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Coronavirus concerns way overblown

wuhan virus is like the glorified flu. the hubei, wuhan and ltaly situations are important lessons for the ongoing battles against the virus. the medical healthcare facilities collapsed there due to the huge numbers of infections, as a result more and more people got infected, and the death rate rose sharply unlike in other countries. those with mild or very mild virus conditions who might have recovered on their own but staying in the hospitals ? are preventing the 10%+ seriously sick patients from getting immediate and specialized treatments.
 
poore said:
I think Italy could offer the real picture, over 15k cases , over 1k deaths, so death rate is nearly 7 %. not the CCP 2 %
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glockman said:
Death rate 4% because they have a lot of old folks in Italy. Average age 81 yrs old.

https://time.com/5799586/italy-coronavirus-outbreak/
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It is still much higher than normal flu whether it's 7% or 4%. Those who are understating the impact are those who have business profits, assets, shares and investments to lose. They are willing to forsake the lives of others to prevent a depreciation of their monies. They have their own selfish agenda. And I cannot help but feel that our government is like this too by adopting half hearted approach to tackle this outbreak.
 
cloudy said:
It is still much higher than normal flu whether it's 7% or 4%. Those who are understating the impact are those who have business profits, assets, shares and investments to lose. They are willing to forsake the lives of others to prevent a depreciation of their monies. They have their own selfish agenda. And I cannot help but feel that our government is like this too by adopting half hearted approach to tackle this outbreak.
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I am one of those who actually benefitted from the PAP Government pussyfooting and not being overly aggressive in guiding people to practice more social distancing.

The window of opportunity has allowed me to do some damage control. After that has been done, I will aggressively criticize the PAP for pussyfooting.
 
poore said:
I think Italy could offer the real picture, over 15k cases , over 1k deaths, so death rate is nearly 7 %. not the CCP 2 %
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A far more accurate picture is from S Korea.

COVID-19 confirmed, recovered, and test cases South Korea 2020
Published by Won So, Mar 13, 2020
As of the 13th of March 2020, South Korea confirmed the 7,979th case of infection after the first case of coronavirus in the country on January 20. At the moment, 510 patients were discharged from hospitals after making a full recovery from the virus and 67 deaths are reported. In total, over 240 thousand people are tested until now.

This puts the mortality rate at 0.8%.

As more results come in from the total tested the figure will fall further and it will be found that the mortality rate is no greater than that of influenza.
 
cloudy said:
It is still much higher than normal flu whether it's 7% or 4%. Those who are understating the impact are those who have business profits, assets, shares and investments to lose. They are willing to forsake the lives of others to prevent a depreciation of their monies. They have their own selfish agenda. And I cannot help but feel that our government is like this too by adopting half hearted approach to tackle this outbreak.
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The people worst hit if the country is shut down won't be the business owners especially the wealthy ones that are the PAP cronies.

It will be all the employees, ordinary hardworking Singaporeans, who will suddenly find themselves out of a job. You obviously have not run a business before or you'd know that those with staying power can easily just cut losses, fire everyone and close the shutters. They'll re open later when the phoenix rises with a new set of employees on lower salaries.
 
May as well say the most accurate picture is Singapore -- zero percent fatalities!

Even common cold has fatalities! Huat ah! Huat ah! Song bo??
 
Thick Face Black Heart said:
May as well say the most accurate picture is Singapore -- zero percent fatalities!

Even common cold has fatalities! Huat ah! Huat ah! Song bo??
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In many countries the fatalities are caused by the fact that there are not enough ventilators to go round.

As long as the body can get enough oxygen life carries on so those critical cases are those where the lungs have shut down. Machines have to take over till the body has had time to start the repair processes.

However when sepsis has set in things can go downhill quickly. I have to say that the Singapore medical team has done a fantastic job keeping everyone going and this shows that the PAP is the best!
 
Huat-Ah said:
it just shows that ADMIN of this forum is a BIG NAIVE NOOB.

Normal Flu comparing with Coronavirus ? LOL ! Go google it the main differences/consequences. RATHER copy and paste the stupid article :wink:

But the way, its confirmed by some doctors that some patients even after they recovered, their LUNGS function drops about 20% - 30%.
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VOTE OUT ALL THE MAGGOTS AND MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE
OR OUR KIDS END UP BECOMING SECURITY GUARDS TO BE KICKED IN FACE BY CECAs OR PANDA FOOD DELIVERIES OR PICKING UP CARDBOARDS OR SELLING TISSUE PAPER IN HAWKER CENTERS
 
Leongsam said:
A far more accurate picture is from S Korea.

COVID-19 confirmed, recovered, and test cases South Korea 2020
Published by Won So, Mar 13, 2020
As of the 13th of March 2020, South Korea confirmed the 7,979th case of infection after the first case of coronavirus in the country on January 20. At the moment, 510 patients were discharged from hospitals after making a full recovery from the virus and 67 deaths are reported. In total, over 240 thousand people are tested until now.

This puts the mortality rate at 0.8%.

As more results come in from the total tested the figure will fall further and it will be found that the mortality rate is no greater than that of influenza.
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LOL.. You Why do you accept the flu numbers without question?

I have flu every and cold other week. my mucus could fill a bathtub, but i don't feel anywhere like dying!

millions die from flu yearly. Really?

500,000, 36,000, 40,000. Really?

I cut and paste official figures for you here!

In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus.

I believe the 'even 500 could be too high' figure!

Instead of believing blindly, why not take a look around you and form your own conclusion?

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html

Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio.




Flu results in "about 250,000 to 500,000 yearly deaths" worldwide, Wikipedia tells us. "The typical estimate is 36,000 [deaths] a year in the United States," reports NBC, citing the Centers for Disease Control. "Somewhere between 4,000 and 8,000 Canadians a year die of influenza and its related complications, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada," the Globe and Mail says, adding that "Those numbers are controversial because they are estimates."


"Controversial" is an understatement, and not just in Canada, and not just because the numbers are estimates. The numbers differ wildly from the sober tallies recorded on death certificates -- by law every certificate must show a cause -- and reported by the official agencies that collect and keep vital statistics.
According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year -- fewer than deaths from ulcers (2,977), hernias (1,832) and pregnancy and childbirth (825), and a far cry from the big killers such as heart disease (597,689) and cancers (574,743). The story is similar in Canada, where unlikely killers likewise dwarf Statistics Canada's count of flu deaths.
Even that 500 figure for the U.S. could be too high, according to analyses in authoritative journals such as the American Journal of Public Health and the British Medical Journal. Only about 15-20 per cent of people who come down with flu-like symptoms have the influenza virus -- the other 80-85 per cent actually caught rhinovirus or other germs that are indistinguishable from the true flu without laboratory tests, which are rarely done. In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus. The other 239 were simply assumed to be flus and most likely had few true flus among them.
"U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?" This article takes issue with the 36,000 flu-death figure commonly claimed, and with describing "influenza/pneumonia" as the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.
"But why are flu and pneumonia bundled together?" the article asks. "Is the relationship so strong or unique to warrant characterizing them as a single cause of death?"
The article's answer is no. Most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. For example, "stomach acid suppressing drugs are associated with a higher risk of community-acquired pneumonia, but such drugs and pneumonia are not compiled as a single statistic," explained Dr. David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services. "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus -- the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia."
Pneumonia, according to the American Lung Association, has more than 30 different causes, influenza being but one of them. The CDC itself acknowledges the slim relationship, saying "only a small proportion of deaths... only 8.5 per cent of all pneumonia and influenza deaths [are] influenza-related."
Because death certificates belie claims of numerous flu deaths, CDC enlisted computer models to arrive at its 36,000 flu-death estimate. But even here it needed to bend conventional medical terminology to arrive at compelling death numbers.
"Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death [internationally defined] as 'the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death,'" explains the National Center for Health Statistics. Because the flu was rarely an "underlying cause of death," the CDC created the sound-alike term, "influenza-associated death."
Using this new, loose definition, CDC's computer models could tally people who died of a heart ailment or other causes after having the flu. As William Thompson of the CDC's National Immunization Program admitted, influenza-associated mortality is "a statistical association ... I don't know that we would say that it's the underlying cause of death."
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot."
The CDC's response was its "Seven-Step 'Recipe' for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) Vaccination," a slide show Nowak presented at the 2004 National Influenza Vaccine Summit.
Here is the "Recipe that fosters influenza vaccine interest and demand," in the truncated language that appears on his slides: "Medical experts and public health authorities [should] publicly (e.g. via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes) - and urge influenza vaccination." This recipe, his slide show indicated, would result in "Significant media interest and attention ... in terms that motivate behavior (e.g. as 'very severe,' 'more severe than last or past years,' 'deadly')." Other emotive recommendations included fostering "the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza" and "Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)."
The CDC unabashedly decided to create a mass market for the flu vaccine by enlisting the media into panicking the public. An obedient and unquestioning media obliged by hyping the numbers, and 10 years later it is obliging still.
 
zeebjii said:
LOL.. You Why do you accept the flu numbers without question?

I have flu every and cold other week. my mucus could fill a bathtub, but i don't feel anywhere like dying!

millions die from flu yearly. Really?

500,000, 36,000, 40,000. Really?

I cut and paste official figures for you here!

In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus.

I believe the 'even 500 could be too high' figure!

Instead of believing blindly, why not take a look around you and form your own conclusion?

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html

Don't Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio.




Flu results in "about 250,000 to 500,000 yearly deaths" worldwide, Wikipedia tells us. "The typical estimate is 36,000 [deaths] a year in the United States," reports NBC, citing the Centers for Disease Control. "Somewhere between 4,000 and 8,000 Canadians a year die of influenza and its related complications, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada," the Globe and Mail says, adding that "Those numbers are controversial because they are estimates."


"Controversial" is an understatement, and not just in Canada, and not just because the numbers are estimates. The numbers differ wildly from the sober tallies recorded on death certificates -- by law every certificate must show a cause -- and reported by the official agencies that collect and keep vital statistics.
According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year -- fewer than deaths from ulcers (2,977), hernias (1,832) and pregnancy and childbirth (825), and a far cry from the big killers such as heart disease (597,689) and cancers (574,743). The story is similar in Canada, where unlikely killers likewise dwarf Statistics Canada's count of flu deaths.
Even that 500 figure for the U.S. could be too high, according to analyses in authoritative journals such as the American Journal of Public Health and the British Medical Journal. Only about 15-20 per cent of people who come down with flu-like symptoms have the influenza virus -- the other 80-85 per cent actually caught rhinovirus or other germs that are indistinguishable from the true flu without laboratory tests, which are rarely done. In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus. The other 239 were simply assumed to be flus and most likely had few true flus among them.
"U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?" This article takes issue with the 36,000 flu-death figure commonly claimed, and with describing "influenza/pneumonia" as the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.
"But why are flu and pneumonia bundled together?" the article asks. "Is the relationship so strong or unique to warrant characterizing them as a single cause of death?"
The article's answer is no. Most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. For example, "stomach acid suppressing drugs are associated with a higher risk of community-acquired pneumonia, but such drugs and pneumonia are not compiled as a single statistic," explained Dr. David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services. "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus -- the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia."
Pneumonia, according to the American Lung Association, has more than 30 different causes, influenza being but one of them. The CDC itself acknowledges the slim relationship, saying "only a small proportion of deaths... only 8.5 per cent of all pneumonia and influenza deaths [are] influenza-related."
Because death certificates belie claims of numerous flu deaths, CDC enlisted computer models to arrive at its 36,000 flu-death estimate. But even here it needed to bend conventional medical terminology to arrive at compelling death numbers.
"Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death [internationally defined] as 'the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death,'" explains the National Center for Health Statistics. Because the flu was rarely an "underlying cause of death," the CDC created the sound-alike term, "influenza-associated death."
Using this new, loose definition, CDC's computer models could tally people who died of a heart ailment or other causes after having the flu. As William Thompson of the CDC's National Immunization Program admitted, influenza-associated mortality is "a statistical association ... I don't know that we would say that it's the underlying cause of death."
The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot."
The CDC's response was its "Seven-Step 'Recipe' for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) Vaccination," a slide show Nowak presented at the 2004 National Influenza Vaccine Summit.
Here is the "Recipe that fosters influenza vaccine interest and demand," in the truncated language that appears on his slides: "Medical experts and public health authorities [should] publicly (e.g. via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes) - and urge influenza vaccination." This recipe, his slide show indicated, would result in "Significant media interest and attention ... in terms that motivate behavior (e.g. as 'very severe,' 'more severe than last or past years,' 'deadly')." Other emotive recommendations included fostering "the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza" and "Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)."
The CDC unabashedly decided to create a mass market for the flu vaccine by enlisting the media into panicking the public. An obedient and unquestioning media obliged by hyping the numbers, and 10 years later it is obliging still.
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If you believe this sort of crap I guess you should also believe that the drug companies are refusing to mass produce a vaccine for the covid-19 virus unless there is sufficient negative news to sustain a demand. Otherwise it is a money losing venture.

I certainly do not doubt the flu figures because I have lost loved ones to influenza. However the death certificate will not list the cause of death as "Influenza". It will state "pneumonia" or "sepsis" etc depending upon which organ failed as the result of the infection.

Finally you do not have flu every other week. I have only caught twice in my life. The first time it almost killed me and the second time Tamiflu saved me.

I get the cold virus quite often especially in winter but it is mild and life goes on.

If you had the flu every other week you'd be dead by now for sure.
 
Leongsam said:
A far more accurate picture is from S Korea.

COVID-19 confirmed, recovered, and test cases South Korea 2020
Published by Won So, Mar 13, 2020
As of the 13th of March 2020, South Korea confirmed the 7,979th case of infection after the first case of coronavirus in the country on January 20. At the moment, 510 patients were discharged from hospitals after making a full recovery from the virus and 67 deaths are reported. In total, over 240 thousand people are tested until now.

This puts the mortality rate at 0.8%.

As more results come in from the total tested the figure will fall further and it will be found that the mortality rate is no greater than that of influenza.
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arhh... boss sam.

how did you get 0.8% from any of the figures quoted? or was it from the original article?
 
Any disease that is between 10 to 30 times more lethal than the common flu and spreads a lot more easily than SARS should be taken seriously. That is from virologist’s perspective.

From an economic and market perspective, it is the fear of Coronavirus, whether rational or otherwise, that is great for short sellers and bargain hunters - the more fear the better.

“Hopefully” the “irrational” fear will lead to some sectors going into deep recession, then firms in those sectors go kaput, then banks who lent to these sectors get into trouble, then a financial crisis, then drop drop drop until climax including “investors” jumping out of buildings, then can start shopping ...

 
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Flatten the curve.

10 to 15% need ventilators. So if you have too many cases at the same time and dont have enough ventilators for the 10-15% then more will die.

If the healthcare system is overwhelmed the mortality rate is 3 to 5%.

If it is not overwhelmed it is 0.5%.

Spread the cases out over time. Slow the spread. It buys time and resources for the doctors to help the 10 to 15% properly. Less deaths.
 
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