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Anti-government 'Red Shirt' protesters line up to get free breakfasts being distributed from pick-ups in their camp set up in the central quarter of Silom in downtown Bangkok on April 24, 2010. Thailand's army and anti-government protesters made tentative peace overtures on April 23, 2010 seeking to avoid a looming crackdown and a repeat of clashes that left 25 people dead earlier this month.


 

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Thai army soldiers rest on a pavement in the Silom business district, close to where anti-government 'red shirt' protesters have barricaded themselves, in Bangkok April 24, 2010. Protesters and the Thai government stepped back from the brink of all-out armed conflict on Friday as both sides offered hints of compromise a day after deadly grenade attacks hit Bangkok's business district.​
 

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Abhisit is waiting to be ousted. He has lost the the moral high ground when he unleashed the army onto the protestors. It was sheer disipline of the Reds' leaderships that more lives were not lost. Abhisit failed to realise that the anti-govt forces are here to stay and more reinforcements from the heartland are possible. Recruitment drives upcountry are ever present and though poor farmers, donations are given wholeheartedly as a merit to oust the tyranny.

People are more informed than ever and what those diatribes printed by govt's media are dismissed outright as lies and more lies.

The generals are pondering; who wants to do the dirty job and faces possible exile even if any coups are successful. This should be the last coup for the king, consented or not, it is heading that way....

ByeBye Abhisit...
 

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Abhisit vs Abhisit

Fri, 23/04/2010 - 15:30

Matichon Weekly has in its latest edition, 23 April 2010, an article entitled ‘Suppose PM Abhisit Vejjajiva today faced an Opposition Leader named Abhisit Vejjajiva’. Since Abhisit became Prime Minister and has had to deal with the red shirts, what has most undermined his credibility are his own words and principles when he was Opposition Leader, the article says.

On 31 August 2008, Abhisit spoke in Parliament to then Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej who was under attack by the yellow-shirt People’s Alliance for Democracy, asking him to dissolve the House.

‘For the people, just one person or a hundred thousand, to come out to make demands of the government is not against the principles of democracy, especially when there are suspicions that the administration of the country has violated the law and the rights of the people, or is corrupt. In developed countries, these issues do not need to be dealt with by the law, but by a political sense of responsibility.



‘In Korea, when [the government] recently came up with a free trade policy to import beef, hundreds of thousands of people rose up. The government resigned. It has to be admitted that the PAD protests result from frustration which the people have long been harbouring.

‘Even if [the government] deals with [the protesters] once and for all, it will never be able to destroy the concept of resistance.’

‘Today, I have to say what displeases the ears of members of my party and other MPs, who always dislike the idea of a House dissolution. But a House dissolution is part of the show of spirit. If the PM does not want to take responsibility alone, the whole Parliament will take the pain together’.

Today, Abhisit has insisted that a House dissolution is not the solution.



Channel 11 under the Abhisit administration has been heavily criticized. Since the 10 April clashes, in particular, it has come under fire for having aired views and information only from the government side.

When he was Opposition Leader, Abhisit wrote on a book entitled ‘Hundred Dreams under a New Sky’ about reforming Channel 11 to be a public television station.

‘The Channel 11 television station is regarded by many people as just a government mouthpiece for all time. I used to be a co-host for the Mong Tang Mum programme [literally meaning ‘Looking from Different Corners’, a popular TV political talk show , in 1991-1992 hosted by Jermsak Pinthong, now a hardcore yellow shirt – Prachatai] which was aired by Channel 11 when it was free to produce shows that promote free thinking.

‘I think Channel 11 in the past used to produce programmes which had substance and quality, and it was open, bringing people with views that differed from each other or from the government to sit at the same table and talk for the people to listen.

‘It shows that despite being a station under state control, it can do the job of quality media, if ‘the powers that be’ have the will and a respect for the media.

‘I think since Channel 11 is under state control and belongs to the state, it is, therefore, up to the policy of the state.

‘What is important is that the government must realize that the ‘state’ is not the ‘government’, and has to make clear that Channel 11 belongs to the state, not the government.’

Under his own administration, Channel 11 belongs to the ‘government’, not the ‘state’, the Matichon Weekly article says.



On 7 Oct 2008, then Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat ordered a crackdown on the PAD protests in front of Parliament House, resulting in two deaths and over 400 injuries. Abhisit held a press conference after a meeting of his party.

‘For all that has happened, the PM cannot deny his responsibility, either by negligence or intention.

‘What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people.

‘I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable.

‘I have heard those in the government always asking people whether they are Thai or not. Considering what you are doing now, it is not the question of being Thai or not, but whether you are human at all.

‘Today, [the government] has lost legitimacy. We are demanding that the PM take responsibility. [The PM] can resign, or if he is afraid that by his resignation, the Democrat Party will take power, he can dissolve the House. He cannot just do nothing, because if he does nothing, it would be tantamount to damaging the country and the political system.

‘There is nowhere else on earth, in democratic systems, where the people are abused by the state, but the government which comes from the people does not take responsibility.

‘For what we have said today, the government must not make the accusation that it is because we agree with all points of the PAD. Even if the PAD has done wrong, the government has no right to hurt the people.’

When reporters asked why Somchai still stayed on despite such a crisis, Abhisit said, ‘I have no idea. I have never seen a person like this. If he were a normal human of the kind that I know, it would not have been like this.’



Abhisit was sharp and was a man of principle when he was the Opposition Leader, but when he became Prime Minister, his words in the past do not correspond to his actions today. The article ends by asking whether he never believed in what he had to say, or whether he just says what he never believes.



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Matichon Weekly, 23 April 2010
 

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Thai rivals mull compromise offer to end political crisis

BANGKOK - Thailand's red-shirted protesters and the embattled government on Saturday deliberated over the first steps towards a peaceful solution to their long-running deadlock.

The world community has urged both sides on Thailand's political divide to find a compromise, after two bouts of clashes this month have left 26 dead and hundreds injured including demonstrators and security forces.

As fears grew of a crackdown to close down a vast "Red Shirts" encampment in the heart of Bangkok, and end weeks of crippling street rallies, the army chief said Friday that the use of force was no solution to the crisis.

"The best thing is to create understanding among the people. The army's job now is to take care of the people, and not allow Thais to attack each other," General Anupong Paojinda told a meeting of military top brass.

The Reds, who had been seeking snap elections to replace a government they condemn as illegitimate, shortly after softened their demands and said they would accept a dissolution of parliament in 30 days.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, who came to power in a 2008 parliamentary vote after a court removed allies of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra who was ousted in a coup, was noncommittal on the Reds' offer.

"I am determined to solve the problem," he told reporters late Friday, adding that a political solution could not be reached amid threats and intimidation.

Abhisit, who has been holed up in a military barracks since last month because of the protests, added: "I have a duty to solve the problem. If I can't I should not be here."

Red Shirt leaders on Saturday calmed their supporters, some of whom were angry over the concessions.

"The new proposal does not mean we are retreating, in political terms we are on the offensive because otherwise the international community will put pressure on us," Jaran Ditsatapichai said.

"If we shut down the door for negotiation it will be bad for us," he said, adding that foreign diplomats who met with the Reds on Friday had urged them to find a solution to avoid a looming crackdown.

Jaran said the military was reluctant to disperse the rally -- a manoeuvre that would likely cause huge casualties -- and that a crackdown would be shelved during the current negotiating phase.

Other Reds leaders were irritated over Abhisit's response to their proposal, and said they would continue calling in supporters from their stronghold in the country's impoverished and rural north.

"Don't insult our Red Shirts' olive branch, we offered a compromise to avoid further loss of people's lives," Kwanchai Praipana said at the protest camp that has paralysed Thailand's main retail district for three weeks.

"We can fight for one more year, don't underestimate us, we will have more people willing to come and join us at this rally site," he said.

Abhisit condemned fresh violence on Thursday that saw a series of grenade blasts tear through a pro-government rally, saying the attacks, which left one dead and scores injured, "aimed to kill ordinary people".

Tensions have been high since April 10 clashes, sparked by a failed attempt to dislodge protesters from their original rally base in Bangkok's historic district, which triggered clashes that killed 25 and injured 800.

The deepening crisis, and earlier warnings from the army that protesters could face live weapons fire in any new clashes, triggered alarm at the United Nations and among foreign governments.

Many nations have issued urgent calls for restraint and warned their citizens to stay away from the protests or avoid Bangkok altogether.

Thai police sought Friday to push the Red Shirts from a confrontation zone on the edge of the financial district where they have clashed with hardline pro-government mobs.

The Reds stepped back but kept in place a fortified barricade made of truck tyres, sharpened bamboo staves and plastic sheeting doused with fuel, which forms the front line of their vast encampment.

The Reds, drawn from the ranks of the rural poor as well as the urban working class, mostly support Thaksin who now lives overseas to avoid a jail sentence for corruption.

- AFP/ir
 

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no kidding, the multi color supporters, ex yellow, including their supporter tonychat, harm their own so to get the excuse for the army and police to kill the reds.

they are so evil. i hope thaksin come back and run the country. PAP and thaksin can allies to squeeze malaysia.
 

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Democracy really can be bought- whether you are an elite or a peasant.

thailand's problems do not stem from democracy but from lawlessness.

you can have the right to peaceful protest but that doesn't mean you can form 100k people to clog up businessness, roads, commit assaults, criminal intimidation, break into buildings, hold people hostage, use violence etc.

thailand is a poor country and many people have countrified roots.

if i was abihsit, i would order helicopters in to throw tear and smoke bombs non stop. and taser everyone of them and lock them up. then prosecute the leaders for institigating violence, obstruction traffic etc.

i would even order the soldiers protecting govt houses to shoot. draw three lines and place signboards warning that if you cross these lines, the soldiers will shoot you. give them machine guns, tasers, smoke and tear gases. you simply cannot barge into govt buildings, loot and plunder at will.
 

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thailand's problems do not stem from democracy but from lawlessness.

thailand have no democracy.

i am afraid, if they understand it, they will vote for next election rather than holding protests.

like talk about who start the fight.

when you are in army, the co sure ask who threw the first punch.

the multi color aka yellow group with their supporter tonychat started the anti democracy action in thailand.

let thaksin win power back and kick tonychat back to singapore.
 

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thailand have no democracy.

i am afraid, if they understand it, they will vote for next election rather than holding protests.

like talk about who start the fight.

when you are in army, the co sure ask who threw the first punch.

the multi color aka yellow group with their supporter tonychat started the anti democracy action in thailand.

let thaksin win power back and kick tonychat back to singapore.

do you speak english?:confused:

thailand has no democracy.

i am afraid, if they understand it, they will vote for next election rather than holding protests. ->???

like talk about who start the fight. ->???

when you are in army, the co sure ask who threw the first punch. ->???

the multi color aka yellow group with their supporter tonychat started the anti democracy action in thailand.->???

let thaksin win power back and kick tonychat back to singapore. ->???
 

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Perhaps it is time to consider a nonpartisan style of democracy?
 

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Civil war about to start.....

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BANGKOK (AFP) -- Thailand's anti-government "Red Shirts" said Saturday they were braced for a crackdown to end their protest movement, after the prime minister rejected an offer to compromise on demands for snap polls.

"Abhisit has ordered a crackdown on protesters within 48 hours, that is the information I have learned," said Reds leader Nattawut Saikuar.

Nattawut did not say where the information came from but other Reds leaders said earlier Saturday they had learned from sympathisers in the army that troops were being mobilised despite ongoing negotiations.

Nattawut said the Reds would strip off the symbols of their allegiance -- the red T-shirts and other garb they have sported for weeks -- to help them fight back against the government.

"Abhisit has shut the door on all Thai people by rejecting our compromise," he said. "He will do anything to keep his position as prime minister."

He said they would stick to a policy of non-violence, but other Reds figures speaking on a stage at their massive encampment in the heart of Bangkok's retail district promised a "guerrilla war" against the government.

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This week one thousand Reds in the northern province of Khon Kaen blocked a military train loaded with armed soldiers and heavy equipment, and forced the army to give assurances it was not headed for Bangkok.

"I ask all of our Red Shirts people across the country to be alert to troop movement, and if we detect irregular movements we must stop them, like we did in Khon Kaen," he said.
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Perhaps it is time to consider a nonpartisan style of democracy?

It was always nonpartisan for them the commoners.

Non participation for the commoners if the ruling elites could have their ways.

This is a time bomb ticking and and a very short fused one.

The commoners tasted victory and won't let that momentum dissipate until they get what they are after, which is good governance with a coherent policy instead of all these delaying tactics in clinging on to power.

Thaksin is already out of equation and the reds seemed to have a life of its own now. Looks like a civil war is looming and no one is big enough to roll that threat over.


Nobody is giving an inch leeway and the army conscripts are not trusted by the generals to carry out orders and a lot of those retired generals still yielding a disproportionate power of patronage over the reigning generals.

The police is caught in the crisis and a lot of them are supposed to be red at heart and the rivalry with the army is not healthy.

The King is the only possible salvation through this mess but isn't he the main culprit in this class war, his selfsufficiency policy that tied the Thais commoners to generational poverty without recourse until Thaksin came along and brought them hope but his removal was seen by many as the handiwork of His Majesty and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. People started questioning the motives of the kingly gesture, why was the king against the new prosperity brought on by Thaksinomics ?
 

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Re: BANGKOK: More than 100K at 9pm. Many More Coming. JAMS 50km Long. ArbiSHIT SHITTI

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A foreign tourist poses in front of Thai soldiers as they stand in position in the red-light quarter of Patpong located near to the anti-government Red-Shirt protester camp in Bangkok on April 24, 2010.

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A Thai soldier keeps guard during a pro-government rally in support of the government's rejection of not agreeing to the anti-government 'Red Shirt' protesters request of dissolving parliament on April 24, 2010 in Bangkok Thailand.

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A young boy looks up at Thai soldiers guarding the front of a shop near to the anti-government Red-Shirt protester camp in the central quarter of Silom in Bangkok on April 24, 2010​
 

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Re: BANGKOK: More than 100K at 9pm. Many More Coming. JAMS 50km Long. ArbiSHIT SHITTI

It was always nonpartisan for them the commoners.

Non participation for the commoners if the ruling elites could have their ways.

This is a time bomb ticking and and a very short fused one.

The commoners tasted victory and won't let that momentum dissipate until they get what they are after, which is good governance with a coherent policy instead of all these delaying tactics in clinging on to power.

Thaksin is already out of equation and the reds seemed to have a life of its own now. Looks like a civil war is looming and no one is big enough to roll that threat over.


Nobody is giving an inch leeway and the army conscripts are not trusted by the generals to carry out orders and a lot of those retired generals still yielding a disproportionate power of patronage over the reigning generals.

The police is caught in the crisis and a lot of them are supposed to be red at heart and the rivalry with the army is not healthy.

The King is the only possible salvation through this mess but isn't he the main culprit in this class war, his selfsufficiency policy that tied the Thais commoners to generational poverty without recourse until Thaksin came along and brought them hope but his removal was seen by many as the handiwork of His Majesty and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. People started questioning the motives of the kingly gesture, why was the king against the new prosperity brought on by Thaksinomics ?

Refreshing viewpoint there... I'm sick of all the farangs who just want the reds to be steamrolled over...

It's not easy to be in Anupong or Abhisit's position, they are calling the shots at a major juncture of Thailand's history.

Partisan democracies worldwide seem to end up with colours fighting one another, can nonpartisan democracy improve things?
 
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