[COVID-19 Virus] The Sinkies are fucked Thread.

[Leongsam]

In 2020 I believe about 30 Singaporeans died and there were close to 50,000 cases. That's a CFR of approx 0.07% without a vaccine or effective treatment.

This year the CFR is 0.2% with vaccines so it looks like the vaccines are making things worse rather than better.

 

[nayr69sg]

In 2020 I believe about 30 Singaporeans died and there were close to 50,000 cases. That's a CFR of approx 0.07% without a vaccine or effective treatment.

This year the CFR is 0.2% with vaccines so it looks like the vaccines are making things worse rather than better.

But 2020 was not covid alpha. Delta variants have different CFR.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...rate-64-higher-b117-covid-variant-study-finds

Death rate 64% higher with B117 COVID variant, study finds​

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-60-per-cent-higher-epidemiologist-1.5363953

Death rate from COVID-19 variants 60 per cent higher: epidemiologist​

B117 was alpha variant and was already higher.

Delta variant? B.1.617.2 ?

 

[Leongsam]

 

[zhihau]

But 2020 was not covid alpha. Delta variants have different CFR.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...rate-64-higher-b117-covid-variant-study-finds

Death rate 64% higher with B117 COVID variant, study finds​

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-60-per-cent-higher-epidemiologist-1.5363953

Death rate from COVID-19 variants 60 per cent higher: epidemiologist​

B117 was alpha variant and was already higher.

Delta variant? B.1.617.2 ?

Delta has a few variants to begin with in its family tree if I’m not mistaken- B.1.617.1 , B.1.617.2 and B.1.617.3 (but the .1 & .3 variants contain very minute variations from the .2)

 

[Leongsam]

But 2020 was not covid alpha. Delta variants have different CFR.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...rate-64-higher-b117-covid-variant-study-finds

Death rate 64% higher with B117 COVID variant, study finds​

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-60-per-cent-higher-epidemiologist-1.5363953

Death rate from COVID-19 variants 60 per cent higher: epidemiologist​

B117 was alpha variant and was already higher.

Delta variant? B.1.617.2 ?

So last year with the Alpha variant which caused a CFR of 0.07% (lower than influenza) without a vaccine everything was locked down.

This year with the Delta variant which has a CFR of 0.2% WITH vaccination (DOUBLE THE FLU CFR) everything is opening up.

Does not sound very logical to me.

If the government had listened to me last year the population would now have proper herd immunity instead of half baked vaccine immunity.

 

[nayr69sg]

So last year with the Alpha variant which caused a CFR of 0.07% (lower than influenza) without a vaccine everything was locked down.

This year with the Delta variant which has a CFR of 0.2% WITH vaccination (DOUBLE THE FLU CFR) everything is opening up.

Does not sound very logical to me.

If the government had listened to me last year the population would now have proper herd immunity instead of half baked vaccine immunity.

Is there any data on Case Fatality Rate of Delta B.1.617.2 variant WITHOUT vaccination?

 

[nayr69sg]

Delta has a few variants to begin with in its family tree if I’m not mistaken- B.1.617.1 , B.1.617.2 and B.1.617.3 (but the .1 & .3 variants contain very minute variations from the .2)

what's the case fatality rate for Delta WITHOUT vaccination.

Trouble is I think only country that faced it head on like that was India. And india numbers not reliable.

 

[millim6868]

61% are still blur blur,like their clowns

 

[porcaputtana]

Time to whip out the ivermectin and clorox to protect the anti vaxxers

 

[Leongsam]

Is there any data on Case Fatality Rate of Delta B.1.617.2 variant WITHOUT vaccination?

What we do know is that catching and recovering from the alpha variant provides far better immunity than just the vaccine.

This is what I recommended last year and I repeated my call to allow the virus to spread at the beginning of the year.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/world-faces-around-4-000-covid-19-variants.299415/#post-3317766

I am way better than any million dollar minister or some so called "expert" when it comes to providing sound and practical advice and I have proven my worth over and over in this forum.

 

[porcaputtana]

What a bizarre take!
Suggesting non vaxxed only want to vote for non vaxxed. You miss the entire point.
Non vaxxed don't give a fuck if others want to get vaxxed? Go ahead.
Just dont force those who dont want it.
Is that so hard to understand?

Please don’t take the vaccine . We need to let mother nature seize you.

We don’t want blood on our hands

 

[Leongsam]

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Time to whip out the ivermectin and clorox to protect the anti vaxxers

I'm sure vaccines help but nothing beats nature when it comes to imparting immunity. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution trumps any vaccine.

 

[porcaputtana]

What we do know is that catching and recovering from the alpha variant provides far better immunity than just the vaccine.

This is what I recommended last year and I repeated my call to allow the virus to spread at the beginning of the year.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/world-faces-around-4-000-covid-19-variants.299415/#post-3317766

I am way better than any million dollar minister or some so called "expert" when it comes to providing sound and practical advice and I have proven my worth over and over in this forum.

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Ahhh… the rhetorics of an armchair general

wish Colin Powell had consulted you about WMD

Did you declare they didn’t exist back then ?

 

[Leongsam]

We are now at the point where vaccines are vital in the fight against Covid.

However Singapore missed the opportunity to gain proper immunity last year when I provided advice, free of charge, to allow the virus to spread naturally.

 

[Leongsam]

Ahhh… the rhetorics of an armchair general

wish Colin Powell had consulted you about WMD

Did you declare they didn’t exist back then ?

Had he asked me I would have told him so.

 

[porcaputtana]

I'm sure vaccines help but nothing beats nature when it comes to imparting immunity. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution trumps any vaccine.

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I agree . I told members of the MMTF to let her rip.

But alas they still think the death rate will look very bad politically

So they still insist on protecting the fucking moronic anti vaxxers

At everyone’s expense

 

[porcaputtana]

Had he asked me I would have told him so.

Confirm you are a PAP member

 

[nayr69sg]

I'm sure vaccines help but nothing beats nature when it comes to imparting immunity. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution trumps any vaccine.

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Sam the issue is not just about how humans get natural immunity.

Reality is many do get sick. And it was overwhelming the health care system.

Too many getting sick at the same time. Needing O2. Intubation etc. Couldnt cope.

Even if the vast majority did get mild disease the "so called small number" of cases that needed hospitalization was just too many.

At least that's what Italy and China told us.

 

[Leongsam]

@JohnTan please advise your masters to listen to my advice in future as it has proven to be spot on time and time again.

 

[Leongsam]

Sam the issue is not just about how humans get natural immunity.

Reality is many do get sick. And it was overwhelming the health care system.

Too many getting sick at the same time. Needing O2. Intubation etc. Couldnt cope.

Even if the vast majority did get mild disease the "so called small number" of cases that needed hospitalization was just too many.

At least that's what Italy and China told us.

When there is too much rain it overwhelms the drainage system.

When there is drought the reservoirs run out of water.

When there are too many cars the transport system ends up in gridlock.

When there is a massive power failure there are insufficient linesmen to fix the grid and people go for days or weeks without power.

And when there are too many sick people the healthcare system is overwhelmed.

That is just part and parcel of life. Shit happens and we have to deal with it.