe in miracles and look for the simpler explanations. I belong to the second group.

 

[hairylee]

Like that video that talked about perfect circles when one look you know she is talking in a condescending tone. During those times they are not expected to be able to construct anything representing a circle, so any circle is a perfect circle. I don't consider that as particularly scientific interpretation.

I also Wikied the place Gobekli Tepe and the article mentioned flint tools to fashion the stone. The video stated no tools were found, implying the stones could be dropped by some super advanced beings from somewhere, a more superhuman achievement? See the sensational spin to the discovery. Neither do I consider this as science.

When a "scientist" makes such claims based on such "evidences", I am not able to accord it much weight. There are two types of people. Those who believe in miracles and the unlikely and those who don't believe in miracles and look for the simpler explanations. I belong to the second group.

Any discoveries they need to be sounded out in the scientific community to be subjected to debate and scrutiny.
Nobody talk or believe in any miracles except you.
May I ask are you from any specialise scientific field and you are some great scientist yourself?
You sure talk like one.

 

[Fook Seng]

Any discoveries they need to be sounded out in the scientific community to be subjected to debate and scrutiny.
Nobody talk or believe in any miracles except you.
May I ask are you from any specialise scientific field and you are some great scientist yourself?
You sure talk like one.

If all these "scientists" go to their scientific community and seek endorsement from their scientific bros and sisters, we will not be speculating here. Instead many of these "scientists" prefer to go to cyberspace or publish books hoping to get support from generally gullible laypeople. We cannot term them true scientists in that sense.

Since leaving school, almost 50 years ago, I have not touch science.

 

[hairylee]

If all these "scientists" go to their scientific community and seek endorsement from their scientific bros and sisters, we will not be speculating here. Instead many of these "scientists" prefer to go to cyberspace or publish books hoping to get support from generally gullible laypeople. We cannot term them true scientists in that sense.

Since leaving school, almost 50 years ago, I have not touch science.

When these "scientiest" put their findings on cyberspace or publish books it is not their sole aim to get support from gullible lay people. It is a public service to share their findings with lay people. We public are lay people when comes to science but we are certainly not gullible. We are grateful they share their effort with the public and join them in their research journey and hopefully one day the truth will surface, just like the discovery of dinosaurs, it took a bone and now we get a picture of the dinosaur era. I was also in the same position then, what you term "gullible lay people".
I too have left school 45 years ago and I am grateful to all these "scientist", historian, archeologist, Egyptololgist, Astrologist, etc. for sharing their research effort with the public. It is a journey these people are taking. They never claim they are right or wrong. They are just voicing their opinion.
I think you left school 50 years ago, closed your mind and think that you know everything already.
My friend we are already in the information age and I am very glad that now I can get these informations, true or false, at my finger tips.
I may no longer be young but I certainly still have a open mind to process the informations available which will certainly make us less ignorant old people.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

the Egyptians will not be able to transport the stones from the quarry to the building site in the 1st place......................


the Jap construction company in the 1980's tried using the kind of boats that existed in ancient times to carry the stones.................all the boats sank..............

in fact the Japs couldn't even transport the stones to the boats in the 1st place......................the logs under the stones were crushed.................and the stones sank into the m&d on the river banks......................

in the end, the Japs used modern cranes and ships to bring the stones to the building site....................later they gave up completely becoz they couldn't build a MINI replica of the pyramid...................



also, the far older Giza pyramid was not only larger than ALL the later pyramids.....................the Giza was also far far better built..............

 

[hairylee]

the Egyptians will not be able to transport the stones from the quarry to the building site in the 1st place......................


the Jap construction company in the 1980's tried using the kind of boats that existed in ancient times to carry the stones.................all the boats sank..............

in fact the Japs couldn't even transport the stones to the boats in the 1st place......................the logs under the stones were crushed.................and the stones sank into the m&d on the river banks......................

in the end, the Japs used modern cranes and ships to bring the stones to the building site....................later they gave up completely becoz they couldn't build a MINI replica of the pyramid...................



also, the far older Giza pyramid was not only larger than ALL the later pyramids.....................the Giza was also far far better built..............

The bone of contention now between Egyptologist and other field of science is whether there was a pre-dynastic Egyptian ancient civilisation. Egyptologist insist that ancient Egyptians build all the structures found in Egypt.

 

[Conqueror]

More Advanced Than The Later Era ?

And this pre-Dynastic era was more technologically advanced than the ensuing dynasties?

No, I think that your comment is a mere assumption. How can it be more advanced than the later period ? Shouldn't it be more logical the other way round ?

 

[Conqueror]

Re: The Bible In Stone

Maybe...u guys shd watch dis...b4 giving all de credit to god instead...


[video=youtube;XJ8n_HU0vP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XJ8n_HU0vP0[/video]

No, God is definitely not alien. The concept of aliens creating stuff on the Earth belongs to the non-believers. It was Dawkin who wanted the aliens as his creator.

 

[Fook Seng]

I too have left school 45 years ago and I am grateful to all these "scientist", historian, archeologist, Egyptololgist, Astrologist, etc. for sharing their research effort with the public. It is a journey these people are taking. They never claim they are right or wrong. They are just voicing their opinion.
I think you left school 50 years ago, closed your mind and think that you know everything already.
My friend we are already in the information age and I am very glad that now I can get these informations, true or false, at my finger tips.

I totally disagree with your point of view. What you described of scientists, historians, Egyptologist, etc who presented their papers in their journals to be examined and endorsed by their professional peers are the true scientists and they gain my respect but not those who were not able to do get the same recognition from their peers but resort to sensationalisation to achieve fame. The two categories of people are quite different. One really to find out the truth, the other more to gain fame.

Just because I said since leaving school, I have not dealt with science, doesn't mean I am out of touch. If you have read some of my posts, this is very far from the truth. I only meant it only on professional basis which I believe was the intention of your question.

 

[Kinana]

don't need to over-analysis. the pyramid was simply a miracle. it's unexplainable and unfathomable..

Thats correct bro. Those who dismiss it are nobodies who don't know hat they are talking about.

 

[hairylee]

Re: More Advanced Than The Later Era ?

No, I think that your comment is a mere assumption. How can it be more advanced than the later period ? Shouldn't it be more logical the other way round ?

This is the question others are asking the Egyptologist.
Why Dynastic Egyptian started so spectacularly and their "technology" decline through the years instead of advancing.

 

[hairylee]

I totally disagree with your point of view. What you described of scientists, historians, Egyptologist, etc who presented their papers in their journals to be examined and endorsed by their professional peers are the true scientists and they gain my respect but not those who were not able to do get the same recognition from their peers but resort to sensationalisation to achieve fame. The two categories of people are quite different. One really to find out the truth, the other more to gain fame.

Just because I said since leaving school, I have not dealt with science, doesn't mean I am out of touch. If you have read some of my posts, this is very far from the truth. I only meant it only on professional basis which I believe was the intention of your question.

What you are talking are those exact sciences like physics, chemistry etc.
What we are talking are other sciences like geology, atronomy, archeology in trying to determine the "not exact" science on human history.
Like I said these people are just putting out their own findings to the public and it is for everyone to scrutinise or contribute to their research.
Please read my post properly before you come here and try to argue just for argument sake.
I think your age is clouding your mind prematurely.

 

[Fook Seng]

What you are talking are those exact sciences like physics, chemistry etc.
What we are talking are other sciences like geology, atronomy, archeology in trying to determine the "not exact" science on human history.

Again I disagree with you that the "not exact" are so not exact that there is no peer recognition and need the endorsement of the public. Those examples you mentioned although having a lot of deductions are actually quite scientific and peers can definitely agree or disagree on assumptions based on acknowledged tools of the trade. They are not wild speculations. In astronomy, for instance, very advanced maths are required how a hypothesis can be proved or disapproved and any layperson can make that kind of judgment.

 

[hairylee]

Again I disagree with you that the "not exact" are so not exact that there is no peer recognition and need the endorsement of the public. Those examples you mentioned although having a lot of deductions are actually quite scientific and peers can definitely agree or disagree on assumptions based on acknowledged tools of the trade. They are not wild speculations. In astronomy, for instance, very advanced maths are required how a hypothesis can be proved or disapproved and any layperson can make that kind of judgment.

It seems that you have totally failed to understand my post. Either you are trying to prove that you are very knowledgeable and highly educated or you are just getting senile.
If you think you are the former then please go on your ways, you need not prove it to me. I am not here to prove anything.
If you are just getting old and senile, I can understand as will for everybody will get old.

 

[PROFILER]

The bone of contention now between Egyptologist and other field of science is whether there was a pre-dynastic Egyptian ancient civilisation. Egyptologist insist that ancient Egyptians build all the structures found in Egypt.

I see that you've been reading and watching videos of this and know of there could most likely have been a pre-dynastic Egypt where the pharaohs were not the rulers. The reason this is not popular with the Egyptologists is that it makes their role a big sham and tourism will be greatly affected if the truth is out.

 

[PROFILER]

Re: More Advanced Than The Later Era ?

This is the question others are asking the Egyptologist.
Why Dynastic Egyptian started so spectacularly and their "technology" decline through the years instead of advancing.

Very perceptive. However, it is a known fact the Egyptians borrowed heavily from the Sumerians.

 

[Conqueror]

Far From It

Very perceptive. However, it is a known fact the Egyptians borrowed heavily from the Sumerians.

You mean the Sumerian Ziggurats and the Tower of Babel. The bricks were sun baked, not slabs of giant stones. Definitely, the Egyptians' one is a wonderful masterpiece.

 

[LonelyTREE]

Re: Far From It

http://educators.mfa.org/dynamic/slides/attached_file_30834.jpg

You mean the Sumerian Ziggurats and the Tower of Babel. The bricks were sun baked, not slabs of giant stones. Definitely, the Egyptians' one is a wonderful masterpiece.

I think you're referring to two different eras. The Sumerians were earlier than the Egyptians but later than the mysterious civilization that built the pyramids and Sphinx.

 

[KoalaJack]

Re: Far From It

its zeus who build it....hehehe

*interesting post until the two started arguing abt technicality