CSJ ‘exposed the pretensions of PAP’ – CALD Chairman

[lockeliberal]

Dear For

Its telling really the differences in style and beliefs. Dr Chee for what its worth is charismatic , well spoken and dedicated and the award is recognition for that effort. The organization giving the award is interesting enough " Liberal International " and the parties within that organization or NGO all have a liberal bias in their politics or what most would consider the liberal left. The SDP stands out within Liberal International as the only party WHO cannot win seats in a national election which in the SDP's views are due to the Gov control of the media, the gov favoring or treating some opposition parties differently etc etc etc. Please refer to Dr CHee's Interview with the Australian News Network and his comments on recent domestic political developments.

a. The Party at its roots at its base is a liberal party built ard strong liberal ideology way to the left of Singapore's current political maturity fighting for a perfect democracy whilst having a proven inability to win in an unlevel playing field. They have strengthened their grassroots work and I wish them well in their efforts in the next two GE's because they have to move their base beyond the liberal elites to the mass. As an example a WP fund raising event is a dinner in TP, chinese style. The latest SDP fund raising event is a Glenn Goei Screening of his latest movie. Atas and heartland, the difference is as clear as night and day.

I hope for their sakes they get their grassroots acts together because if they can't they are nothing more than a party of passionate NGO causes. He can claim to be an alternative party , ready to step in etc etc not like the WP insurance all the way until the next GE but if he still can't win seats then something has to give.


Locke

What a way to start a Sunday afternoon teatime. CSJ exposed himself by his own lies again. When he took over SDP, he wasn't by any measure a lone fighter as he claimed and lied to be without a blink. He took over the biggest opposition party in Singapore then and managed to waste it down to the smallest within a decade. Nobody, not even LKY, jailed him for under ISD or any political pretense. There's no need to, he's a loser. He intentionally broke laws and defame people to get himself jailed and disqualified. And what's CALD? Nothing but totally unelected by anyone in any democracy in Asia but posturing to represent the whole Asia.

You have gone to the country and the country has spoken. You've lost. What's non-conformity? Is it something heroic after not winning your way? That's called a trantrum. His reference to thaw in political scene reflects even worse on his character and political acumen. WP won the seats to start the thaw, not SDP.

 

[Forvendet]

Its telling really the differences in style and beliefs. Dr Chee for what its worth is charismatic , well spoken and dedicated and the award is recognition for that effort. The organization giving the award is interesting enough " Liberal International " and the parties within that organization or NGO all have a liberal bias in their politics or what most would consider the liberal left. The SDP stands out within Liberal International as the only party WHO cannot win seats in a national election which in the SDP's views are due to the Gov control of the media, the gov favoring or treating some opposition parties differently etc etc etc. Please refer to Dr CHee's Interview with the Australian News Network and his comments on recent domestic political developments.

Frankly I'm surprised with this gibberish churned by you after your good friend praised you skyhigh as LSE political science honors and masters. Even LSE has fallen a few rungs in my rankings. First and foremost, you've tarnished the meaning of charismatic. All whom are charimastic are well supported, not necessarily majority supported but well supported. CSJ is neither. Speaking good English alone doesn't qualify as charismatic. As good as his English is, he's one of the most despised in the popular arena of everyone who gives any little damn about politics. Last but not least, SDP is a political party, not an NGO. CALD claims to be an NGO but align themselves to and back rogue political parties for political purposes. No bona fide NGO for a bona fide cause does that, if you know what NGO means.

 

[steffychun]

No government, No organistion has labelled Chee as the freedom fighter. The US, the UK, the west labels Aung San Suu Kyi, the Libyan Rebels, the Syrian Protesters, the Chinese dissidents as freedom fighters. Not a single Western politician has supported Chee. He's a failure through and through.

LOSER.

 

[mojito]

Thanks bro scroobal and elephanto. It is interesting how I might not have come to the same conclusion without historical perspectives of the political scene that you have in assessing a public person. I think he has a role to play in shaping our system, though he is still a little early for the parliamentary system to accept his brand of politics. A lack of liberal representation in parliament would be a shame, but it is what it is. Either throw in the towels or take a long term view challenging conventions and constraints.

 

[HorGauGan]

actually anyone can just set up an organization and issue awards mah. No biggie. What's the issue?

I can set up an organization and issue Lee Hsien Loong an award too. But doubt it will be sensationalized like CSJ

 

[HorGauGan]

Did anyone wonder why he still does not want to come out Bankruptcy? And it is certainly not for the lack of funds.

Chee did that on purpose to continue his martyhood, and foreign press can continue highlight his bankruptcy plight?

 

[Conqueror]

CSJ Has Got The Guts To Face Fascism

Sun Yat-sen was on the most wanted list. Lim Chin Siong was arrested. Aung San Suu Kyi was arrested. Gandhi was also arrested. JBJ was arrested. Chee was arrested ... the rest of the oppo like WP and what that ... oh yah, Chiam See Tong party ... Funny, why were they not arrested for some strange charges meted out by the fascist and yet they were allowed to be in the parliament to do some fly swatting exercise ... maybe, they need some time to warm up before we can really see some exciting exchange of words.

But, like I've said before "No Revolution, No Change". Don't expect too much from words alone. Because, they can barely heck care on what you say.

 

[scroobal]

I have to agree with Locke on this. As you would have done your NS Police reservist you might see the context. This was years back after he was made a bankrupt and no longer could stand for elections. He held the rank of ASP and went to do his In-camp with his men in PA/Onreat Road complex. By the time they finished their 2 weeks (I think), the whole place was spellbound including the instructors, Sr Officers etc. These were men who have seen the worse and naturally tend to skeptics. He has such a powerful hold on them. If it is not charisma, I no have idea what it is.

I also can tell you that he is not particularly bright as his classmates can attest and always had difficulty with details which caused him dearly including getting caught out with Kunalen during the parliamentary select committee hearings as well as the lawsuit that made him bankrupt. He is certainly driven.

I don't think politics is for him. Note his style and that of VW. A complete contrast. But I don't think that VW has the level of charisma that Chee has. Just read his books.

Frankly I'm surprised with this gibberish churned by you after your good friend praised you skyhigh as LSE political science honors and masters. Even LSE has fallen a few rungs in my rankings. First and foremost, you've tarnished the meaning of charismatic. All whom are charimastic are well supported, not necessarily majority supported but well supported. CSJ is neither. Speaking good English alone doesn't qualify as charismatic. As good as his English is, he's one of the most despised in the popular arena of everyone who gives any little damn about politics. Last but not least, SDP is a political party, not an NGO. CALD claims to be an NGO but align themselves to and back rogue political parties for political purposes. No bona fide NGO for a bona fide cause does that, if you know what NGO means.

 

[scroobal]

Bro I can tell you that no one has damaged the ego and standing of old man and his son like Chee has done. He also took their celebrated counsel Davinder with them. Its common knowledge that they got crucified. They did not have to testify but they chose to. It was not lost on PSC, civil servants that the prime minister did not apply for leave for a private lawsuit. Civil servants have been warned, fired etc because of it. Chee asked these and other damaging questions.

He thus has some say how these overlords behave.

Thanks bro scroobal and elephanto. It is interesting how I might not have come to the same conclusion without historical perspectives of the political scene that you have in assessing a public person. I think he has a role to play in shaping our system, though he is still a little early for the parliamentary system to accept his brand of politics. A lack of liberal representation in parliament would be a shame, but it is what it is. Either throw in the towels or take a long term view challenging conventions and constraints.

 

[methink]

No government, No organistion has labelled Chee as the freedom fighter. The US, the UK, the west labels Aung San Suu Kyi, the Libyan Rebels, the Syrian Protesters, the Chinese dissidents as freedom fighters. Not a single Western politician has supported Chee. He's a failure through and through.

LOSER.

Stuffychute, you are a doggie through and through...

One does not need an organisation to be certified as a freedom fighter. You are truly a confirmed doggie trying to adopt the PAP standard.

A freedom fighter: LKY or Dr Chee? It's pretty clear right Doggie stuffychute?

 

[GoldenDragon]

CSJ was a quiet chap in ACS. He was also in NPCC or Scouts. No one expected him to become a politician. Certainly not in the opposition camp and no one who knew him then would have ever expected him to be so confrontational.

Without going into further details, let me just say this - never ever trust this chap. I dare risk 20 years of my balance lifespan on earth that CSJ is ...... I am in my mid-50s and betting 20 years on my remaining lifespan is a big bet. But I would win this bet.

GMS: Where are you?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear For

The way I would put it is he is a a charismatic actor with a terrible script for a movie. The best shows come about when a charismatic and great actor get together with a great script.




Locke

Frankly I'm surprised with this gibberish churned by you after your good friend praised you skyhigh as LSE political science honors and masters. Even LSE has fallen a few rungs in my rankings. First and foremost, you've tarnished the meaning of charismatic. All whom are charimastic are well supported, not necessarily majority supported but well supported. CSJ is neither. Speaking good English alone doesn't qualify as charismatic. As good as his English is, he's one of the most despised in the popular arena of everyone who gives any little damn about politics. Last but not least, SDP is a political party, not an NGO. CALD claims to be an NGO but align themselves to and back rogue political parties for political purposes. No bona fide NGO for a bona fide cause does that, if you know what NGO means.

 

[kingrant]

Not charisma, but I believe it's because the man knows his law like the back of his hand, and certainly he must have read and studied Gandhi's civil disobedience and passive resistance in great detail. I havent read Gandhi but have watched the movie on the plane, and I must say Gandhi had all the right answers on the right side of the law to stump the British at every turn, and the Brits were simply helpless against his non-violent passive resistance methods. Watch all his antics and his sister's, and you'll see that they just kept repeating their constitutional rights of assembly, of expression, of freedom of movement wherever they were accosted or blocked by the men in blue, without shouting, losing temper, wihtout violence. In such situations, if the police went ahead and whacked them, they and not the Chees will be seen as the persecutors and culprits and demonised by the public. It will be as if the govt came down hard on your walking Constitution!

Similarly in the courtroom, the Chees hammered away with their questions relentlessly at the Lees, who can do nothing in an open court, with the gallery full of people watching. Surprisingly, Harry stumbled and he and his counsel appeared uncoordinated and unprepared.
The Chees really stole the show.

Chee may be batty as a politician and a wall-banger with his head, but he sure had gumption and gall, and prepared for personal sacrifice. For that, I thought he deserved the award. he truly championed for democratic principles with his life.

He held the rank of ASP and went to do his In-camp with his men in PA/Onreat Road complex. By the time they finished their 2 weeks (I think), the whole place was spellbound including the instructors, Sr Officers etc. These were men who have seen the worse and naturally tend to skeptics. He has such a powerful hold on them. If it is not charisma, I no have idea what it is.

 

[Forvendet]

The way I would put it is he is a a charismatic actor with a terrible script for a movie. The best shows come about when a charismatic and great actor get together with a great script.

You're entitled to your take as you put it that way. My take is that he's a condemned actor. If he was to play Hamlet, Shakespeare would be taken out of English literature syllabus.

 

[HedgeTrader]

Chee may be batty as a politician and a wall-banger with his head, but he sure had gumption and gall, and prepared for personal sacrifice. For that, I thought he deserved the award. he truly championed for democratic principles with his life.

What sacrifice? What reward? What democracy? My half past 6 England also know democracy mean do things most people want. He do things most people dont want. Like that mean his principle mean he win got democracy, he lose no democracy. WP win mean WP betray democracy. Dont break law dont defame people dont go jail dont bankrupt mean betray democracy. Break law, defame people, go jail and bankrupt mean sacrifice for democracy. LOL & KNN where got logic?

 

[jw5]

What sacrifice? What reward? What democracy? My half past 6 England also know democracy mean do things most people want. He do things most people dont want. Like that mean his principle mean he win got democracy, he lose no democracy. WP win mean WP betray democracy. Dont break law dont defame people dont go jail dont bankrupt mean betray democracy. Break law, defame people, go jail and bankrupt mean sacrifice for democracy. LOL & KNN where got logic?

Ahem............................

QUOTE:
"You want her to stop working? Go tell her.WP didn't impose any restriction on outside job on WP MPs elected. It's up to the MPs themelsves. You have a problem with that? It's only PAP that imposed that. You got not problem with PAP but got problem with opposition? It's alright too, it's your democratic right. Go ask LKY. No PAP MPs must be full-time MPs except those appointed ministers. He can arrest me or sue me if I'm not telling the truth. He knows damn well who I am"
UNQUOTE

 

[Perspective]

What a way to start a Sunday afternoon teatime. CSJ exposed himself by his own lies again. When he took over SDP, he wasn't by any measure a lone fighter as he claimed and lied to be without a blink. He took over the biggest opposition party in Singapore then and managed to waste it down to the smallest within a decade. Nobody, not even LKY, jailed him for under ISD or any political pretense. There's no need to, he's a loser. He intentionally broke laws and defame people to get himself jailed and disqualified. And what's CALD? Nothing but totally unelected by anyone in any democracy in Asia but posturing to represent the whole Asia.

You have gone to the country and the country has spoken. You've lost. What's non-conformity? Is it something heroic after not winning your way? That's called a trantrum. His reference to thaw in political scene reflects even worse on his character and political acumen. WP won the seats to start the thaw, not SDP.

I actually made to wonder how exposing the pretensions of PAP is some significant contribution or deserving of an award. Everybody has been doing that not only to Singapore but to North Korea and China and others and there will be lots of awards to give, including to Sammyboy forummers here. This CALD is kind of lame and to be frank, CALD has always been a small fry organisation of which SDP and the same 8 parties have been founding members and long time members of - no new recruits for past 18 years.

 

[Perspective]

Thanks bro elephanto.

I don't remember the circumstances of his discharge, but I viewed it in a favourably light. I am inclined to think he believes himself to be electable, and hope to personally lead into parliament a group of fighters who are unafraid to take on the establishment and their questionable practices. He might have felt this was a path too difficult for his former comrades at the WP (for various reasons), hence the discharge from bankruptcy and the establishment of RP. Of the political parties in SG, only RP and to a limited extent SDP are campaigning along this line of governance issues, much to their chagrin it appears insufficient for electoral success.

I also like to take the opportunity to make a dig on RP defectors. I think they were clueless opportunists who saw the groundswell of discontent, admired JBJ, but didn't know what the hell he stood for.

That was of course a sweeping statement. There is an opportunist in every one of us.

I don't see any evidence of RP standing out. A look at the management of the party definitely shows something about KJ that caused the exodus - and it's definitely not democratic. The principles are best applied to how you run your organisation, not how loud it is placed in your manifesto. The RP defectors certainly didn't leave RP because they got to discover what JBJ stood for - it's because they saw how different KJ was from JBJ.

 

[Perspective]

Bro I can tell you that no one has damaged the ego and standing of old man and his son like Chee has done. He also took their celebrated counsel Davinder with them. Its common knowledge that they got crucified. They did not have to testify but they chose to. It was not lost on PSC, civil servants that the prime minister did not apply for leave for a private lawsuit. Civil servants have been warned, fired etc because of it. Chee asked these and other damaging questions.

He thus has some say how these overlords behave.

Wrong. The court case only had supporters on both sides sticking to their causes more firmly. This is not how PAP won ground from Barisan on WP won ground from PAP, which made the difference - it is winning over people who traditionally voted the other side. This is staying the course at ground zero. The Lees are not dumb. If they could be discredited by the hearing, they would not have attended. The Chees by castigating the Lees in such a manner went down further from the time they hollered GCT.

 

[HedgeTrader]

Ahem............................

QUOTE:
"You want her to stop working? Go tell her.WP didn't impose any restriction on outside job on WP MPs elected. It's up to the MPs themelsves. You have a problem with that? It's only PAP that imposed that. You got not problem with PAP but got problem with opposition? It's alright too, it's your democratic right. Go ask LKY. No PAP MPs must be full-time MPs except those appointed ministers. He can arrest me or sue me if I'm not telling the truth. He knows damn well who I am"
UNQUOTE

I remember reading that but cant remember who. Who said that? You said that? Then not bad LOL