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[COVID-19 Virus] The Sinkies are fucked Thread.

the doctor and missy in the loh kun choo teng mm shun already.

That's exactly the same thing the doctors and nurses in Alberta are saying too.

But I thought SG had much more ICU capacity etc.

Actually I think SG not too bad. So far I have not heard about MOH needing to utilize private hospital ICU to increase overall national ICU capacity.

So it is not true teng mm shun. I don't think ICU occupancy is close to 100% right?

I think it is just delta variant is more deadly.
 
That's exactly the same thing the doctors and nurses in Alberta are saying too.

But I thought SG had much more ICU capacity etc.

Actually I think SG not too bad. So far I have not heard about MOH needing to utilize private hospital ICU to increase overall national ICU capacity.

So it is not true teng mm shun. I don't think ICU occupancy is close to 100% right?

I think it is just delta variant is more deadly.
They converted HDBs into AirBnB-hospitals for mild symptoms and asked patients to ownself check ownself. What gives?
 
They converted HDBs into AirBnB-hospitals for mild symptoms and asked patients to ownself check ownself. What gives?

Ok what. Most cases are mild symptoms. Stay at home. If sick then go hospital. I agree. Don't swarm the A&E with positive cases with mild symptoms. Serves no purpose.
 
About a year ago I asked my classmate in SG why SG covid deaths so low hardly any! Like 1 or 2. Meanwhile in Canada many per day.

His reply was that SG doctors in ICU are damn kilat!

So what happened this time? The daily numbers of deaths you are seeing now very comparable now with what I see in Alberta.

I don't need to tell you what variable has changed from a year ago.

Actually I think it does bear repeating.

5 million people took a leaky, non-sterilising vaccine that presents a virus with the opportunity to mutate into
an even more vaccine resistant and transmissible form.

The show isn't over it is just beginning.
 
Ok what. Most cases are mild symptoms. Stay at home. If sick then go hospital. I agree. Don't swarm the A&E with positive cases with mild symptoms. Serves no purpose.
It’s to ease hospital load in one way.
 
I don't need to tell you what variable has changed from a year ago.

Actually I think it does bear repeating.

5 million people took a leaky, non-sterilising vaccine that presents a virus with the opportunity to mutate into
an even more vaccine resistant and transmissible form.

The show isn't over it is just beginning.

It is possible. But so far we have no hard evidence yet.

it could also be just conspiracy theorist logic. Borne from watching too many fictional movies bashing particular industries and demonizing professionals.

The world quite sad these days. Trust is very hard now.

And I dont mean trust just one way as in people trust professionals. But the other way also. Professionals now very wary of people too.

I blame this on all the stupid pointless fictional close to slander and very damaging movies and TV shows.
 
The word evidence is very scary these days. I will not believe what I read nor hear on MSM. Let alone non MSM. I have to filter thru tons of propaganda and apply 1001% of logic & common sense.
Just like yesterday I was talking about fatalities due to age group caused by vax waning theory, see todays cases & age group again. If you can't see it, then.........
And I'm sorry, I'm not sheep so I can't & will not BLINDLY follow the narrative like some other people.

Lord, I have trust issues :cry:


3,190 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore; 9 more deaths bring tally to 192
Of these nine, six were men and three were women. All Singaporeans, they were aged between 52 and 98.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...hWjl00h4oqqAxtZ5kWOo0-3C_CDE4ehXlSlMYbHOKtwbo
 
A close practitioner friend told me just now, just gotta wait for the fire to burn itself out. Nothing we do can stop it. It will, but the more we interfere with its course, the more it'll deviate from it's initial course taking an even longer time to reach it's intended destination.
I cannot disagree but sigh in acceptance
 
A close practitioner friend told me just now, just gotta wait for the fire to burn itself out. Nothing we do can stop it. It will, but the more we interfere with its course, the more it'll deviate from it's initial course taking an even longer time to reach it's intended destination.
I cannot disagree but sigh in acceptance

I agree.

Medical industry tried. They came up with vaccine. But then delta variant came. How much is it because the vaccine itself was not as effective at conferring immunity itself or was it because delta variant threw a spanner into the works? Dunno.

Can't stay closed and lockdown forever. Already so long! Too long if you ask me.

I know this thing about trust issues. I don't blame you. I think this has caused much severe damage to trust in the medical profession and industry. Very bad.

Frankly dont read so much lah. I kept saying early on. Media should stop reporting lah. If MSM stop, usually the social media side wont trend as much also. They feed off each other.

In Alberta, I try to avoid crowds. Go to less crowded places. Go to the mountains to hike. The parks. Cycle. Bike.

Only people in my family at higher risk are my daughter going to childcare and my son who goes to school. 2 older kids go University but they also have online classes so not as much interaction.

I hope the virus burns out soon or mutates to be less deadly variant which is usually the norm.

Everyone keep safe and stay safe.
 
A close practitioner friend told me just now, just gotta wait for the fire to burn itself out. Nothing we do can stop it. It will, but the more we interfere with its course, the more it'll deviate from it's initial course taking an even longer time to reach it's intended destination.
I cannot disagree but sigh in acceptance
The standard growth curve applies, which is why the hammer-and-dance method was chosen long ago to keep the exponential phase away- especially when it was an unknown outbreak (1) and keep the healthcare system from being overloaded (2).
 
I hope the virus burns out soon or mutates to be less deadly variant which is usually the norm.

Everyone keep safe and stay safe.
My point is, for the new mutated strain to propagate new generations successfully, it cannot be too harsh on its host, if the new strain kills off its host too quickly, the line won’t last long. So, we shall see.
COVID isn’t exactly new at this stage, but the hammer-and-dance approach is adopted at this stage to keep hospitals from being overloaded.
 
The standard growth curve applies, which is why the hammer-and-dance method was chosen long ago to keep the exponential phase away- especially when it was an unknown outbreak (1) and keep the healthcare system from being overloaded (2).
Hammer and dance? Wah I learned something new! Thanks bro!

https://labornotes.org/2020/05/hammer-and-dance-why-reopening-now-will-kill

Back then was also talked up at flatten the curve.

Looks like was impossible to flatten lah ie keep at a comfortable level steady till all gone through the population.

It is either flat as in almost no case or open then BOOM!

Lucky got vaccine. So despite the high exposure and cases, the number getting really sick is still relatively low
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-covid-coronavirus-october-13-1.6208989

The latest on COVID-19 in Alberta:​

  • A total of 2,901 Albertans have died of COVID, with 38 new deaths reported Wednesday, a number not seen since Jan. 12.
  • Alberta reported 652 new cases of COVID-19 on Wednesday out of 8,620 tests.
  • The total number of active cases in Alberta is 14,218.
  • The positivity rate was 8.3 per cent.
  • There were 1,027 people being treated for COVID in hospital. Of those, 236 were in ICU.
  • Alberta is reporting an R-value below 1. The R-value is the average number of COVID-19 infections transmitted by each diagnosed case.
  • An R-value below 1 means transmission is no longer growing. Provincewide, the R-value for Sept. 27 to Oct. 3 was 0.92, with a confidence interval between 0.90 and 0.94. In Edmonton zone, the R-value was 0.86 (0.83-0.90 confidence interval), while in Calgary zone it was 0.93 (0.92 to 0.97). The rest of Alberta was 0.94 (0.92-0.97 confidence interval).
  • 295,166 Albertans are considered to have recovered from COVID-19.
  • The Alberta government has released an app to scan and verify QR code vaccine records. The AB COVID Records Verifier app is available to download on Apple and Android devices.
  • Albertans can get their enhanced vaccine records with a QR code online at alberta.ca/CovidRecords.
  • Alberta Premier Jason Kenney thanked those who followed the rules and stuck to small or outdoor gatherings over Thanksgiving.
  • Alberta Health Services said Saturday that its scientific advisory group has updated its review into using ivermectin to treat COVID-19. AHS said existing studies have problems and the available evidence doesn't deem it safe.
  • AHS said studies to date into using ivermectin, predominantly used in livestock species like horses and cows to control intestinal parasites and some skin parasites, on the novel coronavirus have inadequate controls and flawed design.
  • On Thursday, Hinshaw said Alberta hospitals have seen people with extreme adverse effects after taking ivermectin.
  • There were 283 total patients in Alberta's ICUs on Wednesday, according to AHS, most of whom were COVID positive.
  • There are 376 ICU beds in Alberta, including 203 additional surge spaces (a 117 per cent increase over a baseline of 173).
  • Provincially, ICU capacity is at 75 per cent. Without the additional spaces, provincial ICU admissions would be at 164 per cent of capacity, AHS said.
  • With many surgeries cancelled due to COVID-19, patients and health-care workers are worried about a backlog and long wait times for surgeries and other forms of treatment for gender diverse people.
  • Alberta Health Services said on Sept. 17 that the only surgeries happening in the province are those that must be done within a three-day window.
  • More than 50 Alberta schools are contending with active COVID-19 outbreaks, while more than 750 other schools are on alert for clusters of infection.

Singapore still doing way better than Alberta lah as far as deaths concerned.
 
Hammer and dance? Wah I learned something new! Thanks bro!

https://labornotes.org/2020/05/hammer-and-dance-why-reopening-now-will-kill

Back then was also talked up at flatten the curve.

Looks like was impossible to flatten lah ie keep at a comfortable level steady till all gone through the population.

It is either flat as in almost no case or open then BOOM!

Lucky got vaccine. So despite the high exposure and cases, the number getting really sick is still relatively low
The research scientists have done their sums, not sure if you’re aware of the “Hammer and Dance” methods described by them.

I go by nature’s 2:8 rule and postulate that at least 80% of our populace will get this virus, but by and large over 80% of all the carriers exhibit very mild symptoms or they show no symptoms at all.

Of that 20% of cases showing severe symptoms, a large number of them will kaput if our medical system is stressed beyond their operational capacity, on the other hand, 80% of those showing severe symptoms have a good chance of recovery as long as our system is not overloaded.
When in doubts, I always fall back on my fundamentals. :coffee::coffee::coffee:
 
Looks like vaccines pushed that curve downwards significantly in Sinkiestan too :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Yet Another Worrisome New SARS-CoV-2 Variant B.1.1.523 Has Emerged In Russia And Now Spreading All Over Russia, Germany And Parts Of Europe
www.thailandmedical.news

B.1.1.523 variant: Researchers from Maastricht University Medical Center-Netherlands and the South Limburg Public Health 9 Service-Netherlands has identified yet another new SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.523 that most probably originated from Russia and that combines many spike mutations linked to immune evasion from current variants of concern (VOC). The worrisome variant is fast spreading in Germany and Russia and also certain parts of Europe according to the research report.

B_1_1_523-Variant.jpg

The study findings show that the new B.1.1.523 variant shares many spike mutations with current VOCs. Receptor-binding domain mutations E484K and S494P were observed as well as a deletion at position 156-158 in the N-terminal antigenic supersite that is similar to the delta-variant. These mutations are linked to immune evasion in VOCs that could lead to less effective vaccines. This variant has been reported in various different countries and continents despite the dominance of B.1.1.7 (alpha) and B.1.617.2 (delta) variant. Furthermore, the B.1.1.523 pangolin lineage as a whole is recognized as a variant under monitoring since the 14th of July 2021.

The study findings were published on a preprint server and are currently being peer reviewed. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.16.460616v1

Alarmingly, the study findings point to the fact that this new SARS-CoV-2 variant (B.1.1.523) is capable of escaping immune protections.

The SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has caused the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic in which the novel coronavirus has infected more than 233 million individuals globally and killed more than 4.76 million people so far while the figures keep rising despite the massive COVID-19 vaccination programme underway.

So far worldwide, more than 6.2 billion vaccine doses have been administered to various human life forms.

The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus also continues to evolve owing to mutations, which have given rise to various SARS-CoV-2 variants.

As a result of continuous surveillance of the SARS-CoV-2 genome across the world, many variants have been detected that are more infectious and virulent than the original strain first reported in Wuhan, China in 2019. As the data on these variants are shared through the Global initiative on sharing all influenza data (GISAID) database, scientists are able to better understand the evolution of SARS-CoV-2.

The US CDC (United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the ECDC (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control have classified emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants as variants of concern (VoC) or variants of interest (VoI).

Variants categorized as VoCs can cause severe COVID-19, increased rate of transmission, and can escape immune protection elicited via vaccine or natural infection. Some examples of known VoCs include the Alpha (B.1.1.7), Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P1), and Delta (B.1.617.2) variants.

Past studies have reported that VoCs contain several mutations at the spike protein that are linked to immune evasion. In addition to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, neutralizing antibodies also target the receptor-binding domain (RBD) and N-terminal domain (NTD) of the virus.

Scientists have identified antigenic supersites in three regions of the NTD and found that some antibodies can effectively target these antigenic super sites and neutralize them. Prior studies have indicated that mutation at the RBD region (e.g., E484K) can result in the evasion of immune responses.

The study team from Netherlands describes that the new B.1.1.523 variant possesses a novel combination of various concerning mutations at the spike region. These mutations have been reported to be shared among VoCs.

The study team also revealed that the prevalence of this new variant has already been reported in many countries across the world.

Genomic specialist and virologists have defined the pangolin lineage of this variant to be B.1.1.523 and it was originally recognized as a variant under monitoring on July 14, 2021. According to GISAID, a total of 533 cases of B.1.1.523 have been reported as of August 19, 2021.

A large number of cases of this variant have been reported in Russia and Germany.

The growing prevalence of this variant has also been reported in the U.S. and Australia.

From the sequence-based surveillance data, it was found that the first cases concerning this variant were reported in February 2021 and was in Russia. However recognition of the first cases in Russia does necessarily implicates that this variant originated from this country although most scientists believe that the probability is rather high.

Interestingly the frequency of this variant increased in May 2021 and its prevalence decreased by June 2021. However it is started to become more prevalent again.

The study team has observed that this variant does not infect any specific age group.

The study team explain that it has not been easy to identify the origin of this variant by knowing the pangolin lineage and some spike mutations. Using the genomic sequences, they constructed a phylogenetic tree which revealed that all the cases were similar, as they were in the same branch. This result indicated that the origin of this virus was likely in Russia and the first strain was reported in Moscow.

Importantly two of the main reasons why scientists are concerned about this variant are the three amino acid deletions in the NTD antigenic supersite and the presence of the E484K mutation of the spike protein. The E484K mutation is also present in B.1.351 and P.1 variants, both of which are strongly associated with the reduced efficacy of vaccines.

The study team conducted multiple sequence alignment (MSA) with the amino acid sequence of VoC and the original SARS-CoV-2 strain.

The team found that three VoCs (Alpha, Beta, and Delta) have deletions in one of the regions of the NTD antigenic supersite. The deletion of B.1.1.523 was found to be similar to B.1.617.2 and also comprises the E484K mutation that is present in many VOC. The results of this study are in line with previous studies that reported the effect of spike mutations on the efficacy of monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma treatment.

The study team concludes that the new B.1.1.523 variant harbors a new combination of concerning spike mutations that are present in many currently circulating VoCs. Many of these mutations are concerning and are associated with the evasion of immune protection.

They added, “This is critical, as these developments could challenge the effectiveness of available vaccines. More research is required to determine the transmissibility of this variant, which would assist in the development of preventive strategies to stop the further spread of this strain.”

The coming highly anticipated winter COVID-19 surges are expected to be a real fun time as many potential key players have already been identified ie the R.I variant, the Delta AY.29 sub-variant, the B.1.1.519 variant, the Mu sub-variants and now also the B.1.1.523 strain plus Gawd knows what else! May be we will also see lots of cases of co-infections with more than one variant etc and maybe also get to witness more cases of ADE in the those that got the shots.

For more on the B.1.1.523-Variant, keep on logging to Thailand Medical News.
 

Experts warn of a resurgent flu season and a ‘twindemic’ winter​

After seemingly disappearing last year, this year's flu season could be very severe, experts warn.​

BY
BRETT HAENSEL
October 13, 2021 10:45 AM EDT

Infectious disease experts warn that we could soon be paying the price for last year’s relatively nonexistent flu season.

Last winter, epidemiologists worried that a COVID-19 winter wave could coincide with the annual influenza outbreak, leaving hospitals and health care workers overrun with patients suffering from two different infectious diseases. But wearing face masks, social distancing, avoiding indoor gatherings, and other practices put in place to curb contraction of COVID-19 largely served to keep the U.S. population safe from influenza as well, according to public health experts.

The Centers for Disease Control reportedthat just 0.2% of the roughly 820,000 respiratory specimens tested between September 2020 and May 2021 came back positive for an influenza virus. During the last three flu seasons prior to the pandemic, the positive rate hovered between 26.2% and 30.3%, according to the CDC. There were also the fewest number of influenza-associated hospitalizations in the 2020–21 season—flu season is typically considered to start in October and go through the spring—since that type of data began being recorded in 2005.
Unfortunately, that may make the general public even more susceptible to the flu this time around, according to experts, especially if people do not get their flu shots.

“Because there were fewer flu cases in the U.S. last year, we should be expecting a reduced population immunity due to the lack of flu virus activity,” said Dr. William Checkley, who works as both a pulmonary and critical care physician at the Johns Hopkins Hospital and associate professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University. “It could result in an earlier and possibly more severe flu season.”

Of course, safety measures such as wearing masks, social distancing, and getting a flu shot could once again help minimize influenza outbreak, according to Checkley. But as communities loosen COVID restrictions across the country—and as students return to school, employees return to the office, and fans return to stadiums—people may become more susceptible to infection.
And even though new cases of COVID-19 are declining, a flu outbreak could further burden health care workers already exhausted from 18 months of fighting the pandemic, according to Dr. Gregg Sylvester, chief medical officer of global influenza vaccine producer Seqirus.

“When I talk to my colleagues that are still in the trenches, they’re tired. They’re worn out,” Sylvester said in an interview. “They’ve been working far more than they ever had expected, and the last thing that we want to do, while they’re working hard to get the pandemic to go away, is to allow influenza to come in and create some problems. Whether it will ever be a ‘twindemic,’ I don’t know, but we certainly don’t want hospitals filled up with influenza cases.”

Scientists at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health recently released two analyses that predict a more severe flu season this year than in seasons prior to the pandemic.
Not including last year, flu seasons typically result in roughly 300,000 to 500,000 hospitalizations, according to the CDC. The Pittsburgh Public Health analyses found that the coming influenza season will likely result in 100,000 to 400,000 more hospitalizations than usual. However, both studies also suggest that “increased flu-related hospitalizations and deaths can be mitigated if vaccination rates are between 20% and 50% higher than those in recent flu seasons,” according to a press release.

“As COVID-19 containment measures—such as masking, distancing, and school closures—are relaxed around the world, we’re seeing a fierce resurgence of other respiratory viruses, which does not bode well for the coming flu season,” Dr. Mark Roberts, who is the director of the Public Health Dynamics Laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh and senior author on both studies, said in the release. “In a worst-case situation with a highly transmissible flu strain dominating and low influenza vaccination uptake, our predictive models indicate the potential for up to nearly half a million more flu hospitalizations this winter, compared to a normal flu season. Vaccinating as many people against flu as possible will be key to avoiding this scenario.”

Mutating strains

While health experts agree that we’re unlikely to experience another flu season as mild as last year’s, most acknowledge that the severity of any given flu season is difficult to predict with certainty, as the strains of the influenza virus mutate from year to year.
Because of the mutating nature of the influenza virus, some argue that reduced population immunity due to a lack of exposure to last year’s influenza virus may not affect the severity of this flu season. “It’s hard to say when a virus mutates that quickly really how much natural immunity was going to protect you to start with,” said Dr. Stu Coffman, an emergency physician and senior vice president at the national medical group Envision Healthcare. “So, I’m not sure that I would lay a lot of money on that. I would say that for sure the thing that you can do to protect yourself is to get vaccinated.”

Others worry that this year’s flu shot may not be as effective as in prior years. A lack of influenza cases earlier this year made it difficult to identify which strains need to be fought, according to Dr. Gregg Miller, chief medical officer of the health care staffing firm Vituity.

“Since there wasn’t a large amount of influenza circulating earlier this year when vaccines were being designed and manufactured, it was harder to determine what strains should be used in manufacturing the vaccine,” Miller said. “We’re not sure how effective the vaccine will be against whatever influenza strain becomes dominant.”

The CDC says that flu vaccination typically reduces the risk of flu illness by 40% to 60%, though vaccination effectiveness can vary.

Pediatric concerns

Even so, pediatricians are urging parents to get their children vaccinated. Last year there was just one influenza-related pediatric death. In the three years prior, there were roughly 150 to 200 deaths.
With children returning to schools and classrooms—some for the first time since the onset of the pandemic—there are more opportunities for the flu to spread among children, say experts.
The vast, vast majority of children that die from influenza in childhood are not vaccinated,” Sylvester said. “And that’s the real sad story there, so my recommendation as a pediatrician—more importantly, the CDC’s recommendation—is that everyone 6 months of age and older get vaccinated for influenza every year.”

A 2017 CDC study found that flu vaccination reduced risk of flu-associated death by 51% among children with underlying high-risk medical conditions and by 65% among healthy children. The study also found that vaccinated children made up only roughly 25% of pediatric influenza-related deaths.

In addition to its recommendation that those 6 months of age and older get their flu shots, the CDC also noted that for children who are eligible, the COVID-19 and influenza vaccines can be co-administered.
 
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