Dawning Of The Era Of Warring Parties

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Don't dream that the opposition can gain from a "messy PAP". There will be hardly.

If the PAP can exploit a "messy" opposition, the oppo can also exploit a "messy" PAP. One example: if the oppo can portray a semblance of stability in a time when the PAP appears to have many contradictory voices, wouldn't that be beneficial?

 

[Ramseth]

Don't dream that the opposition can gain from a "messy PAP". There will be hardly.

I'm not dreaming anything. You have to ask GMS about dreams.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Do you think a bunch of people who won't betray him because they owe it to him will do so when he's dead? When you owe your position to someone and am loyal to this person, you become loyal because of sense of loyalty. And if you have a sense of loyalty, you won't do otherwise when he's dead because of the same reason.

I guess the equation is not right here. It is not about "betray" or "owing position to someone". It is about the political knuckle dusters that matter. It is about the political capital that he holds as one of the first generation politicians that matters. He is one level above all, so to speak.

Loyalty? I really don't know about that. How many civil servants and ex-PAP politicians or family members have migrated once they step down from their positions? Someone must compile such statistics.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Liquigas]

With the eventual demise of the father, the son is expected to continue his full control over the party and country. DPM Wong (relative) controls the police while DPM Teo (army buddy) takes charge of the civil service and SAF which is run by SAF scholars akin to eight-banner brothers of Qing dynasty. He himself has direct control over financial resources - MOF, GIC & Temasek. Many of the biggest companies here are headed by people close to him. There is no faction within the party so that he could not be challenged. And the ruling party's machinery is siimply formidable.

Opposition will never win, not in a thousand years!

 

[aurvandil]

Thus ur public speculation is in my view premature.

In statistics, a very common technique is to use what is known as a proxy variable. This is done when the actual variable cannot be observed. You therefore measure something else which is closely related and use this to draw your conclusions about the underlying variable.

Recently, an exciting and interesting proxy variable has presented itself. Close study and careful experiments to provoke reactions from known players have yielded a large amount of insight.

Moving forward, the evolution into the "Era of Warring Parties" is by no means certain. It was much higher on the day when Dr Joe Ong was exposed. If fate had decreed that autum would happen on that weekend, then the probability of the "Era of Warring Parties" occuring would have been very high.

Fortunately or unfortunately, autum did not come. Assuming that everything is sorted out before autum comes, then the "Era of Warring Parties" would be one of those outside bets.

 

[Tan Kim Kim]

I guess the equation is not right here. It is not about "betray" or "owing position to someone". It is about the political knuckle dusters that matter. It is about the political capital that he holds as one of the first generation politicians that matters. He is one level above all, so to speak.

Loyalty? I really don't know about that. How many civil servants and ex-PAP politicians or family members have migrated once they step down from their positions? Someone must compile such statistics.

Goh Meng Seng

So what happen in Macau?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Arunvidial

Proxy variable if chosen wisely is a valid statistical and analytical tool. The problem lies in wishful fantasy, selecting variables which best suit that fantasy and situating an analysis to fit one's pre conceived notion or desire of how that reality should look.

The problem as always is that what happens within the PAP will remain an enigma wrapped in a riddle. The lack of information means a need to be discerning and to be careful in how one builds an educated guess on the barest of hints.




Locke

 

[aurvandil]

Proxy variable if chosen wisely is a valid statistical and analytical tool. The problem lies in wishful fantasy, selecting variables which best suit that fantasy and situating an analysis to fit one's pre conceived notion or desire of how that reality should look.

The problem as always is that what happens within the PAP will remain an enigma wrapped in a riddle. The lack of information means a need to be discerning and to be careful in how one builds an educated guess on the barest of hints.

That's very true. However, no one posts up everything they know onto the Internet.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear GMS

Strategy and big tactics are irrelevant if one cannot even cross the first milestone. in your case its the NSP and its electoral success or lack thereof. Getting a seat is basic strategy or tactical, the realms of warring states are in military terms strategic and operational art, there is very little point in intellectual discourse over the correct operational and strategic moves when your tactical options have not even gained and successes to date



Locke

 

[wikiphile]

Dear GMS

Strategy and big tactics are irrelevant if one cannot even cross the first milestone. in your case its the NSP and its electoral success or lack thereof. Getting a seat is basic strategy or tactical, the realms of warring states are in military terms strategic and operational art, there is very little point in intellectual discourse over the correct operational and strategic moves when your tactical options have not even gained and successes to date



Locke

I believe in really simple english, what you are trying to say is:

You don't even have a goddamn seat, what kind of plans are you even talking about?

That so?

 

[aurvandil]

Strategy and big tactics are irrelevant if one cannot even cross the first milestone. in your case its the NSP and its electoral success or lack thereof.

In these confusing times, you don't even have to cross the "first milestone" to be a player. Some time back, I mentioned that feelers had been sent out after the death of Mrs Lee. Offer of financial support and indirect aid.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear GMS

Strategy and big tactics are irrelevant if one cannot even cross the first milestone. in your case its the NSP and its electoral success or lack thereof. Getting a seat is basic strategy or tactical, the realms of warring states are in military terms strategic and operational art, there is very little point in intellectual discourse over the correct operational and strategic moves when your tactical options have not even gained and successes to date



Locke

In statistical terms, linear regression is actually flawed where you tends to depend on pass failures for future predictions. In such a case where you are projecting, you are simply saying that because in the past there is no success, thus the future is not be. This is flawed because there will always be the first incident break through which may not depend on past certainties. In fact, such break through CANNOT base on past certainties.

The break through is normally achieved by incidents not based on past practices but rather new ingredients and situations arises which new strategies and tactical moves made.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[cass888]

Dear Locke,

Simply put, no strategy or no tactic which match the bigger happening around us, you will get no seats. It's just a chicken and egg problem.

Goh Meng Seng

And do you endorse or condemn chee's letters to MM Lee?

 

[scroobal]

I think you are sadly mistaken if you hoping for an outlier outcome.

NSP has a very poor record for obvious reasons. If you look at their history and the people behind it, their aim had nothing to do winning a seat. Their aim was to stand for elections and the joy of acting like opposition candidates. Shiok Sendiri!

They have lost their deposits before. That is telling.

Your best bet is carve an identity that is distinctly non-NSP. Whether intentionally or unintentionally you have managed to do that. You have also managed to identify Mah and the HDB planning as the weak link rather than identify NSP or you are an asset or better alternative.

If you win votes, it because Mah is hopeless and the HDB policy of late has failed.

So far so good. Don't deviate.

If any else happens it has nothing to do with NSP or you.

In statistical terms, linear regression is actually flawed where you tends to depend on pass failures for future predictions. In such a case where you are projecting, you are simply saying that because in the past there is no success, thus the future is not be. This is flawed because there will always be the first incident break through which may not depend on past certainties. In fact, such break through CANNOT base on past certainties.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I think you are sadly mistaken if you hoping for an outlier outcome.

Your best bet is carve an identity that is distinctly non-NSP. Whether intentionally or unintentionally you have managed to do that. You have also managed to identify Mah and the HDB planning as the weak link rather than identify NSP or you are an asset or better alternative.

If you win votes, it because Mah is hopeless and the HDB policy of late has failed.

So far so good. Don't deviate.

If any else happens it has nothing to do with NSP or you.

Dear Scroobal,

You are spot on.

This is a distinctive change in strategy. No matter which platform I am on, it makes no difference but I know I cannot use this strategy if I am in other parties.

This is actually what I say, a break from the past strategies or tactics which have been applied. It would be interesting to see how this works out.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Ramseth]

The best tactic for actually starting to win seats is not representation of national issues in Parliament. It's been proven to be convincing your targetted ward that you'll take good care of them and the ward. The reverse was how Seet Ai Mee and Ng Pock Too lost their seats to Ling How Doong and Cheo Chai Chen. They were given a chance when PAP MPs were too haughty and lofty for the residents' liking. They blew it and lost their seats back. Chiam See Tong and Low Thia Khiang understood that and kept their seats.

It's the confidence of the voters in your ward that you'll take good care of them and the ward that constitutes the mandate for you to speak in Parliament for them.

It's got nothing to do with the MP chairmanship of town council system. It's been this way all the while since original Westminster system. It's called a political base.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

It's got nothing to do with the MP chairmanship of town council system. It's been this way all the while since original Westminster system. It's called a political base.

Dear Ramseth,

Have you ever wonder opposition has not grown beyond the two seats?

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Ramseth]

Have you ever wonder opposition has not grown beyond the two seats?

My guess is most candidates want to get into Parliament and talk as if they've become Ministers without taking care of their wards.

PAP has invented something for people like that. NMP and NCMP. No ward.

 

[Tan Kim Kim]

Dear Ramseth,

Have you ever wonder opposition has not grown beyond the two seats?

Goh Meng Seng

Whaha you can't even gain minor supports in a pro oppositions forum, and turns so many hardcore opposition supporters against you. You think middle grd will vote for you? Still want to talk big, dream on. BTW what happen at Macau

 

[Alamaking]

Zhou? Zhou lu eh si lang tow ah !!

I wrap Siow Fei's bra over your bespectacled face, then you know ah !!!:oIo:

WTF, how you know i wear specs?