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[sohbuckkong]

Thanks for the offer. Yup, I think there is a program that generates live feeds. But somehow, I still prefer the live table results due to addition of number of cards burnt for each hand. Furthermore is real results

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The program is written by me, and it is written in exact replica to the way they are played in casinos. It is written in Perl.

By the way, do you play in those online casinos? Whats your opinion of online casinos.

 

[silverfox@]

The program is written by me, and it is written in exact replica to the way they are played in casinos. It is written in Perl.

By the way, do you play in those online casinos? Whats your opinion of online casinos.

Oh, I thought you meant those sold online.

I don't play online casinos. Because I haven't found an online casino that plays with 8 decks. Also most of them don't have live feed. Even if there is, there is a high chance they may be cons:(

 

[Mdm Tang]

Dear Silver Fox.

the expert siad that the fewer number of decks the better it is for us .

my question : a) at leisure world under the "manual" filter out the cards "the
Red Coloured " apparatus may i know how many decks they used ?

b) also , may i know how many decks they used at the "S$10 Min "
at the 7 floors where the cards are "filter out from a Black Machine"
types . This black machines keep running and never run out of cards.
does this means we are worst off at these tables ?

c) May i know what is the difference between the " red colours
apparatus " and the "black machines" . i notice we prefer the
Red Colour Apparatus ...

Thank you ...

 

[sohbuckkong]

Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
)

 

[silverfox@]

Dear Silver Fox.

the expert siad that the fewer number of decks the better it is for us .

my question : a) at leisure world under the "manual" filter out the cards "the
Red Coloured " apparatus may i know how many decks they used ?

b) also , may i know how many decks they used at the "S$10 Min "
at the 7 floors where the cards are "filter out from a Black Machine"
types . This black machines keep running and never run out of cards.
does this means we are worst off at these tables ?

c) May i know what is the difference between the " red colours
apparatus " and the "black machines" . i notice we prefer the
Red Colour Apparatus ...

Thank you ...

Fewer decks is said to be better as it brings down the house edge. But this percentage is too small to be felt.

From my understanding
At Leisureworld, the red apparatus is the shoe deck where they would be putting in 8 decks of cards

b) this machine is only found @ the $10 tables. My understanding is it is 2 decks. It's a machine shuffler. At Genting, I ever seen similar machines at the 3-picture tables.

1 deck will be delivered out from machine and the 2nd deck is in the machine. When the 1st deck has almost been delivered out, the 2nd deck will be delivered out next. The 1st deck will then be put back into machine for shuffling. cycle goes on.
This kind of machine is more or less heng suay as cards are shuffled every round.

The red shoe deck is better as after around 60 hands, they will shuffle the deck of cards.

 

[silverfox@]

Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
)

I was in genting past week.
Normally I would be in positive territory then I would go makan, come back play again. Go sleep and then next day same process. On and off there would be games with more players. However, if i started out with negative territory, I would at least fight till I breakeven or turn to positive before I stop.

That is why I don't go like going to l.world and cruise ships.

 

[silverfox@]

I am now trying to 1st learn the discipline way. I try that on soccer betting. So far had been ok. Like what was mentioned, the betting become boring. Every bet i stake $100. Betting over on selected league. Out of 10, i may win 6-7 or even lose.

And hey, is true that my losses was minimize. Then on another try, i bet on favourite teams. Then guess what what? I lose 3K. T_T.
.

Betting on football is like the same as casino gambling.
Regardless of match play. In a game got 1 team give ball, 1 team eat ball. Just like playing baccarat.
Choose only 1 side to bet. If eat ball, make sure regardless play against which team also eat ball. This may be a bit complex to understand, so let's talk about OVER/UNDER.

Regardless of opponent, if choose UNDER, just bet UNDER every match.
I have already past the phase of trying to predict which match goes OVER and UNDER, because one will never know. However if just bet UNDER every match that this team play, long run, wouldn't lose money.

 

[silverfox@]

Why people say 10 gamble 9 lose.

Because example today one win $1000, this $1000 will not be rolled back but be spent on many other things, maybe such as celebration, karaoke, nightclub, whatever. So the next day if lose $1000, It will be back to square one? What about the charges on food, celebration, karaoke night club?

So gambling is a double edge sword. Look at it @ investment point of view or look at it @ gambling seeing quick money?

With the recent economic crisis, there are shares which I have wiped out 80% off their value. When I go casino, I don't see 80% of my capital wiped out. I see slow increase of 10% gain.

So when people say gamble in casino is bad. This I agree but not wholeheartedly. Because when the market is bad, in recession. Even the properties you hold on hand can have 20-40% wiped off in value. Plus buying properties paying in interest.

 

[skerdog]

Have been reading silently this forum for a while.

Just have to salute Silverfox. To be discipline at the table is not easy.

Please post more experiences and advises for fellow brother here who would aspire to be a SilverAnimal too.

To recall an article I read many years ago, it was written by some1 who also make living visiting casino reguraly.

He has these rule of thumb:
1. Three straight loss and he's off for a break or quit for the day.

2. Increase bet after win.
ie. game #1: bet 1unit (win), then game #2: bet 2 unit (win), game #3: bet 3 unit. His max is 3 unit until loss, will go back to 1 unit. His theory is that when winning, should increase bet while loss, lower back to basic 1 unit.

3. His daily target is just small sum of $300, if I remember correctly. That article read more then 25years ago from Malaysian chinese newspaper.

 

[Mdm Tang]

Warm Greetings to SilverFox,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

With thanks.

 

[Mdm Tang]

Wah ...

a) 30 days of "work " @ S$300/- per day
= 30 x 300 = S$9,000/- per month ( tax-free )

b) 20 days of "work" @ S$300/- per day
= 20 x 300 = S$6,000/- per month (tax free )

c) PS : if "work" at L W then also got free drinks and makan ...

 

[0939]

Yeah, but how many gamblers can think like this. They usually go for big one and as a result they are busted.

 

[0939]

Thursday I went l.world, as usual I play banker on baccarat but I lost $1k, bad luck, they open most of the time player.
Friday I went longjie and again I play banker on baccarat. My starting was bad and I lost more than 1k but I continue playing and finally I made $500. At one stage I made 1k and I thought I could make more but I could not and I left when times up to take ferry home.

Mon or tuesday I will b going longjie again.
)

So there is no guarantee Banker will win. Would it be wise to switch to Player. Still 50-50 to me. Just for the change you would minimised your lost. Would follow the dragon be more practical if Bankers is not your day.

 

[silverfox@]

So there is no guarantee Banker will win. Would it be wise to switch to Player. Still 50-50 to me. Just for the change you would minimised your lost. Would follow the dragon be more practical if Bankers is not your day.

There is no such thing as a guarantee BANKER sure win. Banker has a higher percentage of winning than PLAYER, that's all.

Even buying shares, properties, gold, commodities does not guarantee sure win. Putting money in investment portfolios, unit trusts, insurance investments also do not guarantee sure win.

The reason why casinos make money is because human beings are greedy.
Greed in the sense that on a Baccarat table, many like to put bets on PLAYER, because betting on PLAYER got no commission. So betting on PLAYER wins 1:1 rather than betting on BANKER where B6 gets only 50% payout instead of the usual 1:1
If that is the case, then those who bet long term on PLAYER will confirm plus guarantee LOSE money LONG TERM.
There are not many people who just bet solely on BANKER. Because the majority of people are greedy. They think BANKER come, they bet BANKER, but PLAYER open. They think PLAYER come, bet PLAYER, then BANKER open. It's like trying to catch the right side. Just bet on BANKER one side, no need to catch. No need to think so much too.

Following thrends are just common things that people have been doing for years on the Baccarat table. If it makes money for them, the casino would have been busted long ago.

If you know the fundamentals of Baccarat, you will realise that the result of BANKER or PLAYER is not 50:50. It is more to BANKER. Even with payout of 50% for BANKER 6 bets also tilt the results more to BANKER.

As for calculation of PLAYER bets entirely due to the no B6 condition, its pointless.
In a shoe of 60 hands,
28 banker results,
4 banker6 results,
5 tie results
23 player results

If every hand bet Banker.
Total would be 28B-23P+(4 X B6) = 7 units positive.

So if bet every hand Player, should be 7 units negative right?
Total would be 23P-28B-(4 X B6) = 9 units negative. Why 9 units instead of 7 units? Because by betting on PLAYER, even open Banker 6, its loss of 1 unit instead of 1/2 unit.

Let me reverse the result this way
In a shoe of 60 hands,
23 Banker results
4 Banker 6 results
5 tie results
28 Player results

Betting Banker every hand will result in 3 units negative
Betting on Player every hand will result in 1 unit positive only instead if 3 units positive.

Over here, I have already proven 2 things.

1) Player is a lousier bet than Banker
2) Betting on assumption of Banker, Player, and betting to what one likes, exposes the person to lose at both ends and increases his risk of depleting his winnings.

If after what I have explained here, and people who read this still want to believe in PLAYER bets, I have nothing more to say. I rest my case. :o

 

[silverfox@]

Wah ...

a) 30 days of "work " @ S$300/- per day
= 30 x 300 = S$9,000/- per month ( tax-free )

b) 20 days of "work" @ S$300/- per day
= 20 x 300 = S$6,000/- per month (tax free )

c) PS : if "work" at L W then also got free drinks and makan ...

There are many Malaysians I see in Genting who told me they have been there for years. They make $100-$200RM a day and they go home.

As long as a person don't think of the Casino as a get-rich-quick place, then all will be fine.

Also think about those people who have been there for years, if it is get-rich-quick, why didn't they think of making $2000-3000RM a day instead then go home? Because the money they bring in is not in proportionate to what they going to earn.
If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.

 

[Mdm Tang]

There is no such thing as a guarantee BANKER sure win. Banker has a higher percentage of winning than PLAYER, that's all.

Even buying shares, properties, gold, commodities does not guarantee sure win. Putting money in investment portfolios, unit trusts, insurance investments also do not guarantee sure win.

The reason why casinos make money is because human beings are greedy.
Greed in the sense that on a Baccarat table, many like to put bets on PLAYER, because betting on PLAYER got no commission. So betting on PLAYER wins 1:1 rather than betting on BANKER where B6 gets only 50% payout instead of the usual 1:1
If that is the case, then those who bet long term on PLAYER will confirm plus guarantee LOSE money LONG TERM.
There are not many people who just bet solely on BANKER. Because the majority of people are greedy. They think BANKER come, they bet BANKER, but PLAYER open. They think PLAYER come, bet PLAYER, then BANKER open. It's like trying to catch the right side. Just bet on BANKER one side, no need to catch. No need to think so much too.

Following thrends are just common things that people have been doing for years on the Baccarat table. If it makes money for them, the casino would have been busted long ago.

If you know the fundamentals of Baccarat, you will realise that the result of BANKER or PLAYER is not 50:50. It is more to BANKER. Even with payout of 50% for BANKER 6 bets also tilt the results more to BANKER.

As for calculation of PLAYER bets entirely due to the no B6 condition, its pointless.
In a shoe of 60 hands,
28 banker results,
4 banker6 results,
5 tie results
23 player results

If every hand bet Banker.
Total would be 28B-23P+(4 X B6) = 7 units positive.

So if bet every hand Player, should be 7 units negative right?
Total would be 23P-28B-(4 X B6) = 9 units negative. Why 9 units instead of 7 units? Because by betting on PLAYER, even open Banker 6, its loss of 1 unit instead of 1/2 unit.

Let me reverse the result this way
In a shoe of 60 hands,
23 Banker results
4 Banker 6 results
5 tie results
28 Player results

Betting Banker every hand will result in 3 units negative
Betting on Player every hand will result in 1 unit positive only instead if 3 units positive.

Over here, I have already proven 2 things.

1) Player is a lousier bet than Banker
2) Betting on assumption of Banker, Player, and betting to what one likes, exposes the person to lose at both ends and increases his risk of depleting his winnings.

If after what I have explained here, and people who read this still want to believe in PLAYER bets, I have nothing more to say. I rest my case. :o

Sorry was away. I am in mid thirties. Wife and children nil. I don't have any full time job. My approx net worth, never really count.

I can only say that when you go casinos regularly, you get to see regular faces. Not all regulars are winning regularly. You see today they win 30K, tomorrow 50K, next week, you can see them lose 80K easily in a night. The tables, chairs, croupier salaries are all courtesy from them. You see them good, but they could have lost millions already.

What is the purpose of winning money from casinos? More money to spend? In a way it is neither wrong nor correct. Imagine today you win 1000, so you feel happy, and tomorrow you win 2000, so you spend some money on gifts, food, the next week you lose 3000. How?

I am no hero, just putting my philosophies to real life issues. People in general have no good impressions of people who gamble in casinos. Occasion playing is ok to most, just like people buying weekly 4Ds. But when high stakes involved, people generally think you are an addict.

I have no heroes in casinos. The only idol I have is the casino owner...just joking.....Coming to the part of winning money from casinos, what is the next intention? Initial playing 'career' involves losing. Let's face it, you don't lose, you don't learn, and the cost of the school fees can be enormous. But how many of you would step into a casino to observe the behaviour of gamblers? What is so good of observing these people?

You get to see the greedness of human, disgusting characteristics of mankind, these are things which one should observe and not to follow. Look at how some people win. It is not easy to spot a regular winner.

The basic character of a winner,
Calmness. (If you are calm, you basically win half the war)
Gambling Ethics
- Look at how some gamblers (proud, egoistics) showing off their ugly traits when they win a bit of money or losing their temper when they lose or pushing the blame on other gamblers, croupiers for their losing streaks.

If you can be very calm, you can be a winner in a casino. Never let frustrations get to your head. Once you scold the first vulgar language even in your heart, better get out of the casino fast because that is the 1st indicator of going to lose. The day when you can be calm at all times, one will understand how to win regularly.

Never let your emotions rule you. Never let other gamblers' emotions rule you.

There you see, I haven't got into the part on how to gamble yet. Basically there is no secret trick. Just how you calm your nerves. Easier said than done. Have time, go bookshops, grab books on philosophies and read them. I spend loads of time reading, people say read book in chinese means lose. I dare to say, Don't read, sure lose. The part on reading is to cultivate patience and calmness especially for those who don't meditate. I do meditate at times and read. At the same time gain knowledge.

In no time, you can play in casinos regularly and win regularly.

Thank You SilverFox

 

[skerdog]

If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.

True, it is proportionate but also once the amount is bigger, the psychology is different already.

If you have $2000 and bet $20 per bet and having $200000 and bet $2000 per bet, I think the mentality also a bit different. Also I think depends your bank account got how much $$$. If you have a few millions in bank, then $2000 bet probably will feel like $20 bet. But if that is your last $200000, then it would be probably be quite nervous.

So I think having enough capital at table is important, it is also important to have the feeling that you are not betting your last capital before you become a bankrupt.

 

[Mdm Tang]

There are many Malaysians I see in Genting who told me they have been there for years. They make $100-$200RM a day and they go home.

As long as a person don't think of the Casino as a get-rich-quick place, then all will be fine.

Also think about those people who have been there for years, if it is get-rich-quick, why didn't they think of making $2000-3000RM a day instead then go home? Because the money they bring in is not in proportionate to what they going to earn.
If want to make 2-3K a day, capital of course will have to be much much higher. It's proportionate.

Hi SilverFox,

Sorry to bother you again ...

Please share your thoughts on why the house will change dealer at
the bacarat table when the house is losing due to a "run of on players " or
a run of bankers ( meaning a "leng" is on ) ...

May i know why casino ( eg : LW ) do this ?

They are "kiasu " or what ? why ?

Thank you for your answers

 

[Mdm Tang]

Dedicated to SilverFox :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_q-pOZxlwQ&feature=related

 

[silverfox@]

Hi SilverFox,

Sorry to bother you again ...

Please share your thoughts on why the house will change dealer at
the bacarat table when the house is losing due to a "run of on players " or
a run of bankers ( meaning a "leng" is on ) ...

May i know why casino ( eg : LW ) do this ?

I don't really know of this. But dealers do change tables after an hour plus as they need to take a break. Dealers have to be alert or else may draw the wrong card. Maybe its a way of having a fresh dealer so that tiredness don't kick in.