CST's Wife Falling into 154th's Trap!

[elephanto]

Dear Elephanto
We would not bee having this discussion at all if Dr Chee had clearly admitted to what the rest of us can see. ..
Locke

That is the CEC vote was in fact a contest of leadership for the SDP and the competition over his censure was nothing but naked party politics.
Spot on, Bro locke !
Chee ill not admit to that, wants us to believe that Chiam resigned in a huff, and that there was no background machivellian manuverings whether lead by him or someone else within the CEC and that Dr Chee is politically white as snow.
There are many salient points in this one para:-
1. yes, Chee is no innocent - certainly not snow white
2. locke seriously, Chiam DID resign in a huff - perhaps never wholeheartedly. His fury blinded him, outrage at his CEC for not supporting him in his desire to censure Chee.
3. yes, agree. there are maneuvers behind the scene against Chiam.
Ling, Cheo, Chairman Wong, young Turk Chee .... all culpable to some degree. But why ?

That Chiam was synonymous with SDP by 1991 was undisputed. I don't know if SDP's great showing in GE'91 had gone to Chiam's head - but he had underestimated the resentment of his party colleagues to his intended/unintended 'autocratic' style. I think Ling/Cheo/Wong & others are nursing unhappiness with Chiam's 'media decrees' & 'party edicts'.

So, these clowns want a move towards more 'collective leadership' & less Chiam as paramount SDP leader.

So they refused to go along with Chiam when he demanded his Chee censures. When Chiam threw in his resignation, they were certainly not prepared & wanted him to remain the public face of SDP while being less dominant within. Chiam's condition for rescinding his resignation was to demand more say for himself & curtailing the CEC's powers. Given this impasse, the reinstatement of Chiam as Sec-Gen became an impossibility.

Ling/Wong/Cheo whether proficiency in English public speaking or charisma were all not suited to be Sec-Gen. So, Chee was their 'United Front' candidate - they thought they could use him & still have influence over the political rookie. Chee, no party wallflower, of course 'reluctantly' agreed to be Ag Sec-Gen, seeing his act as an act of saving SDP. ha ha just a bunch of opportunists whose interests converged at that point in time .... true allies ? In due course, these jokers also cannot submit to Chee's leadership.

When Chiam in a public forum chastised his SDP CEC opponents, they took the opportunity to hold disciplinary proceedings against Chiam.

I always had low opinion of Ling, Cheo & Wong but their expulsion of Chiam was unforgiveable, myopic & poisonous. Don't they realise they are throwing out Chiam from Parliament by expelling him ??!!

The height of arrogance & ignorance ... as if SDP's 1991 performance had nothing to do with Chiam & they are on the verge of seeing more SDP triumphs .....

Anyway, the above is my perception & interpretation of events as an outsider. You are perfectly within your rights to disagree.

As for contempt for Chee, I resented his glucose-aided fast, his Jurong Market public shout-down of PM Goh, his US trip to embarass Goh during his honorary doctorate award ceremony & all his overseas pow-wow & so-called 'fellowship' with other Asian 'democrats'.

In recent years, Chee seemed to have mellowed. SDP also seemed better organized & structured under his leadership.

For now. That is my impression.

But remove Chiam, SPP is nothing compared to a Chee-less SDP.

That is what I mean by leadership & organizational skills & the ability to attract good calibre members to form a leadership echelon.

But one thing though, people like yourself locke & all these people I have commented on, for your resilience & dedication to the Sporean opposition cause, I commend you all.

 

[methink]

On the contrary, I think Ms Chiam scored big time with a short and simple explanation. It is probably worth more than the whole clarification earlier put together.

How did she score big time when she scored an own goal? Probably worth more than a foolish own goal... the prize of P Pasir!

 

[Ramseth]

We would not bee having this discussion at all if Dr Chee had clearly admitted to what the rest of us can see. That is the CEC vote was in fact a contest of leadership for the SDP and the competition over his censure was nothing but naked party politics. Chee ill not admit to that, wants us to believe that Chiam resigned in a huff, and that there was no background machivellian manuverings whether lead by him or someone else within the CEC and that Dr Chee is politically white as snow.

Following on that issue. CST as boss tried to censure Dr Chee :_)). What did CSJ do as Boss to Dr Chee when he crossed the line..........Chee tried to destroy CST by expelling him from the party. That started my contempt of the man

I'm surprised at your political myopia considering your supposedly considerable political education. CST threw down the gauntlet, drew sword and drew first blood by trying to censure CSJ, obviously seeing CSJ as a threat to his position in party leadership by then. CSJ had to retaliate, otherwise he had to resign. What future would there be in a party with a censure record? It was a matter of who had more support. CSJ won unaminously. That's democracy. There's no right or wrong.

In any case, not being a big fan of CSJ, I have to be fair to him. There's nothing wrong with a hunger strike if one feels aggrieved enough to do so as a protest. An opposition leader censuring an opposition for protest against the ruling party? Then oppose for what? There's also nothing wrong with taking glucose solution. It's a protest for heaven's sake, not a Japanese harakiri suicide.

 

[elephanto]

I'm surprised at your political myopia considering your supposedly considerable political education. CST threw down the gauntlet, drew sword and drew first blood by trying to censure CSJ, obviously seeing CSJ as a threat to his position in party leadership by then. CSJ had to retaliate, otherwise he had to resign. What future would there be in a party with a censure record? It was a matter of who had more support. CSJ won unaminously. That's democracy. There's no right or wrong.

In any case, not being a big fan of CSJ, I have to be fair to him. There's nothing wrong with a hunger strike if one feels aggrieved enough to do so as a protest. An opposition leader censuring an opposition for protest against the ruling party? Then oppose for what? There's also nothing wrong with taking glucose solution. It's a protest for heaven's sake, not a Japanese harakiri suicide.

I agree with your sentiment & logic in general re: above.

 

[elephanto]

Actually all these are water under the bridge.

Chee & Mrs Chiam's fears are unfounded.
The younger generation can get a fairly accurate picture of Chiam & SDP parting ways from the published records out there - no need to feel anyone will be misled.

Chiam lost his support within SDP - so he lost his party & just as he had moved to SPP, we should all MOVE ON.

There's so much to do out there for the Opposition's cause in the coming GE.

Chee had extended olive branches over the years & Chiam's invitation of & Chee's presence at his 25th MP Anniversary dinner are all acts of civility that should be further encouraged instead of exhuming dead remains of the past.

Really, SPH & Mediacorp just extend interviews thru their ZaoBao & Today, and we start having Dr Chee-Mrs Chiam & Kenneth Jeyaretnam-Ng Teck Siong exchanges & refutations .....

so easy to rock the opposition boat & create heated red faces among opp supporters ? !

 

[gbomega]

Opposition is so weak and you keep fighting and squandering among yourselves. You have yourselves to blame. Don't blame stinkies for not voting you.

 

[popdod]

At this point of time.....i rather she keep quiet and work on the ground.
No point nitpicking the past when the crucial period is cumming.

She should spent her focus on the coming erection.
then seeking justice for her hubby.

Can someone send a msg to them???
It looks bad for Chiam too.

:o :( :o

 

[Areopagus]

Of course! That is the whole point. When has CSJ ever been given so much air time by the ZB and ST???

The MIW are really scared that Lina will win PP and CST/KJ dream team will win Bishan/Toa Payoh. Their only hope is to attack the credibility of Lina Chiam preferably using her own words or those of CSJ.

Hopefully she and CSJ will not fall into that trap. The thread starter has it right....

 

[Sideswipe]

It's political struggle for leadership between Chiam, Chee and the rest of SDP.

don't find anything wrong with that. I don't feel sorry for Chiam, Chee or anyone. Nobody broke any Singapore laws. This is life, politics is like that.

so what is the big deal with this whole saga?

 

[makapaaa]

Can't help but suspect the FAPee TRAITORS are colluding with CST's wife to sow discord among the Oppos. Or CST's wife naively believes that by hum tumming CSJ, she can be like her hubby and gets the Old Fart's stamp of approval?

 

[kingrant]

The more time and energy the Opp spent fighting each other, the less time and energy they will have for PAP, where the real fight is. This is what the PAP wants.

If the Opp continues this way, the PAPpies will be very happy, and the PAPpies only have to wait for the last man standing before they finish him off, which should be easy because by then the last Opp man standing will be blind and toothless after all this eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth fights.

Can't help but suspect the FAPee TRAITORS are colluding with CST's wife to sow discord among the Oppos. Or CST's wife naively believes that by hum tumming CSJ, she can be like her hubby and gets the Old Fart's stamp of approval?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Ramseth

Censure was just that a slap on the wrist. :_)) As to why Chee did not want to accept a slap on the wrist, well its really up to him but it escalated from that point on. Suffice it to say a censure was not a political death sentence because Chiam brought him in and passing a political death sentence on Chee would have hurt him and the party as he was his protege perhaps a failed attempt at discipline who knows ? Chee in expelling his ex boss was a death sentence and political execution of Chiam.


Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear King

I do not think he saw it as a test. More like an expected victory. After all he was just disagreeing and slapping Dr Chee on the wrist, not political life and death for chee or the party. I am not to sure though why it escalated from there into an open naked political contest and subsequent political life and death struggle for the party



Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Elephanto

Strangely enough, I can't understand the inability of Opposition Politicians to sleep together as bitterest rivals of factions within a party or sleeping with your enemy principle.


Locke

 

[Ramseth]

Dear Elephanto

Strangely enough, I can't understand the inability of Opposition Politicians to sleep together as bitterest rivals of factions within a party or sleeping with your enemy principle.


Locke

That's understand cause it's (in)famous that you sleep around, regardless.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Maybe she wants a free trip to China with either the father or the son that her husband "opposes"?


Fourth-time lucky for Chiam
(147th Prostitute Press) 1 May 1991

TO CHINA, AT LONG LAST

IT will be fourth time lucky for Mr Chiam See Tong (right) when he boards th e plane with the rest of the official delegation tomorrow morning.

The opposition MP told The Straits Times that he will be making his maiden trip to China after three failed attempts.

The first was in January 1979, when he paid $3,000 for a week-long tour organised by the Law Society.

But a snap by-election was called in February and he skipped the trip to stand in Potong Pasir as an independent candidate.

He lost to Mr Howe Yoon Chong of the People's Action Party.

The following year, he signed up again for a similar tour, but this time, th e Law Society had to cancel the tour because there were too few takers.

Last October, he was to have gone as part of the delegation accompanying Mr Lee Kuan Yew on his last trip there as Prime Minister.

But he came down with chicken pox and had to miss the trip again.

Mr Chiam is not taking any chances this time.

He said that his wife has been helping him keep a lookout whenever he drives , just to make sure.

If he makes it tomorrow, it would be a trip that he has prepared well for - having read many social and political books on China and Chinese history.

"Despite my inability to speak Mandarin, I am sure I have read more books on China than delegation leader BG Lee himself," he said with a laugh.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Maybe, like her husband, she also wants to be part of a PAP "high level team" as well as getting a free visit to Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Xiamen and Hangzhou?


BG Lee leads high-level team to China tomorrow
147th Prostitute press (1 May 1991)

It will identify areas of co-operation, explore business opportunities

A DELEGATION of 27 senior Government officials and business leaders will accompany Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on his two-week official visit to China, which begins tomorrow.

The Government-led contingent will be the biggest-ever to go to China since diplomatic ties were established between the two countries last October.

The mission: To identify areas of co-operation, explore business opportunities and introduce Singapore's top brass to their Chinese counterparts.

The trip also marks the first by Brigadier-General Lee in his capacity as Deputy Prime Minister.

He was last in Beijing in 1985 as the Minister of State for Trade and Industry and Defence.

At a dinner hosted by Chinese Ambassador Zhang Qing here on Monday to bid farewell to the delegation, BG Lee said that Singapore's interest was in promoting good, long-term relations with China, adding:

"We are interested not only in economic ties and a set of broad relations, but also in China's constructive contribution to the development of the region."

The Deputy Prime Minister said that a successful China - economically vibran t and politically stable - can be a tremendous boost to the economic development of many countries in the region.

He said that his team was keen on identifying and establishing new areas of economic co-operation, and hoped to receive "useful ideas and useful propositions".

The minister will be accompanied by Minister of State (National Development and Home Affairs) Peter Sung, Ambassador to Japan Cheng Tong Fatt, and four MPs, Mr Chiam See Tong, Mr Heng Chiang Meng, Mr Peh Chin Hua and Mr Ng Pock Too, who is also the Group Chief Executive of the Sembawang Group of companies.

Nominated MP Leong Chee Whye is also in the team, but it is understood that he is there mainly as the Chairman of the Singapore Tourist Promotion Board and President of United Industrial Corp.

Business leaders in the delegation are Wuthelam Holdings Executive Chairman and Telecom Chairman Koh Boon Hwee, Singapore Manufacturers' Association President Robert Chua and United Overseas Bank President Ernest Wong.

Statutory boards are also represented: Mr Philip Yeo, Chairman of the Economic Development Board and two directors; Mr Liu Thai Ker, Chief Executive Officer of Urban Redevelopment Authority and Mr Yeo Seng Teck, Chief Executive Officer of Trade Development Board and Chairman of Jurong Town Corporation.

Also in the group is the Political Secretary (Ministry of Information and th e Arts) Mohammed Maidin.

Other senior representatives come from the Port of Singapore Authority and the Singapore Institute of Standards and Industrial Research and senior officials from the Trade and Industry, Foreign Affairs and Home Affairs Ministries.

The Singapore delegation will visit Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Beijing, Shanghai and Xiamen, and will also take in the sights of the "twin cities of beauty", Suzhou and Hangzhou.

The programme includes several factory visits and briefings by Chinese governors on the economic developments of the various cities.

In Beijing, BG Lee and Government officials will pay courtesy calls on Chinese leaders.

Already confirmed is a courtesy call on Vice-Premier Tian Jiyun at the Great

Hall of the People.

BG Lee will leave Xiamen, his last stop, on May 15, and proceed to Hongkong for a three-day private visit.

There, he will call on Acting Governor Sir David Ford, Baroness Lydia Dunn and senior Legislative Councillor Allen Lee Peng Fei.

The Singapore delegation will return home on May 17.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Who says Lee Snr and Lee Jnr are bad and like to jail, bankrupt or destroy the opposition? If you are the right type of "opposition", you can win a free junket trip to China.

Lee Snr and Lee Jnr will also help the right type of opposition to have "exposure" and "experience" as well as help such "opposition" politicians contribute "more effectively to Parliamentary debates on issues affecting the country".



China visit a helpful eye-opener, says Chiam

(147th Prostitute Press), 16 May 1991


BG Lee's visit to China

XIAMEN - Opposition MP Chiam See Tong said that the exposure to China from the two-week visit would help him to contribute more effectively to Parliamentary debates on issues affecting the country and Chinese culture.

Noting that the visit gave Singaporeans a chance to understand the problems and aspirations of Chinese society, he said: "It is an eye-opener. This kind of knowledge is important to all political leaders in Singapore."

He told reporters that he had learnt more about Chinese culture from visiting historic sites and meeting some Chinese people.

He had also gained some insights into the political will of the Chinese leaders and the working of the country's economic system and reforms.

In view of the experience and exposure he had gained, he said that politicians who were given a chance to go on such trips should accept "without hesitation".

Another delegation member who also found the trip an "eye-opener" was Mr Mohamad Maidin Packer Mohd, Political Secretary (Information and the Arts).

He said he had had the impression that everyone was poor in China, but the trip showed him another side of the country.

"Everyone is not rich, but not everyone is poor," he remarked, adding that the Chinese have their own "tow-kays" in the cities and provinces. He believed that these people would be the prime movers of the Chinese economy.

But he felt that China must change gradually, as too fast a pace would cause it to "explode". "They can change, and I hope that they will change for the better. But they must take it one step at a time."

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Hunger strike? I remember Chee putting glucose drip and had a doctor beside him. It would have been more effective if he pour gasoline over himself and said he could not find a match.

This "putting glucose in a hunger strike" rubbish foistered by Lee Snr and his prostitute press onto an under-exposed electorate about 20 years ago has already been clarified to kingdom come in the old forum.

A hunger strike is not an action meant to kill yourself. It is to draw attention to whatever cause you would like to highlight. The consumption of water, glucose, liquid is nothing unusual for hunger strikers the world over and is kosher.

The continuing wide-eyed he-put-glucose-in-a-hunger-strike incredulity shows how underexposed Singaporeans are even in the Internet age where information is but a few mouse and keyboard clicks away. Don't always believe whatever that old fuck and his 154th ranked prostitute press tells you. There is a reason why they are ranked so low in credibility.

Whether you support Chee or not should not deter you from clarifying anything that anyone (including me) says or vomits out.

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

That started my contempt of the man
Locke

Do you harbour similar "contempt" for the man who kicked JBJ out of the (Old) Workers Party, i.e Low Thia Khiang?