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Senior People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader Chamlong Srimuang (C) attends a "yellow shirt" rally in Bangkok April 29,2010. About 300 "yellow shirt" supporters went to the heavily fortified army barracks that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva is using as a command centre to demand that he disperse the red shirt encampment.

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Members of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) commonly known as the 'Yellow Shirts' attend a demonstration in front of a military base in Bangkok on April 29, 2010. Thailand's elite-backed 'Yellow Shirts' called on April 26 for a state of martial law to end anti-government protests as the rival 'Red Shirts' blocked police convoys heading to the strife-torn capital.
 

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A Thai soldier talks into a radio as he watches a pro-government rally from a Skybridge in Bangkok April 29, 2010. About 300 "yellow shirts" supporters went to the heavily fortified army barracks that Prime Minister AbhisitVejjajiva is using as a command centre to demand that he disperse the red shirt encampment.​
 

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European Union delegation press officer Suvi Seppalawen (L) speaks to the media after meeting with members of the ''Red shirt'' movement (R) at the European Union delegation office in Bangkok on April 29, 2010. Thailand warned the international community not to meddle in its political affairs as anti-government Red Shirts called for EU observers on the streets of Bangkok.​
 

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Soldiers stand guard at a barricade near the Parliament in Bangkok April 29, 2010.

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Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva arrives to attend Parliament in Bangkok on April 29, 2010.​
 

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1. Thai soldiers and policemen guard a sky-train station on Silom road.
2. A woman walks past Thai soldiers standing guard on Silom road near to the Red-shirt anti-government protesters' fortified camp in the financial central district of Silom in downtown Bangkok on April 29, 2010.​
 

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Anti-government Red Shirt protesters and supporters watch a video about yesterday's clashes where a soldier died, inside the fortified camp in the financial central district of downtown Bangkok on April 29, 2010. Thailand's anti-government Red Shirt protesters called on April 29 for the European Union to send observers to Bangkok to prevent a crackdown as rival 'Yellow Shirts' readied their own rally.​
 

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Soldiers patrol with weapons near Silom business district in Bangkok April 29, 2010. Thai authorities said on Thursday they would intensify efforts to contain anti-government protests in Bangkok, a day after a soldier was killed in the latest clash of a campaign to force early elections.

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Soldiers patrol with weapons near Silom business district in Bangkok April 29, 2010.​
 

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A Thai soldier wearing pink sandals takes position at his makeshift camp near Chulalongkorn hospital where anti-government protesters make a search for soldiers inside a hospital building Thursday, April 29, 2010 in Bangkok, Thailand.

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Anti-goverment protester 'Red shirt' security arrest a suspect in Chulalongkorn Hospital as they claimed troops were hiding on April 29, 2010 in Bangkok, Thailand.
 

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Anti-government red-shirt demonstrators appealed Thursday to the European Union
to send monitors to Bangkok to prevent a violent crackdown on their fortified protest site.



The proposal, in the form of a letter handed to an EU diplomat, was swiftly denounced by Thailand's foreign minister, Kasit Piromya. “There is no need for international intervention at this point in time,” he told a press conference in Jakarta, according to Agence France Presse.

While Thailand insists that its deepening crisis is an internal affair, some Western diplomats are quietly discussing the idea of outside mediation to bring together political rivals. Such an approach is certain to raise nationalist hackles, though, amid continued saber-rattling by the military, which clashed again Wednesday with roving protesters.

In an interview, East Timorese President Jose Ramos-Horta, whose young democracy has relied heavily on international support to tackle political violence, gave his support to foreign mediation. But he warned that it would be hard to find someone who can step into the complex situation.

“I don’t think any international mediator is knowledgeable enough about Thailand to be able to play a critical role,” he says.
Abhisit ‘open to compromise’

On a private visit to Bangkok, Mr. Ramos-Horta met Wednesday with Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, who is under intense pressure to end the red-shirt rallies. A royalist protest group called Thursday for tougher measures to disperse the demonstrations, now into their seventh week.

During their meeting, Mr. Abhisit said he wanted a negotiated settlement and was open to compromise, says Ramos-Horta. “He wants dialogue. He’s serious about that,” he says.

Last month Abhisit held televised talks with red-shirt leaders. The two sides later reached a tentative agreement via third parties on holding new elections, as protesters had demanded. But Abhisit broke off talks last week after protesters called for a three-month time frame, which was seen as too soon for Abhisit’s coalition government.

Ramos-Horta, a Nobel peace laureate and former diplomat, says any future talks should be held behind closed doors and without using the media to score points. He said Abhisit had admitted that it was hard to find appropriate channels to negotiate with the protest leaders.
Thai troubles benefit Burma

He said regional powers were deeply concerned about prolonged instability. “If Thailand spins out of control it would weaken ASEAN countries as a grouping,” he says, referring to the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations, which East Timor has applied to join.

Thailand’s ailing democracy also plays into the hands of hardliners in neighboring Burma (Myanmar), led by junta chief, Gen. Than Shwe. It is due to hold elections later this year, the first in two decades, while resisting Western pressure for political reform.

Turmoil in Bangkok reinforces the claim of Burma’s rulers that unchecked democracy is dangerous, says Ramos-Horta, who is a strong critic of the regime and of Western sanctions on it. “If anyone is watching Thailand’s troubles with glee, it’s Than Shwe and his government,” he says.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia...ediators-defuse-Thailand-s-red-shirt-protests



Thai PM: 'willing to compromise' with protesters

The Thai Prime Minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, has rejected the idea of a national election in the next three months despite calls from protesters during a seven-week standoff.

There have been violent clashes between Thai soldiers and red-shirted protesters in Bangkok. Mr Vejjajiva said he will not give in to intimidation but he is willing to listen and compromise.

Abhisit's farts on BBC's Hardtalk (video)


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What the hell is going on ? He is "willing" to talk, but is anyone listening ?
His power came from the barrel of guns and from his reasoning shall be resolved with the barrel of guns.
What a doubletalk when he shied away from the olive branch by the Redshirts but still insists that he is willing to listen. Chutzpah !!!

Abhisit is not wanted by the majority of the Thai population but insisted that he is spearheading the democracy in the country.
He should have the decency to go out the way he came in, i.e. the backdoor.
Take a long vacation instead of killing more people will have a better karmic retribution.
 

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Welcome to thailand

Welcome to Thailand, Land Of Stupendous Temerity (LOST)



The Bizarre Story Of How Peaceful Bangkok
Became The World's Hottest Battle Zone


T-shirt wars in Bangkok.
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Color-themed groups whether they be red, yellow, or 'multi-colored' shirts have roamed the Thai capital Bangkok
over last few years demanding political changes.

These range from the red shirts' recent demand for fresh elections, to the pro-government yellow-shirt mob's current goal
of not having an election in order to protect the political party in control right now.


Life goes as if nothing is happening... usually
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The red and yellow shirts have clashed on frequent occasions with both each other and security forces,
causing thousands of casualties along the way and interrupting Thailand's usual calm
with sharp and sudden bouts of violence over the last couple years.

Yet oddly, most of the time life in Bangkok goes on as usual. Bars, malls, and restaurants are still packed.
Most people won't even mention the politics in your every day life.

Still, clashes and tension has become particularly severe ever since one month ago when the red shirts took over
one of central Bangkok's main shopping areas filled with five star hotels and designer brands.




Yet violent, bloody clashes happen out of nowhere.
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Reds have been particularly enraged over an April 10th attempted crackdown by the military in another part of the city
that resulted in 25 deaths including some soldiers.

The government has turned down requests for a broad multi-party investigation into the incident.
We'll touch on this complex situation further later because it says much about the entire situation,
but here is a video of the event we posted previously, below.
If you haven't seen it before, beware that it gets quite graphic at the end.
 

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Two days ago, clashes intensified once again.
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Just two days ago, police and red shirts clashed again.
Red shirt protesters attempted to reinforce a new rally site beyond their main central Bangkok encampment,
but were met by hundreds of soldiers who were reported to have fired both rubber and live ammunition.

Eighteen people were injured and one soldier was killed in what appeared to be a friendly fire incident.



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Behind all the mayhem are two primary, yet potentially fragile, alliances between opposing military, business, and political interests....


The Redshirts...
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The red shirts are the 'United Front For Democracy Against Dictatorship' (UDD).

They were originally Thais rallying around Thailand's previous prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his political party,
who were ousted in a coup during 2006. The UDD is mostly made up of lower-income Thais
from both the up-country provinces outside of Bangkok and Bangkok itself.

Thaksin's previous sweep to power was the result of the substantial attention he paid to developing and
meeting the needs of Thailand's oft-forgotten provinces. Yet despite the red's mostly low-income origins,
make no mistake of the fact that they are backed by wealthy business and military interests centering around Thaksin's political party
which has reincarnated itself as 'Peu Thai', which can be translated as 'For Thais/Thailand'.

The reds recently switched to wearing non-red clothing in order to escape police and military checkpoints
and make any government crack-down much more difficult. Thus they sometimes refer to themselves as 'multi-colored' now.
 

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The Yellowshirts(PAD Fascists)
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The red shirts are opposed primarily by the pro-government yellow shirts, know as the 'People's Alliance for Democracy'.
Note they use the term 'democracy' despite the fact they are trying to avoid elections right now.
They essentially back the 'Democrat Party' who is currently in power, yet it is important to note that this party has never won an election since Thaksin was ousted, and they are closely aligned with military elements who instigated the 2006 coup.

The yellows are comprised mostly of middle and upper class royalist Thais, and infamously took over
the Bangkok international airport with a huge sit-in in 2008.
They are backed by business people and elites who were none too happy with the previous prime minister Thaksin's rapid rise to wealth and fame.

Note the yellow's have recently tried to ditch their yellow shirts and appear 'multi-colored', in a similar fashion to the red's,
in a bid to appear as if they represent 'all Thais'.
Thus the colors lines are becoming blurred, visibly at least, as each side tried to appear as the voice of the majority.
 

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Many thousands of 'red shirt' protesters have created an enormous bunker zone in the commercial center of Bangkok.

This bunker zone is compete with multiple tire walls reinforced with wooden stakes and lines of red shirt 'guards.'
Inside is an encampment sustained by all kinds of daily amenities maintained by red shirt organizers.
Protesters never have to leave the site, and as a whole have already been there for weeks.

The graphic below, from the BBC, gives a sense of how large the bunkered zone is. Note the scale on the graphic.
The longest red zone is about 3 kilometers long. Each main entry point has barricades and red shirt-manned checkpoints.

Despite looking rather crude in photos, this is actually a highly sophisticated operation, with substantial logistics in place,
in-house television broadcast capabilities, and even security features such as red-shirt monitored surveillance cameras.



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Government sources might say the crowd is only a few thousand, while sources within the zone might say it is many tens of thousands.
Perhaps at times it has hit 100,000 or more, since the crowd is reported to swell at certain times of night as more supporters stream in.

There are also countless more red-shirt supporters all over the country, who have recently shown their strength
by blocking military and police convoys bound for Bangkok.

Both sides are inevitably distorting the true number of red shirts in Bangkok right now, but the red shirts are undoubtedly a massive group.

If one includes their silent supporters they could easily represent the largest political constituency in Thailand
since the red shirt-backed Peu Thai party has won the most votes of any party in every elections going back to Thaksin.
Yellow shirts have been able to turn out in very large numbers as well, though it seems that the reds are ultimately a larger group.
 

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Fun and games... sort of.
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One of the peculiar aspects of Thailand's political turmoil is the way that its political protests maintain a positive, carnival-like atmosphere.
Key leaders sing songs to dancing crowds and perform the equivalent of stand-up comic routines
before delivering vitriolic attacks against their opposition.
Bands are invited to play and it is usually a big party.

Many foreigners speak very positively about their times with the red shirts, for example, saying how friendly, caring, and festive everyone is.


This is true for vast majority of the time. Unfortunately, both sides, red and yellow,
have a thuggish minority who has engaged in extreme forms of violence. There have been clashes between rival supporters
as well as mysterious bomb attacks some even blame on a 'third hand' hidden group trying to foment instability.
 

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We want more than democracy now !!!
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While the red shirts may have begun as a group simply backing the previous ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra
and wanting his return, one shouldn't be so quick as to write off the current conflict as simply a battle between business interests. The red shirt movement as of late has grown into something far larger.

Its rallying call has moved away from simply Thaksin Shinawatra's past leadership
and has tapped a longstanding sense of injustice felt by Thailand's lower class citizens, especially after the 2006 coup
and successive post-coup elections rendered their votes meaningless.

Thus the pro-Thaksin supporters have expanded their mandate into a broader push for democracy, and are now
simply asking for fresh elections, and by doing so, have been joined by pro-democracy advocates and simply disenfranchised Thais as well.
 

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Phrai VS Amartaya (ไพร่ ต่อสู้ อำมาตย์)
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The most visible proof of this evolution has been the way red shirts have rallied around the Thai term 'Phrai',
which means 'commoner' or even 'serf', and against the 'Ammat' (Amartaya), which means 'elite'.


In a brilliant subversion of a word that these days has insulting connotations, red shirts now call themselves “phrai”, literally, “commoner”,
much as marginalised American blacks pushed back by co-opting the insult “nigger”.
But Thailand no longer has the great, deferential, unwashed mass on whom the old political system rested.
As one commentator puts it, a typical red-shirt villager probably has a secondary education, a pick-up truck
and a healthy scepticism of Bangkok officials.
Mr Thaksin’s policies of universal health care, microcredit and so on, contributed to the change.
But the red-shirt movement, for all that it remains inchoate, has outgrown Mr Thaksin.

This has turned into a revolution of rising expectations.
And the chief expectation, as Federico Ferrara, an expert on Thailand, puts it,
is to put the aristocracy back into the more ceremonial role it once occupied.
 

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Media censorship and the military back story,
But hey...We can Tweets...You Twat(yellow fascists)
Internet is the great equaliser here...
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So, at the risk of over-simplifying things, it's now a conflict between the red shirts asking for an election
and the pro-government yellow shirts trying to block fresh elections due to concerns that the current political party can't win an election.
Yet neither side is squeaky clean, both have a minority which has resorted to violence,
and both are backed by a nebulous alliance of business, military, and political interests....

The media has also progressively been censored over the last few years since the 2006 coup, most recently in an extreme fashion whereby the views of the current protesters, the 'red shirts' are now almost exclusively distributed through rebellious methods.

The internet has been a substantial challenge for the government as the red shirts are well organized online
with multiple redundant video channel sites the government censors can't keep up with, twitter feeds, and even their own UDD media team. Speeches from their central Bangkok protest zone are broadcast with the video-editing quality of a well-funded television show.

They appear far more tech-savvy than their pro-government competitors, perhaps because they must be due to massive Thai government censorship of most positive views towards their movement.
 

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Rifts within the military aka Watermelon Army (green outside/red inside)
Rifts between Queen's proteges and the rest of the rank and file.
Sanctioned Generals and the Queen's ToyBoys Colonels being picked one-by-one by whodunit.
Level the playing field now for the power brokers, ToyBoys Vs Unsanctioned Officers corps.
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Here's where things start to become particularly convoluted. The conflict isn't simply about people vs. the military, but also involves a back-door power struggle between military leaders.

For example, the current government has said that it would consider elections in one year, which might sound reasonable from afar. Yet within the context of Thailand's military politics it is unacceptable to the red shirt protesters due to the fact that in September of this year, if the current government stays in power, a perceived hard-line Thai general, Prayuth Ocha, could take the top slot from the more moderate current military leader Anupong Paochinda.

Red shirts worry that Prayuth would be more willing to use force against protesters in the future, while Anupong has tried to avoid a large violent crackdown on the main protest site so far. Prayuth would also be a long-term problem for the ousted Thaksin to deal with. Yet Anupong has to keep Prayuth happy to some extent despite being his superior, since he'll require protection once forced to retire in September...
 
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Former Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra poses for a photograph in this picture taken in Moscow April 27, 2010 and obtained from his Facebook page with permission and confirmation from his aide in Thailand​
 
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