Crumbling of Singapore?

[Nice-Gook]

Here's the figures http://toolserver.org/~al/visualizer4wm.php?page=Demographics_of_Singapore&project=en.wikipedia.org&tpl=visualizer&id=1&ct=col&title=Ethnic+composition+(%)+of+resident+population&columns=all&width=1000&height=500

Surely this tells the whole story given the fact that the Muslim fertility rate is more than twice that of the non muslim rate.

You are resorting to obfuscation,aren't you?The figures you cite actually points to Malays decline percentage wise between 1970 to 2010.

Any way this is a non sequitur.

 

[TracyTan866]

Sam,We dont need more perspective or big pictures. As long as you agree Singapore is crumbling, then the TS is right. We dont fxxk care where else is.

Thanks ...wise words...that's what matters..

I love Singapore...if SG is crumbling, that's my worry, hence this thread and postings.

I dont care if it is better than NZ or Australia. That's not relevant if SG is gg to crumble in the future

That's what I have been trying to tell Sam..

 

[Leongsam]

He is too well entrenched here and he reeks of arrogance. bringing him down to earth is doing him a favour

I'm probably more down to earth than most here. That's why I'm optimistic that Singapore has a lot going for it while most in this thread seem to be full of bitterness and resentment over the way they perceive the govt has treated them.

 

[kingrant]

The best measure of a govt is its performance/price ratio. Given that this govt is the most cockiest and highest paid one in the world, the standard for measuring crumblingness must be many many notches higher.

Singapore is thriving. It has to fight very hard to keep things going but there is definitely reason for optimism over the medium term.

 

[Leongsam]

That's not relevant if SG is gg to crumble in the future

That's what I have been trying to tell Sam..

As long as the current PAP team is in power, Singapore won't crumble in the medium term unless external factors cause a major upheaval. Be thankful that you have a very good govt despite the hiccups and the warts.

 

[TracyTan866]

The best measure of a govt is its performance/price ratio. Given that this govt is the most cockiest and highest paid one in the world, the standard for measuring crumblingness must be many many notches higher.

well said and well argued..

 

[Leongsam]

The best measure of a govt is its performance/price ratio. Given that this govt is the most cockiest and highest paid one in the world, the standard for measuring crumblingness must be many many notches higher.

There was an earlier post where I covered this issue. Singaporeans are definitely getting value for money.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Got to go now.Maybe later.Tks.

 

[kingrant]

By Kiwi stds, the SMRT debacle inter alia may be just a hiccup or wart to you; but to us, we have to hold them to perfection, so a wart is as bad as a chasm in Singapore!

As long as the current PAP team is in power, Singapore won't crumble in the medium term unless external factors cause a major upheaval. Be thankful that you have a very good govt despite the hiccups and the warts.

 

[TracyTan866]

You are resorting to obfuscation,aren't you?The figures you cite actually points to Malays decline percentage wise between 1970 to 2010.

Any way this is a non sequitur.

hahahahaha..remember not to be distracted nor diverted by Sam.

 

[TracyTan866]

Got to go now.Maybe later.Tks.

i gtg too..bye

 

[kingrant]

Nothing short of perfection should be the performance we expect for the humongous out of this world price we have to pay for their incompetence.

Singaporeans are definitely getting value for money.

 

[kingrant]

I oso gtg now..

 

[zhihau]

I'll take that as a compliment. I agree with 99% of what LKY says.

i wonder what could that 1% be? any leads?

 

[freedalas]

Singapore isn't cancerous. Militant Islam is cancerous but unlike cancer, it can be neutralised as long as the threat is recognised early. Thankfully, the PAP has done just that.



I'm not patriotic. I have no love for Singapore. I fulfilled my obligations to the hilt while I was living there and I've sinced moved on.... twice to be exact.

The forummers here on the other hand is patriotic and love S'pore. And that's why they are posting so impassionedly about the slippery road the PAP is leading S'pore down. And that's why they are highlighting thr PAP mistakes in the hope that more S'poreans could see the light and continue to give the PAP their mandate blindly. Oh! just in case u are confused over the two, being patriotic and loving S'pore is not the same as pledging allegiance to the PAP. The PAP would love to have that confused, so being against them means being against S'pore. It's on the contrary if u still don't follow - if u are patriotic and love S'pore, we have to do something to stop the PAP from causing more sufferings.

 

[freedalas]

i wonder what could that 1% be? any leads?

I am disappointed by Mr Leongsam actually. I thought it would be 100%. Perhaps he's too embarrassed to say so and hope at least less by 1%, forummers here will give him "chance".

 

[Fook Seng]

A very good analogy that provides forummers a good appreciation of the actual situation in S'pore. Just to add, it is not that the PAP do not know quite a number of S'poreans had fell off the threadmill. Many of the MPS during their Meet The People session would have known that and to be fair to them, I believe that some, if they had their way, would want to arender first aid. But the whole problem is that the Old Man would never want to hear of it. To him, a single strip of band-aid is equivalent to opening up the floodgates of welfarism already. He of course takes such a view because that means spending from the reserves. He would have none of that as he's absolutely posses with the accumulation of reserves.

I don't think you even need to dip into the reserves to render a little help to those who fall off the treadmill. That money is there, collected through taxes, GST, ERPs etc but used to buy votes in form Economic Growth packages. Everyone gets it whether he asks for it or not. Some people don't even know what to do with the money.

 

[freedalas]

I don't think you even need to dip into the reserves to render a little help to those who fall off the treadmill. That money is there, collected through taxes, GST, ERPs etc but used to buy votes in form Economic Growth packages. Everyone gets it whether he asks for it or not. Some people don't even know what to do with the money.

I know what you mean and I agree. But unfortunately the Old Man doesn't see it this way. To him, spending from taxes collection is equivalent to spending the reserves as it would be lesser contributions from taxes collection to the reserves. That's how obsessed he is with the reserves. In fact, some said it's not obsessed but that the Old Man is possesed by demon of reserves.

 

[Leongsam]

I don't think you even need to dip into the reserves to render a little help to those who fall off the treadmill. That money is there,

I disagree. Welfare is a slippery slope from which there is no return. While the intentions of welfare are noble, all it does to a nation in the long term is destroy the work ethic.

The money may be there but to dish it out willy-nilly to those who have fallen off the treadmill will leave those who are running very fast in order to stay ahead to ask themselves "Why should I bother?" I'll just fall off too and I'll be taken care of.". Before you know it, a considerable proportion of of the population will have gone soft.

Abuse of the system is also impossible to prevent no matter what sort of measures are put in place so you'll end up with healthy hardworking and capable individuals supporting healthy, capable and lazy individuals.

Care for the weakest in society is best left to NGOs. Concerned citizens with the resources to help can then work through these organisations to target assistance where it is needed most.

 

[scroobal]

Absolutely with you on this.

I don't think you even need to dip into the reserves to render a little help to those who fall off the treadmill. That money is there, collected through taxes, GST, ERPs etc but used to buy votes in form Economic Growth packages. Everyone gets it whether he asks for it or not. Some people don't even know what to do with the money.