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It pays $16/hr. Works out to $2560 a month (4 weeks) with overtime around $3k but after tax only take home $2200 when I was a first year MO with MOH in 1999 my monthly pay was $2640 but got NPVP so total $2924.74. I am comparing somewhat entry level rates for both jobs. Of course my pay range now after 12 years experience is much higher.

It's a start. Economy is still slow here. Property market is softening. Winter is coming so window orders will slow down maybe will get sent home some days means no money. In 2006 property prices really doubled across the board so if you came that year easy to find jobs that paid well. But 2006 to 2008 was not normal. So don't base on those success stories.

Nevertheless I am less stressed. Get sat and sun off. Kids love it here. They got their own jobs delivering flyers and newspaper weekly. Going for trick or treating tomorrow. At the moment on austerity drive till my wife starts earning some money to get income above expenses.

But working to take my exams and also my bak kwa business. Need to find a commercial kitchen for rent. Wonder if Bernard has any lobbing in that.

I always said that going to Canada was not necessarily going to be better but definitely different. Life is too short to stay angry and bored doing the same things. And certainly life is different now. Is it better? I am happier and less stressed. Only worrying about the finances at the moment. But it is still early days and I am confident we will get over this phase within a year.

I spoke to many friends who say I am crazy. Well I am. But the same friends complain a lot. I always tell them they can change their lives if they wanted. They say oh they have this and that commitment and cannot. In the end I always tell them that everyone is free to change their lives it is only the price that they are not always willing to pay. Sometimes the price is too much compared to the desire for change so it's not good or bad right or wrong. It is a personal choice.

My personal view on migration is this; if you want to be rich and have lots of money, stay in Singapore. After all Asia is the place to be if you want money. But if being rich is not everything to you then think what you want to do with your short life. I want to have an interesting life doing many different things. Life should be an adventure. And in Canada I feel free. [emphasis added by charlie99] I can choose to do so many things and the price to pay is about the same.

Trick or treat [nayr69sg],

I salute you for your determination and perseverance, because moving from a medical doctor in SG to a so called factory worker in Canada for the short term, reflects an individual who seeks his dream and a better future for his children. Your story (similar to many others who emigrated to Caanda) will be an inspiration to future immigrants. Please keep me posted of your continuing steps to a better, satisfied and content life in this True North Strong and Free. I pray and hope that God will be generous in His Blessings for you and your family, and that He will always provide you with bread, meat, salt and water. [If my wife, I and our family were to live in your city, in my wife's tradition, we would welcome you with bread and salt].

I believe it is the opportunity cost that pyschologically prevents many individuals who are more established in their career or profession, to emigrate. I was just fortunate to have a one-year opportunity before I graduated from SU, and left SG about 5 months after working in SG, which made it somewhat easier for me to travel to Toronto at that time.

I also know of a SAFOS who "performed not so satisfactorily" (based on the SAF assessment for SAFOS) so that the opportunity cost for him would be low when it was his time to leave the SAF. He told me that he is the only SAFOS to leave as a Captain.

Perhaps, you may wish to re-consider emigrating to Australia, if you wish to continue practising as a medical doctor.

p.s. I used to be charlie9, but I forgot my password, and re-registered as charlie99.
 
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Hi Charlie99,

Thanks for the well wishes. I pray hard too for the same blessings.

As for Australia, back in 2004 I flew to Melbourne for interviews and got a job with a medical group as a GP in Mornington. But the Victoria state Medical Board was in a state of disarray due to Dr Patel's mischiefs so they could not approve my application.

In any case, the Australian experience was different. More risky in my opinion. Australia would let me work on a temporary work permit, but would not give PR unless I passed their exams and obtained the FRCGP and got fully recognized. I heard that some doctors worked there for 3-4 years and then were told to go back to their own countries.

Luckily I had already applied for my Canadian PR in 2003.

Anyway I think Australia is also a more racist country and has less resources than Canada. Canada by far is a much bigger and richer country in terms of resources. I gave Australia a chance but they would not give me a chance.

No point looking back now. In any case it's the same if I went to Australia now. I still have to take exams.

Trade off is I get to work as a doctor earn higher pay, but always worry whether 3 years later we all have to go back to Singapore.

In Canada, I am here for good. I may end up as a doctor, I may end up doing something else, but my family will be able to stay here for as long as we want.

If being a doctor meant so much to me I probably would just stay in Singapore. Anyway whether I practice medicine or not is not that great deal because I am a doctor however you see it. Even at my current workplace, I am asked to see injured workers, asked questions about a fellow worker's wife's pregnancy etc etc. I didn't want to tell them I was a doctor but somehow the management told someone and it got out.

Ironically I feel a lot more respected where I am working in the windows factory than I ever was as a GP in Singapore. Singaporeans and the FTs treat GPs like shit. We are like slaves there to pander to their whims and fancies and customer satisfaction is everything to MOH. So seriously, to some extent I'd rather earn less money and be treated better than to earn more money, have some "so-called title as Dr" but treated like a chihuahua tied to a tree and beaten up everyday by bullies encouraged by the Singapore government.

It is a pity that not many Singapore doctors have the balls to stand up for what they truly are but instead submit themselves for the sake of money.

I also like to thank MOE for treating teachers just as poorly. All those long sleepless nights marking convinced my wife it was time to go. If your spouse is not supportive you cannot migrate no matter how much you want to.
 
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mate, australia is desperate to get more doctors in. come over here, please! dont let your skills go to waste. doesnt matter about money or possession, if you have the skill and canada doesnt want to recognise it, then pack up and go somewhere that is willing to accept you. Never undersell nor underestimate yourself.

1. I would rather earn more money as a dentist than a GP in Australia, unless I opt out of the bulk billing system.

2. Doctors with specialisations will do well as an allied healthcare service provider.

3. Australia still have a very good healthcare system, but the trouble is that we are outsourcing services to the Brits! With rising cost, we will see robots used in auxiliary patient care services like removing their rubblish and feed them, hopefully not at the same time.

4. Australia is trying to get overseas trained doctors into rural. But these doctors require a special calling!
http://www.gplifestylechange.com.au/

5. Can read more here.
http://www.doctorconnect.gov.au/internet/otd/Publishing.nsf/Content/-2-employ-main
 
if you have the skill and canada doesnt want to recognise it, then pack up and go somewhere that is willing to accept you. Never undersell nor underestimate yourself.
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If I packed up and go to Australia to beg for a job as a doctor......that would be underselling and underestimating my abilities.

I don't need to go all the way there lah.
 
1. I would rather earn more money as a dentist than a GP in Australia, unless I opt out of the bulk billing system.

2. Doctors with specialisations will do well as an allied healthcare service provider.

3. Australia still have a very good healthcare system, but the trouble is that we are outsourcing services to the Brits! With rising cost, we will see robots used in auxiliary patient care services like removing their rubblish and feed them, hopefully not at the same time.

4. Australia is trying to get overseas trained doctors into rural. But these doctors require a special calling!
http://www.gplifestylechange.com.au/

5. Can read more here.
http://www.doctorconnect.gov.au/internet/otd/Publishing.nsf/Content/-2-employ-main

Yeah go there work. But no PR. After a while go back to your own country.
 
Yeah go there work. But no PR. After a while go back to your own country.

Luckily you do not accept Mornington Peninsular, the VIC health care there is not up to scratch.

So far, Perth offers a decent healthcare system, and PR visa as well.
Provided you like Perth.

As for racism, the Australian health system has more nationalities working in them, and the people here are more direct and to the point.

White Aussie senior nurses always think they are better, better than the Brits nurses here, better than UK NHS doctors working here. Do you call that racism?

Also, we have too many Indian doctors who asks for too much. Not just surgical tools, but $500 meal claims under salary sacrifice? You will find a resistant administration.

If you have bogans as patients, they will want a white Aussie doctor, good. These patients waste your time anytime then.

In Asia, the moment you say you are doctor, you will be given respect immediately.
But here, you have to prove yourself to gain respect, whether you are in Australia, Canada or America. But Americans will be nice in front of you. There is a term for that, can't remember now, but there is a sitcom about it, How I met your mother.
 
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Hi Charlie99,

............

In any case, the Australian experience was different. More risky in my opinion. Australia would let me work on a temporary work permit, but would not give PR unless I passed their exams and obtained the FRCGP and got fully recognized. I heard that some doctors worked there for 3-4 years and then were told to go back to their own countries.

............

In Canada, I am here for good. I may end up as a doctor, I may end up doing something else, but my family will be able to stay here for as long as we want.

............

I also like to thank MOE for treating teachers just as poorly. All those long sleepless nights marking convinced my wife it was time to go. If your spouse is not supportive you cannot migrate no matter how much you want to.

I agree. In addition, I believe that an individual will be happier looking forward rather than backward.
 
"But working to take my exams and also my bak kwa business. Need to find a commercial kitchen for rent. Wonder if Bernard has any lobbing in that. "

Yes of course! I have lots of life insurance and investment clients who are resturant owners.

I have one who has a medium size resturant with a kitchen size which can cater for about 60 dinners. I know him very well. In fact when he and his wife was hospitalized after a serious car accident I was the only friend besides an white friend visited him some 6 years ago.

He owned a hawker center in Singapore in the late 1980s before he immigrated to Calgary and not he is in Edmonton. His restuarant is vacant for the past 6 years because his wife is disbaled. He owns the whole building in the west end. Quite a rich guy.

However he is extremely reserve and don't mix around much and it is very hard to do business with him because he does not trust people easily. Even I cannot any business from him after knowing him for 11 years. But then he trusts me to certain extend and will definately meet up with you to consider renting his kitchen to you.

If you want, please contact me via this forum now or call me at my brokerage office to leave me your phone for me to call back. I will be pretty busy Monday and Tuesday but should be free on Wednesday onwards.

My phone is 780 433 5433 and ask to leave your phone for me, Bernard CHAN. The reception will then email me and we meet for coffee.

Frankly I need to know you first before I recommend you to my friend. I have help that Ah Chee by picking him from airport and gave him all the advice and then now I saw all the "wounderfull" things he and his wife did to Singaporeans and the Pinyoys....this puts me in a very defensive mode.

I don't mind to be taken for a ride, but not to those I recommend. Sorry I have to be careful.

I also have another kitchen for you in Chinatown but it no way compare to my friend's 5 star-resturant. It is quite run down.

Also one of my deceased client was doing this pak kau business. His wife did the cooking. I don't know whether he is still doing. I do know he had a commercial kitchen to do the pak kua. His wife continued to allow me to manange all her late husband's investments. I am very glad. So again this can be another option for you. But I need to know you first.

I must be very up front with you. This type of recommendation might look simple but from my experience, it can entail some running around for me. ... fixing appointments, then some times the sellers wants to meet me confidentially etc. I am not into this business, I am basically a life Chartered Financial Consultant. So if it takes up my time I will not hesitate to ask for compensation. I am honest and nothing to hide.

I have not decided on this yet. But I just want let you know first that this type of service is NOT just welcoming you to my home or fetching you from the airport. This is a business transaction. I might charge the seller and not you and I will write an receipt for that. If you are not prepared to pay via the sellers side ...either way it is you the buyer ended paying me....then please do not proceed.

For me friendship is one thing, business is another. I do things free only to a certain extend. I am not like those people trying to help and get commission behind your back. I am upfront and I will tell you what I get. I am not ashame to earn for my effort.

By the way, I have heard other Singapore doctors immigating to Edmonton last 5 years...some are specialists. When we meet, I do like to know what really pushes you guys to leave Singapore. Alamat you are so smart and your kids should be in the gifted classes and your family can be considered as upper class? I am very curious.

Have you met some old Singapore doctors in Edmonton. I do know some of them who are here for more than 25 years. All of them took the test before practicing in Alberta. One of them, his son is not a lung specialist and daughter is a brain surgent. Both were top students in the whole of Alberta.

Thinkin of it, wow, there are indeed lots of Singapore doctors here in Edmonton......probably bec. they were trained in the cancer centre here.

Please call me. I will do whatever thing to help you IF you are a honest guy and NOT like........well you know.
 
In Asia, the moment you say you are doctor, you will be given respect immediately.
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Sorry but I find that hard to agree with when it is in Singapore. Just look at how much the Straits Times bashes doctors. And the number of complaint letters all the QMO offices in every hospital and polyclinic receive about doctors.

In Singapore, nobody gives two hoots about doctors. In fact I think people hate doctors.

Respect always has to be earned whoever you are. (Maybe not in SAF lah).

It is no different being a doctor. However, it has come to point where Ministers can compare doctors with barbers and encourage patients to vote with their feet. It says a lot about the landscape in Singapore.

One reason why I am personally not keen at all to go back to the medical profession is because of this growing phenomenon around the world.
 
I must be very up front with you. This type of recommendation might look simple but from my experience, it can entail some running around for me. ... fixing appointments, then some times the sellers wants to meet me confidentially etc. I am not into this business, I am basically a life Chartered Financial Consultant. So if it takes up my time I will not hesitate to ask for compensation. I am honest and nothing to hide.

For me friendship is one thing, business is another. I do things free only to a certain extend. I am not like those people trying to help and get commission behind your back. I am upfront and I will tell you what I get. I am not ashame to earn for my effort.

Please call me. I will do whatever thing to help you IF you are a honest guy and NOT like........well you know.

Hi Bernard,

I have sent you a PM. Not quite sure what you mean in your post. Friends should not do business with each other? People you do business with should not be your friends? Actually that's what my father advised as well and I can see the wisdom in it.

I can understand your anxiety. As they say "once bitten twice shy". I am no businessman lah. Just a humble guy who wants a simple peaceful less stressful life here in Canada. We should meet up one of these days.
 
If I packed up and go to Australia to beg for a job as a doctor......that would be underselling and underestimating my abilities.

I don't need to go all the way there lah.

wow.. i would kill to have a profession like yours.

Dr. Patel's incidents scared the craps out of the medical board here but despite one bad apple, there are many migrant doctors that have managed to be quite successful here.

i visited my usual GP here that do bulk billing, majority are staffed by indians followed by hongkongers. my family doctor is an indian lady who worked only half a day for the whole week.

my african friend had to study for the english language proficiency test even after she graduated from UQ's nursing degree. But the dept head fought for her until the medical board relent and granted her the full nursing license.

it still depend on who and when are you dealing with here in oz. well, it is good to see that you are happy where u are at now.
 
wow.. i would kill to have a profession like yours.
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Why? Because the money is good? The work is noble?

Well that's also why so many Singapore doctors won't migrate. Depends what you want in life my friend.

Actually I probably prefer to work less, see less patients and earn less but just enough for my family. The more you work the more dangerous it is for everyone if you think about it. But of course, that is also why there is so much "need" for doctors in Australia.

Whereas in Singapore the doctors already work until they cannot work anymore but the patients demand more and more.

So many of my medical colleagues regret not studying finance and becoming a banker earning 18 months of bonus (on top of 12 months of salary). Well it's all about money in sunny SIN lah.
 
Hi Bernard,

I have sent you a PM. Not quite sure what you mean in your post. Friends should not do business with each other? People you do business with should not be your friends? Actually that's what my father advised as well and I can see the wisdom in it.

I can understand your anxiety. As they say "once bitten twice shy". I am no businessman lah. Just a humble guy who wants a simple peaceful less stressful life here in Canada. We should meet up one of these days.

Yea. I got you message and I will call you.

I beg to differ from your thinking " Friends should not do business with each other"....it's only true if you find that they undercut you or earn from you without being upfront.....making you think that he is helping you but then from behind cut a portion of your profits.

If you of a good friend for 10 years, why not do business? Look at Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and the rest....whom they partner with? With stangers or friends they know.

I just one simple question to ask you in this forum. Please answer it for the benefit of all Singaporeans.

When I was in Singapore two years ago, I found that they was hardly any patients waiting in the doctors' clinics....a far cry from 20 years ago when I just immigrated. Then I was at Dr Koh's dental office and waited for him for an hour for a dental treatment.

Wow his dental clinic was full of people waiting outside and the the 1 hour I waited for him, I could not see a single patient at the clinic which shared a premise with the dentist. My 12 year old son was outside when I was treated by the dentist for another 1/2 hour. My son told me there was no patient at the doctor's clinic for that 1/2 hour.

Is the business of private doctors that poor?
And if yes, why?
 
nayr69sg,
I really hope you can make it. I suggest not to compare what you do here and what you are doing there now. The more you think, the more you end up justifying why you make the move. You don't have to justify to anyone but yourself. Just look forward and take the challenge, if possible, enjoy the process in reaching your goal. All the best to you.
 
Hey guys, guys

Remember me? My plan is actually what those immigrants end up with. A menial job or a casual job. You see, not everyone want to retain their existing credentials or high paying position and high salary. There are always people like me contented with the minimum starving salary in Canada. By the way the so called minimum salary in canada is still higher than the normal pay in Singapore because in Singapore there is no such concept as minimum salary. The salary in singapore can be as low as it can possible go.

So really, I do not see what the fuss is about. We should aim to have a balanced life and to enjoy life. Yes, some have a little savings to get it going for a few years in Canada, I acknowledge I am one of those, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to live stress free with a little modesty and realistic expectation.

To me, having a high level job with high level stress is a stupid idea, albeit it comes with a good income. I would rather have a simple job with lesser stress where I can enjoy family life with my basic and intermediate needs met.

Lastly, I think Canadian OAS and guaranteed minimum sum is a god sent, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to avoid the pitfall of low OAS paid out as long as you know how to thread the rope and stay the minimum required years for OAS pay out.
 
The fuss is, after the honeymoon period in your newly adopted country, you will start to find faults with it, and the first you will find that it is not fun to be down in the dump with that category of locals.

BTW, you cannot compare Singapore with Canada. At least you have figure out what is the equivalent of your current Singapore living, using the Canadian yardstick.

Hey guys, guys

Remember me? My plan is actually what those immigrants end up with. A menial job or a casual job. You see, not everyone want to retain their existing credentials or high paying position and high salary. There are always people like me contented with the minimum starving salary in Canada. By the way the so called minimum salary in canada is still higher than the normal pay in Singapore because in Singapore there is no such concept as minimum salary. The salary in singapore can be as low as it can possible go.

So really, I do not see what the fuss is about. We should aim to have a balanced life and to enjoy life. Yes, some have a little savings to get it going for a few years in Canada, I acknowledge I am one of those, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to live stress free with a little modesty and realistic expectation.

To me, having a high level job with high level stress is a stupid idea, albeit it comes with a good income. I would rather have a simple job with lesser stress where I can enjoy family life with my basic and intermediate needs met.

Lastly, I think Canadian OAS and guaranteed minimum sum is a god sent, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to avoid the pitfall of low OAS paid out as long as you know how to thread the rope and stay the minimum required years for OAS pay out.
 
Everything going well for you. No sound no picture for sometime.
nayr69sg,
I really hope you can make it. I suggest not to compare what you do here and what you are doing there now. The more you think, the more you end up justifying why you make the move. You don't have to justify to anyone but yourself. Just look forward and take the challenge, if possible, enjoy the process in reaching your goal. All the best to you.
 
One reason why I am personally not keen at all to go back to the medical profession is because of this growing phenomenon around the world.

I have Singapore relatives who are asking themselves why they remain as doctors. Mind you, one of them stopped evening consultations to spend more time with family.

And in Australia, doctors are quitting as well because of too much govt meddling.

You have the courage to change, and I think being in Canada helps, less social/family pressures.

There is always Plan B to return to the profession, but I believe you have what it takes to be successful in Canada. (from what you wrote)
 
pohchuan:


"To me, having a high level job with high level stress is a stupid idea,"
I agree with you 99%....still go the 1% left to fight for more money lah. Sometimes it does not pay to be that hardworking unless you have a chance to earn $500,000 or more per year. In Canada, a simple life like what you say and with some extra income from Sillypoor, you can take your son to go fishing or skiing in the mountains....just 1 1/2 hours of drive from Vancounver.

You know what, you should do paint balls with your son. Vancounver is so cooling, it is fun to run and shot.....no sweet like in the Singapore.

Yesterday, I gave a talk to a group of about 30 Vietnamese ladies in the Edmonton Vietnamese Association. The topic was "Retirement Planning for minimum wages workers". You might be interested in what I presented.

I used mainly the materials for the OAS and GIS to explain to them. I used a 35 years new immigrant who work till age 65 with minimum wages. So NOW she is 65.

I work out in the "worst" case: Her CPP should be about $250.
Then since she is here only for 30 years
then she would only get 3/4 of the max. OAS
which comes to about $400.

(For you it should be 1/2 at $200)

GIS is max at about $650

Thus total is ABOUT $1300.

In your case if you index it at 3%, then using the
financial calculator
with i=3, n= 20 years and
current value, CV= 1300 then
the future value,FV compute to about $2,300

So you and your the other half should have about
future value of about $5,000
per month

But I must warn you that if you apply as a married
couple you will get lesser per month than if your are individual!
Yea, it is better off in your case to remain divorced
as you had mentioned!

Sounds stupid, but that's Canada!
 
I just one simple question to ask you in this forum. Please answer it for the benefit of all Singaporeans.
When I was in Singapore two years ago, I found that they was hardly any patients waiting in the doctors' clinics....a far cry from 20 years ago when I just immigrated. Then I was at Dr Koh's dental office and waited for him for an hour for a dental treatment.

Wow his dental clinic was full of people waiting outside and the the 1 hour I waited for him, I could not see a single patient at the clinic which shared a premise with the dentist. My 12 year old son was outside when I was treated by the dentist for another 1/2 hour. My son told me there was no patient at the doctor's clinic for that 1/2 hour.

Is the business of private doctors that poor?
And if yes, why?

I will share what I know about the private GP market in Singapore.

1) Too many GPs. Oversupply.
2) Undercutting business strategy of GPs. You charge cheap I charge cheaper. Good for the patients bad for the profession. Good business decision? I leave that to businessmen to answer. :D
3) MOH opens polyclinics to "check costs" just like with NTUC and supermarkets. Polyclinic compete with private GPs for same market (they have "premium"/"private" type GP services at the polyclinics where you can see famly physician, pay market consult rates but get drugs at subsidized prices. Tough for private GPs to compete when polyclinic bulk purchase millions of dollars of drugs they get massive discounts.
4) Presence of big GP clinic chains eg RMG, HMG etc. They go for corporate contracts. Offer cheap consult fees to companies for their workers. Market rate goes at about $5 per consult per worker/patient. Cap for total bill is $20 per visit (ie $5 consult, $15 for all of medicine). GP cannot tell worker the cap as it will upset the worker who was promised that all "medical" is free when working for the company. But patient gets upset when gets what they perceive as too little medicine or "inferior" medicine. These GP clinics got lots of patients, but profit per patient is maybe $5 after counting rental costs, manpower costs etc etc. Don't be fooled by "busy" clinics. Some "not so busy" clinics can make more profit.
5) Most of profits in most clinics come from profits from drug sales. Strange phenomenon in Singapore, where patients love getting lots of medicines. The more medicine they get the more "value for money". Advice from doctor is just talk talk only, if no medicine given no need to pay. But get lots of medicine....arr.....good lah. Doctors give more medicine, earn more profits also. In the end it is a err.....win-win situation? Personally I hated this. 99% of patients got flu expects antibiotics. Go see doctor is not to see doctor, is to get antibiotics. Proper management is not to give unless necessary. And 90% of flu is viral, don't need antibiotics. Senior told me off before. When you go buy mee pok, the mee pok man won't say "ai mai hiam?". He says "ai hiam mai?". If you never say, he give you with chili. If you dowan then you tell him and he will say you never say mah. Same goes with antibiotics. Nail in the coffin is when he said "why so stupid? you give patient antibiotic he happy and we make more money! You don't give they not happy and we don't earn so much money!" Yeah but I am proper doctor leh not drug seller leh. Who cares? It's all about customer satisfaction and earning money.
6) MOH is happy with the situation at GP level as it keeps costs low for the consumers. The GPs silly enough to eat each other until nothing left.
7) Singaporeans actually very lucky. Want to see doctor everywhere also got. And spoilt for choice. And open late late at night also.
8) A&E also machiam like GP clinic. P3 cases all seen within 1 hour. Overall fee is flat $90 for everything, drugs, X-ray, blood tests everything....in a way A&E competes with GPs also.
9) In survey on average earnings of GPs in 2008 it was about $10k/month. Figure was the same as in 1998. Over 10 years no change. Factor in inflation, it has dropped a lot over the years. Good for the people.
10) Ironically despite all these benefits, patients still hate doctors. Attack them in the press. Press also attack them. Now SMC got lawyers on the council.
11) Over the long run, doctors will go down the route of how teachers are like in Singapore. Teachers will know what I mean.
12) Influx of foreign doctors. Cheap manpower. They are paid 50% less than local doctors but work the same hours.
12) Next up is specialists. After flooding the GP market, MOH is planning to do the same to specialists. New residency programs where straight from graduation they enter specialist training residency. Every graduate doctor will be a specialist from now on. Good for the people.

I always felt that despite all these measures being very bad for doctors, it is good for the patients/population. It would have been a consolation if at least the patients appreciated doctors more. But instead they don't. Everything threaten to complain. Complain they get what they want. Don't complain you get treated badly. This is how the admin people handle things. Lack of courage and integrity is covered with talk of "patient-centric approach", "customer satisfaction".

No one goes to the hospital or clinic to have a good time. Yet they send the staff for training by SIA and hotel service training groups. Please lah. SIA and hotel always say "see you again" when you leave. In healthcare try saying that to patients and see what you get. It is a different ball game altogether.

Nevertheless, it is still good for patients/people that healthcare costs are kept low. The costs are kept low because doctors and nurses are relatively underpaid. Admin costs however are high and sometimes you wonder why you need so many admin people anyway? How the government chooses to pass the costs to the people is another story and politically charged. So I will stay away from it as I am no politician and have no interest in that whatsoever.

Give another 10 years, few will want to study medicine in Singapore. Study overseas better. Either you stay there and do well, or you come back and the hospitals will proclaim you as some foreign trained genius much better than any local graduate.
 
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