China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold...

[steffychun]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

wonder if those B52s were loaded with any payloads... PRC is full of hot air as usual... tua kang... :p:p:p

loaded with US debt payments to China

 

[chuckyworld]

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By Alex Spillius, Diplomatic Correspondent

5:20PM GMT 28 Nov 2013







China has dispatched war planes to a newly declared air defence zone over the East China Sea, according to reports.


Xinhua, the state news agency, quoted an air force colonel as saying the aircraft had carried out “routine patrols” of the zone, which covers nearly one million square miles of airspace.


If confirmed, the move would dramatically escalate tensions already running high after the United States, Japan and South Korea all ignored the declaration, which was made at the weekend.


China had insisted that any planes traversing the area should submit flight plans or face “emergency defensive measures”.


Washington responded by sending in two unarmed B52 bombers into the zone on Tuesday, while Japan and South Korea yesterday flew military aircraft into the area in defiance of Beijing.

"America is not our direct enemy, and South Korea is our friend. But Japanese armed aircraft would be a different story. If they dare to come into China's declared zone, the Chinese air force will take action."

China announced the zone at the weekend, prompting criticism from Japan and the US. Some experts said it was aimed not only at chipping away at Tokyo's control of disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, but also at challenging US dominance in the region. On Tuesday the US flew two unarmed B-52 bombers over the islands without informing Beijing.

 

[Leongsam]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Stupid Chinkyland is the laughing stock of the whole wide world.

The Ah Nehs are so much better. Here's the proof.

 

[Masturbation]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Shd just nuke India and China and also Philippines.

 

[Sideswipe]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Wiki can be a reference not a true fact source, your university professor would throw your hand in the garbage bin and fail you.(anyone can go in an change in wiki)
Better link please, it is your right and in your opinion, and I have opinion.
You and I are not there in WW2 all we can agree is hearsay, KMT and CCP are the same both are evil in the past, jap are scumbag more Fukushima type of accident should be good for them.

References
the Pan Hannian books materials are retrieved from the official CCP records: the Beijing police files: the trial of Pan Hannian in the 1950s... Pan Hannian was CCP most important intelligence agent during the 2nd anti-Japanese war, the CCP version of Soviet Richard Sorge. books: << 潘汉年在上海 >> , << 潘汉年的情报生涯 >>
Peter Vladimirov was the Soviet representative n spy to Yan'an throughout the 2nd anti-Japanese war. he knew the most intricate secrets about the CCP during the war years. book: << The Vladimirov Diaries >>
He Yingqin was China Army Chief of Staff during the 2nd anti-Japanese war. Chiang Kai Shek and He Yingqin books: << 蒋总统秘录 >> , << 日军侵华八年抗战史 >>


the Japanese are just a pawn of the West to contain China past and now. China shouldn't forget her historical enemy: the Russians.

 

[chuckyworld]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

References
the Pan Hannian books materials are retrieved from the official CCP records: the Beijing police files: the trial of Pan Hannian in the 1950s... Pan Hannian was CCP most important intelligence agent during the 2nd anti-Japanese war, the CCP version of Soviet Richard Sorge. books: << 潘汉年在上海 >> , << 潘汉年的情报生涯 >>
Peter Vladimirov was the Soviet representative n spy to Yan'an throughout the 2nd anti-Japanese war. he knew the most intricate secrets about the CCP during the war years. book: << The Vladimirov Diaries >>
He Yingqin was China Army Chief of Staff during the 2nd anti-Japanese war. Chiang Kai Shek and He Yingqin books: << 蒋总统秘录 >> , << 日军侵华八年抗战史 >>


the Japanese are just a pawn of the West to contain China past and now. China shouldn't forget her historical enemy: the Russians.

Let for the sake of going with your theory, but it doesn't sound right, Japanese are not stupid they are smart, if you really look into history Japan has always desire for the middle kingdom, way before stupid yankee ever set foot in Japan

Joseon was overwhelmed in 1592 and only saved by Chinese intervention. The Chinese expelled the Japanese from Pyongyang in early 1593, and from thenceforth the Japanese were in retreat, eventually being forced off the peninsula. In regards to the second invasion, there is evidence to suggest that the Japanese would failed regardless of Hideyoshi's death. Despite doing reasonably well in their land campaign (although not as well as in 1592) they decisively lost the battle for the sea, which meant they couldn't sustain an invasion.


Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598) - Turkcebilgi English Section


Ming China under Emperor Wanli brought about a military and diplomatic intervention to the conflict, which China ... Joseon maintained only a ... 1592 had saved this ...
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Japanese Invasions of Korea 1592–1598

Boshita Festival in Kumamoto! Sa sa sa saisa!, Battle of Hansan-do (한산도, 閑山島) (8 July 1592; ... Sign up and save playlist Save ... Ming China. Ming ...
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[chuckyworld]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

The Ming Dynasty, are weak with rebellion and raiding from Manchuria, Japan took advantage of it to Invade Okinawa, Okinawa use to be a vassal state of the middle kingdom, they ask for help but receive none Ming too busy kicking their own ass.

Okinawans use to have 1 Chinese name along with their own for attachment to the middle kingdom, Japan change all that.
Till this day they still celebrate middle kingdom festival in memory.
"Ryukyu intellectuals all have a Chinese name, which is an attempt to maintain their cultural link with both China and Japan and reflect a history of peaceful co-existence with the both countries," said Hamashita, former Director of Archaeological Center of Okinawa Prefecture, who has a Chinese name "孙中路”.

a Historical Link between the Middle Kingdom and the Ryukyu People
http://multipletext.com/2013/5-12_Historical_Link_between_China_and_Ryukyu.html

Okinawan independence | Online references | cyclopaedia.net
en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/Okinawan-independence Cached
References for "Okinawan independence" im Internet, an Universitäten und in der Literatur... cyclopaedia.net

 

[sleaguepunter]

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Historically China's defence posture had always been passive till they decided to act. During the pre 1962 sino Indian war, the Indian had been projecting their might along the border and made all the noises while China didn't do much for publicity or said much till they decided to enter the war. The same thing for Korean war, sino Vietnam war . Not much was reported on the western media on this but during the 1996 Strait Crisis US sent 2 carrier sailed through the Taiwan Strait. China mobilized their submarines to counter and US carriers had to hastily sail through.

chinese military had went thru a lot of upgrade in their military hardware and software even since paramount leader deng xiaoping saw the US coalition fought a nintendo war against saddam in 1991. the PLA from then has been cutting number of men under arms and using money save from the cut back to modernize the PLA. A number of Cat B and C divisions were disband while those Cat A divisions received more modern weaponry. Plus 50s/60s era warplanes were mothballed while buying modern russian Su30MMK or other Migs and getting license to build more in chinese factories. While i have low opinion of russian navy technologies but at least it a step in the right direction for the PLAN to acquire more modern russian naval technologies while attempting to produce some homegrown products.

as PLA receive more and more chinese made high tech weapons into its arsenal, the west, particularly US will want to acquire the knowhow of the chinese weaponry. Of course, james bond fans expect the CIA to be able to steal suitcases of plans from the chinese war ministry but that only happen in the movies. In the past, the west can get the latest Red Army weapons in its hand, even before the Red Army units in the field received them, by getting via soviet satellite states. But chinese only export low tech stuff via the world arms market so denying the west the ability to acquire chinese modern weaponry. So it left to the old fashion way of continuously probing on chinese defense, forcing the PLA to turn on its SAMs, to gauge how powerful are the chinese SAMs so as to find a way to defeat it. by probing, US can also learn of PLA tactics, and by monitoring the way the chinese aircontrollers guide PLAAF pilots in the air can let US learn more about chinese command & control. warfare is not having more or better weapons will be the winner but to know of ownself strengths and enemy's weakness in order to emerge as victor.

 

[escher]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Calls Grow in China to Press Claim for Okinawa

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/w...in-china-to-press-claim-for-okinawa.html?_r=0

 

[chuckyworld]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Calls Grow in China to Press Claim for Okinawa

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/w...in-china-to-press-claim-for-okinawa.html?_r=0

The Okinawans should be the 1 to decide, they want Independence free from US/Japan, best solution is to give them those islands China and Japan fighting over it.
Independence and Neutral country, the 5 UN veto countries should give guarantee that it will stay safe from conflict..... still can dream but don't think US/Japan will do it.

“Independence Is Best For Okinawa”, Says Japanese Politician ...
www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/independence-is-best-for-okinawa... Cached
An academic research group on Okinawan independence is formed by scholars; Social Democrat politician pledges his full support in his blog. Netizens skeptical.

 

[Sideswipe]

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Calls Grow in China to Press Claim for Okinawa

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/w...in-china-to-press-claim-for-okinawa.html?_r=0

China can claim the entire Southeast Asia... based on the "tributary state is my territory" theory. think even mudland paid tributes to China during Ming Zheng He's times.

wonder why the Americans didn't give Okinawa independence after WW2 ? Japan were not in a position to object. Okinawa, trapped between the big powers of China and Japan would be a full fledged satellite state of the US indefinitely.

the Chinese Generals should declare the recovery of China's real historical lands of Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, 64 villages of the East, the Shan States... real Chinese patriots should support it. but KNN they shout about defending the sovereignty of that rocks Diaoyutai... China's nationalism is illogical.

 

[chuckyworld]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

Why not ask the Mongolian themselves, after all if the China government is not going for it who are we.

 

[Asterix]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

China can claim the entire Southeast Asia... based on the "tributary state is my territory" theory. think even mudland paid tributes to China during Ming Zheng He's times.

wonder why the Americans didn't give Okinawa independence after WW2 ? Japan were not in a position to object. Okinawa, trapped between the big powers of China and Japan would be a full fledged satellite state of the US indefinitely.

the Chinese Generals should declare the recovery of China's real historical lands of Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, 64 villages of the East, the Shan States... real Chinese patriots should support it. but KNN they shout about defending the sovereignty of that rocks Diaoyutai... China's nationalism is illogical.

Perfectly logical for China to claim Diaoyutai. If those rocks are Chinese territory then the surrounding ocean and what’s underneath are all part of her exclusive economic zone. There are huge oil reserves at stake here. The best part is the rocks are unpopulated – all the economic benefits with none of the burdens of “taking care” of the resident population, whether by killing or deporting or bribing or whatever. Claiming the entire Southeast Asia? You get the oil of Brunei, Malaysia and Indonesia and their troublesome Muslim population as well, hundreds of millions of them, not worth it.

 

[escher]

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Diayudao is Chinese.
No fucking argument about that.

The future is China

No fucking argument about that either.

Smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will die a long painful agonising death that will start the hooting of his Ahloonie and LEE/Kwa families

No fucking arguments about that either.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

the Chinese Generals should declare the recovery of China's real historical lands of Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, 64 villages of the East, the Shan States... real Chinese patriots should support it. but KNN they shout about defending the sovereignty of that rocks Diaoyutai... China's nationalism is illogical.

hello, cannot anyhow claims sovereignty hor. the lands claimed maybe more trouble than its worth. ie... claim shan states for fark, already have free shan state rebels plus warlords there.

as for diaoyutai, maybe the fish stocks there plentiful or plently of oil/gas deposits in the surrounding sea. and the most impt point, the island can be use as a listening post against the japanese and US troops in okinawa. A SAM regiment can be post there while also include a mobile radar unit too. So those islands have economical, tactical and strategic value. Useless pieces of rocks in East China Sea they are not.

 

[Sideswipe]

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Perfectly logical for China to claim Diaoyutai. If those rocks are Chinese territory then the surrounding ocean and what’s underneath are all part of her exclusive economic zone. There are huge oil reserves at stake here. The best part is the rocks are unpopulated – all the economic benefits with none of the burdens of “taking care” of the resident population, whether by killing or deporting or bribing or whatever. Claiming the entire Southeast Asia? You get the oil of Brunei, Malaysia and Indonesia and their troublesome Muslim population as well, hundreds of millions of them, not worth it.

hello, cannot anyhow claims sovereignty hor. the lands claimed maybe more trouble than its worth. ie... claim shan states for fark, already have free shan state rebels plus warlords there.

as for diaoyutai, maybe the fish stocks there plentiful or plently of oil/gas deposits in the surrounding sea. and the most impt point, the island can be use as a listening post against the japanese and US troops in okinawa. A SAM regiment can be post there while also include a mobile radar unit too. So those islands have economical, tactical and strategic value. Useless pieces of rocks in East China Sea they are not.

i understand diaoyutai has natural resources and strategic value. i am just frustrated at China's fake nationalism today, that is why i ranted about Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria...Chinese people's real historical lands.

i almost forget. China can claim both North and South of Korea too. the Koreans also paid tributes to imperial China.

 

[chuckyworld]

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Claiming of Diaoyutai also give China a wider sea lane, looking at the map if China do not claim it back they will be box in from the North, South, no freedom of passage to East Pacific Ocean and easy picking for those who want to contain and work to break her into a few more countries which they can control, good example is the ex USSR....

 

[The_Hypocrite]

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Can also claim malacca n the whole mudland too. As malacca sultanate paid tribute n add johor as its the successor of malaccan sultanate.

i understand diaoyutai has natural resources and strategic value. i am just frustrated at China's fake nationalism today, that is why i ranted about Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria...Chinese people's real historical lands.

i almost forget. China can claim both North and South of Korea too. the Koreans also paid tributes to imperial China.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Re: China Pawned Own Self! Kena challenge on new air defense zone by US, quickly fold

i understand diaoyutai has natural resources and strategic value. i am just frustrated at China's fake nationalism today, that is why i ranted about Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria...Chinese people's real historical lands.

i almost forget. China can claim both North and South of Korea too. the Koreans also paid tributes to imperial China.

Can also claim malacca n the whole mudland too. As malacca sultanate paid tribute n add johor as its the successor of malaccan sultanate.

i seriously doubt the new york times journalist's article, maybe there a translation error somewhere as i dont think a PLA major general and other historians can make just such a mistake. A tribute state is still a state with its own ruler who paid tribute to the the chinese/manchu/mongol emperor as overlord.

as for the koreans, they are nothing but trouble for the chinese throughout history. They indirectly cause both Sui and Ming Dynasty to collapse and lately cost at least 300K chinese lives defending the north korea from US forces and now currently costing the beijing US$6B a year to feed the NK people. the farking NK even had to audacity to only want rice grown on the chinese northeast region only. Thai rice not good enough for them.

 

[Sideswipe]

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i seriously doubt the new york times journalist's article, maybe there a translation error somewhere as i dont think a PLA major general and other historians can make just such a mistake. A tribute state is still a state with its own ruler who paid tribute to the the chinese/manchu/mongol emperor as overlord.

as for the koreans, they are nothing but trouble for the chinese throughout history. They indirectly cause both Sui and Ming Dynasty to collapse and lately cost at least 300K chinese lives defending the north korea from US forces and now currently costing the beijing US$6B a year to feed the NK people. the farking NK even had to audacity to only want rice grown on the chinese northeast region only. Thai rice not good enough for them.

think their main point was that Japan doesn't own Okinawa. the tribute state theory was just to show that Japan doesn't have deep historical ties with Okinawa.

how did the Korean dynasties cause both Sui and Ming dynasties to collapse ? read that the Korean dynasty was quite loyal to Ming. the Koreans were seriously considering sending troops to aid Ming's battles against Qing and Li Zicheng. the Korean court later insisted on retaining the Chongzhen calendar to show loyalty to Ming ? and in defiance of the new China Qing.

North Korea sent around 250K troops to China and join the CCP army to fight the KMT from 1945-1949. think it is only fair that PRC sent troops to save NK from US forces. no 250K NK troops. no New China ! so maybe China should help out the NK whenever possible today.