China would beat US in war

[blackmondy]

We need some action. Last major war was Vietnam war ....long, long time ago. Time for Yanks to show what they are made of. Give Trump a chance to act like Comdr In Chief. Also, he could siam an election and hang on to the Presidency until war over.

You are still living in the past. The new war mantra : Kill your enemy's top military guy first.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cctv-shows-moment-iranian-generals-21208855

 

[LaoTze]

In Korea where USA firepower was at least 100 times more than China and China industrial might was much less than sub Sahara Africa , the Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.

And what about Vietnam?
What ws the military edge USA had over Vietnam and China who supported Vietnam with boots on the ground.
About 100 or more to 1?
Didn’t USA had far far greather military technology supremacy over China and Vietnam?
Firepower of USA which included B52s, battleships, Spooky gunships? Helicopter gunships and who threw everything into fighting Viets including toilet bowls?

Your memory so short?
Maybe this can refresh your memory.
How about this!

Mylai rings a bell? A moment to be proud of ? Among many other moments like Mylai.
Help to boost up the numbers for body counts! Small or big, young or old, still bodies to be counted!

USA fought with gunships, battleships, fighter planes from carriers, B52s, massive firepower and total air superiority, against pajamas clad fighters with flip flops from used truck tyres firing AKs and RPGs.
And with courage as they fought for freedom and their land whereas USA fought to enshrine corrupt dictators.
You proud of that?
I wish you joy in such kind of pride.
This was the end result.
You remember this ? Or too painful?

What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs

What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.

USA want to invade China when China military technology is better and China with more fire power over USA?
Please do not have war with China.
Do not even think of a nuclear war with China because you think China got only 300 nukes and USA got thousands of nukes.
But if even one nuke land on China or Chinese forces, USA and all of USA bases around the world from Guam to Okinawa and Japan and Diego Garcia and Singapore and UK and Europe will become lakes and seas of molten glowing green and multicolored glass.
Wuming Chan's answer to Could China's 200 nukes realistically kill more than 50% of the US population in a nuclear war?
Wuming Chan's answer to Which missile can be considered as the world's most dangerous Intercontinental Ballistic missile (ICBM) ?
Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?
Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?

 

[LaoTze]

With all that’s said, fact remain that modern Chinese and Russian howitzers shoot further and have more bang and more accurate than USA howitzer.

That matter a lot more to the end user. Not involved convulated explanations like in here why that is so and talking of comparing of apples and oranges. Some of the answers kept saying USA control the sky and will use her planes to bomb targets first and thus do not need long range artillery. Seems that came from USA experiences in fighting sheep and goat herders and fishermen of Somalia. And even at that, appeared to be losing the war in Afghan and Somalia. USA think she will control the sky when fighting with peers or near peers?

USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in tube artillery or rocket artillery.

**Chinese tube artillery**

Top 10 Self-Propelled Howitzers

Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.

PLZ-52 is capable of firing a full range of Chinese 155 mm munitions. Range of a standard High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) projectile is around 30 km and around 40 km of extended-range projectile. Maximum range of fire is 53 km with rocket-assisted projectile. It has been reported that China developed a GPS-guided 155 mm projectile. It was claimed that this projectile has a whooping maximum range of 100 km and accuracy of 40 m.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen (Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen
)

Rate of fire

Maximum:8–10 rounds/min
Sustained: 2 rounds/min

Look at the M109 below

Rate of fire

Maximum: 4 rpm/3 min.
Sustained: 1 rpm

Effective firing range

Conventional: 18 km (11 mi)
RAP
: 30 km (19 mi)

M109 totally outmatched by the PLZ-45.

It is not a wonder why even Saudi Arabia bought PLZ-45 despite they being a captive client country of USA and yet refused and rejected USA arty despite the obvious massive arm twisting of USA on Saudi Arabia.

**Rocket Artillery **

Now China is as good if not better than Russians in rocket artillery.

Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
)

The PHL 03 is a Chinese artillery rocket system. It is a copy of the Soviet

Smerch (Smerch Multiple Launch Rocket System
)

. It reportedly entered service with the Chinese army in 2004-2005. The PHL 03 is also being proposed for the export customers as the AR2. It has been exported to Morocco (one battalion with 36 units).

The PHL 03 has 12 tubes for 300 mm rockets. A standard rocket weights around 800 kg and has a 280 kg warhead. Maximum range of fire is 70-130 km depending on the warhead type. Though some sources report that rockets of this system has a maximum range of 150 km. Rockets are available with High Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), fuel-air explosive, and cluster warheads with anti-armor and anti-personnel submunitions. Cluster warheads may also carry self-targeting anti-tank munitions. A full salvo of this system could potentially cover an area of up to 67 hectares.

**Even though the PHL 03 is a Chinese version of the Smerch, it appears that Chinese overtook Russians in terms of rockets, as rockets of the PHL 03 have longer range than those of the Smerch. Manufacturers claim, that Chinese 300 mm rockets are not compatible with the Russian Smerch rockets as these use different propellant motors and components.**

China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System (China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System
)

Various types of the 300 mm caliber rocket shells fired by the PHL03 are equipped with simple automatic correction system which allows more dense impact points. The impact point intensity doubles and the accuracy triples. In this way, a high kill probability with fewer rocket shells is possible.

Comparison with its peers

From the table above, it can be concluded that in terms of overall design, or in particular, the range, intensity, power, survivability and maneuverability, the PHL03 MLRS has a series of major breakthroughs compared with traditional rockets. Some of its aspects meet or even exceed the world's advanced level.

The service of the PHL03 Multiple Launch Rocket System has greatly enhanced the capability of remote fire support of the Chinese military. The operational performance of the system will continue to improve with the development of China's rocket shell technology. And it will become an indispensable remote firepower for the Chinese military.

And read this too

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system casts shadow over Taiwan Strait

• The ‘mystery’ hardware that appeared without a name at the National Day parade in October is the PLA’s most powerful MLRS ever, experts say
• System capable of firing eight 370mm rockets 350km or two 750mm ballistic missiles 500km

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km. Photo: Handout

The multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) that made its public debut at China’s
National Day parade
on October 1 has been identified as a state-of-the-art piece of weaponry capable of firing both rockets and ballistic missiles, according to a leading military magazine.
A report in the latest issue of Modern Ships also gave the new hardware a name – the Type PCL191 – saying it was a modular launcher based on the AR3 system developed by China for the export market.
Unlike other weapon systems on display in Beijing, which had their names emblazoned along their sides, the Type PCL191 rumbled through the streets of Beijing on the back of heavy-duty trucks with almost complete anonymity.


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...91-multiple-launch-rocket-system-casts-shadow





Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.

Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinee cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the fuck the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?
China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes
USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**
How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
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This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war
There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.

Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia

 

[LaoTze]

You think you got stealth planes?

USA sending in her F-22, F35s, B1s and B2s?

How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.

Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes

China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.

Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.

Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.

And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.

Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

https://thaimilitaryandasianregi...

China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer

10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count

Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?

According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).

In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).

And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong

ANOTHER BIG BIRD

The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.

http://www.top81.cn
, via yexu at China Defense Forum

vacuuming up a wealth of data, for extended periods of time.

The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.

Now you can tell me about your dog fights and air combats with China when your planes got no bases to take off from or to land and no carriers and no KC135 tankers and no AEWCs and no JSTARS to tell your pilots what the fuck to do.

3000++ Mach 3-4 AShMs and 200++ DFs
and CM-401s will carry the good news to keep the 'Muricans on their ships forever young.

You think all those AShMs and DFs and CMs will miss their intended targets?

Chaoxun-1 (CX-1)

The CX-1 is a supersonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) that can travel up to Mach 2.8-3 at an altitude of 17,000 m (56,000 ft). It travels along a low-high-low flight profile and has a range of 40–280 km (25–174 mi; 22–151 nmi) using a two-stage booster, descending to 10 meters above the water when 10 km (6.2 mi; 5.4 nmi) from the target. The 260 kg (570 lb) warhead has a 20 m (66 ft) circular error probability (CEP)


YJ-12 (CM-302)

The Chinese YJ-12E, also known as CM-302, is a supersonic, anti-ship, cruise missile developed by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp (CASIC). The CM-302 missile has a maximum range of 290 kilometers carrying a 250 kg warhead with a kill probability of 90 percent. The missile is an export version of the YJ-12 missile and was unveiled at the Zuhai Air Show in November 2016.

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.




And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.

First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?

Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?

Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off within the first ten minutes of the war.

Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.

Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.

Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases within the next 60 to 90 minutes.

How many ‘Murican carriers need to be hit by China DFs or CMs or Mach 3–4 AShMs, together with their Ticos and Burkes?

2 Carrier strike groups?

4 CSGs?

11 CSGs?

And can that thought of nuking China. Bad enough your USA carriers and Burkes and Ticonderogas are burning and sinking. The rest of the world , and China , still intact

Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?

Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?

Isnt it so fucking stupid to even let the war start in the first place?

Isnt that other alternative a lot better?

Young men and women of both countries and all countries should smell roses, make love and drink and dine and laugh and go enjoy sunrises and sunsets and play with their kids and children.

And if USA start to throw fucking nukes about?

And if you think China got 260 nukes, think again.

An answer made elsewhere but very appropriate for those threatening to use nuke or nukes on China

And thereby extracted in entirety.

Ngsum Ngsei's answer to Instead of actually fighting the Chinese if they invade Taiwan why doesn't the United States just nuke them if China invades Taiwan?

Is it the concern of any country with regards to China and Taiwan?

What right do any country to intervene or to talk of intervening between China and Taiwan?

You seriously think China can be nuked just like that?

That China got only about 200 nukes and cannot deliver the nukes to USA?

And that you can gloat over a nuked China and laugh at the nuked Chinese?

When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.

US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.

Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons

Try to read and know of the China Great Underground Wall. China’s complex tunnel system, which stretches 5,000 km (3,000 miles). Do you think that Great Underground Wall of 5000 km hide only 200 nukes?

The report determined that the stated Chinese nuclear arsenal is understated and as many as 3,000 nuclear warheads may be stored in the tunnel network
Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia

And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.

China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.

3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs

DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs

In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).

Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13

)

As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.

Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.

2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.

The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman

which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.

As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs

It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.

If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.

Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.

How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?

6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?

Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'

Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world
If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.

Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.

Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?

And the JL3, on Chinese subs. JL3 navalised version of DF-41. There will be 8 number of Type 094 subs by 2020 (6 now) . And China building 6 numbers of Type 096 simultaneously, equivalent or better than Ohio, each will carry 24 JL-3.

You still feeling lucky?

SSBNs

Type 094 Jin Class SSBN

Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.

Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.

Or 288 nuclear warheads

Type 096 Tang Class SSBN

This is similar to Ohio Class

Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.

Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.

Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.

Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.

Or the warheads delivered are empty.

More likely than not, China got about 2000 to 3000 numbers of plutonium/U235 cores , together with assemblies of 2000 to 3000 thermonukes. Without the cores inserted and thereby making them a thermonuclear bomb, China got no nukes.

But if the situation is very dangerous, those 2000 to 3000 cores can be inserted in a matter of days into the 2000 to 3000 assemblies.

If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.

China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces, ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.

None of the USA carriers will be spared. The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.

And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.

New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains

Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)

How will the Aegis defend against 300–400++ Mach 3s AShMs aimed at each Murican CAGs???

How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

And do not imagine there are only 260 Chinese nuclear warheads .

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.

A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.

China will not allow that to happen again. China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China, or exist only in name after a nuked China

So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes

The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.

Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.

And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying fuck as to the reasons.

A simple calculation will show to you China ICBMs have collectively much greater throw weight of nukes, and coming into USA and USA bases and carrier locations and USA Allies via hypersonic delivery systems that cannot be intercepted.

Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

Unlike USA rednecks who threatened to use nukes for anything and everything like a spoiled child throwing tantrums, such as in raising this question.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.

 

[syed putra]

It just proves that china is a bully.

If china had not intervened, Korea would be as big as Japan economically.

 

[LaoTze]

It just proves that china is a bully.

If china had not intervened, Korea would be as big as Japan economically.

 

[LaoTze]

It might amuse you all to know not only are there 300++ DF21Ds and DF26Bs.

There is a strong possibility that those are MIRVED. To maximise the chances of your brave sailors you send will remain forever young.

Do take a look at this video of DF26. On top of those 300++ numbers of DFs, DF26 appeared to be MIRVED as well.





And for all you guess, DF21Ds might well be MIRVED as well.

And even if not MIRVED, there are still 300++ of them. You hope, or think, everyone of them will miss? And same for the 3000++ Mach 3 AShMs?

USA ships and planes not going to have any bases west of Pearl Harbour once the shooting start.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Ang Mo cock gives you freedom. Sucking China cock where got freedom ?

Ang mo did invent democracy but not all country is practicing correctly! Ang mo see u this chink as low class as u cant slang your eng and small dick! Of cuz now, they do not perceived chinese as low class anymore as chinese has become rich! Ang mo is very stereotypical!

U see msia & indon, both are democratic then do u think the chinese there got freedom?

All chinese ancestor is from china so this is not sucking china cock!

 

[laksaboy]

Hope China's two laughably primitive aircraft carriers get sunk.

 

[syed putra]

Ang mo did invent democracy but not all country is practicing correctly! Ang mo see u this chink as low class as u cant slang your eng and small dick! Of cuz now, they do not perceived chinese as low class anymore as chinese has become rich! Ang mo is very stereotypical!

U see msia & indon, both are democratic then do u think the chinese there got freedom?

All chinese ancestor is from china so this is not sucking china cock!

Chinese in Malaysia can insult and humiliate Malays. Only red flag is monarchy. Don't say anything about sultan or Agung.

 

[ilovechinesegal]

Chinese in Malaysia can insult and humiliate Malays. Only red flag is monarchy. Don't say anything about sultan or Agung.

The msia chinese insult the m&ds to sinkie chink and behind m&ds back! Lol! In front of them just put a smile!