Archbishop tells Catholics to vote Oppos

[glockman]

I was a Catholic before until a priest said something ... but because I have asked God a question in faith, He led me to a true church. Many fake churches do not understand and some even deny the Holy Spirit thing ... I have received it and I know what that is.

Thanks for sharing bro. I am very glad you have found the church for you But lets keep this discussion within the context of Nicky Chia's letter.

 

[glockman]

From your experience, what are some of these fake churches? PM me if you do not feel comfortable posting it in public.

Am just curious, that all...

Hey sister Sense, why you so key poh one? Part of your pap IB job scope izzit?

 

[catholicboy]

hi makappa?

there's no indication that the bishop nicholas chia ask the catholics here to vote for oppie...please .. for goodness sake!. I'm a catholic and i know that.. Pls don't stir up things .. What he says is that party you vote must have catholic values and ethos.. in other words.. no support of abortion.. etc..

I know LBH attend mass at my parish of SVDP. he's a quiet man.. no airs. pretty religious. just attend mass like the rest of us..
FYI, Sylvia lIm (WP), teo ser luck (PAP), cynthia phua (PAP), Jessica tan (PAP), James gomez (SDP) are among some of the catholic politicians.

 

[kukubird58]

hahaha...letter dated May 08, 2011.
are they using different calendar?

 

[Forvendet]

hahaha...letter dated May 08, 2011.
are they using different calendar?

Catholic church use Gregorian calendar.
They use Kelongian calendar.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

r u sure yong was really brave afterall?...

Yes I agree bro. Which is why I was surprised, recalling that incident at St Vincent De Paul church. Maybe Nicholas Chia feels he should do something right once in his life, following in the foot steps of his brave and respected predecessor Gregory Yong.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

RC now also has a papal nuncio based in s'pore...unlike the situation in 86'...

Please lah, even Dhanabalan knew there was no Marxist conspiracy. That was 30 years ago, Old Goat paranoid like fuck back than. Today with the internet and websites like this, the topics discussed at the meetings of the so-called marxist conspirators are mild. Even Soh is running around telling everyone they were coerced into confession. Today, Old Goat will not dare to pull the same shit on the catholic church....On the contrary, I think this is the exact time the church should push the limits of its power. Its no secret that the govt. policy has hurt many ordinary people. The church being at the font line of adminstering spiritual and material aid to these disadvantaged people can see it. Its nothing wrong at all to speak up for them. Who else will? Their PAP MPs?

 

[LeMans2011]

ah... so this is a hoax afterall...

 

[glockman]

r u sure yong was really brave afterall?...

he was dealt with personally by LKY. He had it bad and but he remained dignified and respectable.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Yong may hv been intellectual...but fm what i observed he was unfortunately too weak n not a v gd leader as well...both Yong n Ee Peng Liang had their balls squeezed by harry n they just gave in...throwing teoh n the other do gooders to the wolves...another eg. of Yong's lack of gd leadership is the case of father kang...Yong appeared to hv allowed parish priests to create fiefdoms of their own by allowing them to remain in charge of their parishes for many yrs...

thus far i wld say Chia seems to be doing a better job than Yong notwithstanding his apparent lack of intellect...

Gregory Yong was a scholar (Doctorate in Canon Law), well read, articulate and self assured. LKY gave him a tough time during the marxist conspiracy. He was a fantastic man caught in a very difficult situation. But he was loved and respected by Catholics

As for Nicholas Chia, I met with him a few years ago to discuss Catholic dogma. He could not even stand his ground, tried to brainwash me further with the Catechism which to me was counter-productive. Later I found out he was only schooled until Secondary school. But I respect him for releasing this pastoral letter, shows his deepening intellect.

 

[glockman]

Yong may hv been intellectual...but fm what i observed he was unfortunately too weak n not a v gd leader as well...both Yong n Ee Peng Liang had their balls squeezed by harry n they just gave in...throwing teoh n the other do gooders to the wolves...another eg. of Yong's lack of gd leadership is the case of father kang...Yong appeared to hv allowed parish priests to create fiefdoms of their own by allowing them to remain in charge of their parishes for many yrs...

thus far i wld say Chia seems to be doing a better job than Yong notwithstanding his apparent lack of intellect...

OK, I see your point. Its probably because of the marxist episode and Kang's fiasco that the Catholic church started to be better managed. Hence Nicky Chia has an easier job.

 

[Papsmearer]

hi makappa?

there's no indication that the bishop nicholas chia ask the catholics here to vote for oppie...please .. for goodness sake!. I'm a catholic and i know that.. Pls don't stir up things .. What he says is that party you vote must have catholic values and ethos.. in other words.. no support of abortion.. etc..

I know LBH attend mass at my parish of SVDP. he's a quiet man.. no airs. pretty religious. just attend mass like the rest of us..
FYI, Sylvia lIm (WP), teo ser luck (PAP), cynthia phua (PAP), Jessica tan (PAP), James gomez (SDP) are among some of the catholic politicians.

I think you need to brush up on your history first before u spew shit from your mouth. I think among the world's political parties, the PAP is and has been one of the biggest supporters of abortions. LKY's stop at 2 policies in the 70s encourage and paid for many abortions. Many women were intimidated into abortions and sterilization. Even today, u will still see that. There is no advocate for a women to present another viewpoint to keep the foetus. Literally, the PAP policies have been responsible for tens of thousands of abortions. Not to mention the PAP's arrest of catholics, etc in the 80s. If you are saying Chia is asking catholics not to vote for a party that supports abortion, than he is asking catholics not to vote for the PAP. Hence the topic of this thread.

 

[Papsmearer]

Yes I agree bro. Which is why I was surprised, recalling that incident at St Vincent De Paul church. Maybe Nicholas Chia feels he should do something right once in his life, following in the foot steps of his brave and respected predecessor Gregory Yong.

Gregory Yong respected by who? Gregory yong was a coward, and totally unfit for his role. If he got reincarnated in front of me, I tell him to go to hell.

 

[Conqueror]

Gregory Yong respected by who? Gregory yong was a coward, and totally unfit for his role. If he got reincarnated in front of me, I tell him to go to hell.

Yah, I had heard something like Singapore Poly was raid. Not sure whether there was an arrest there on that particular day.

 

[Conqueror]

From your experience, what are some of these fake churches? PM me if you do not feel comfortable posting it in public.

Am just curious, that all...

I will NOT say which is and which is not because there are just too many such organisations coming in and out of the register book, therefore nobody knows. But, the rule of thumb is that the part on the Holy Spirit MUST be recognised. The evidence of speaking in foreign tongues should also be recognised. Many will give excuses and 'taichi' it away as :

1. No more in fashion. How can this be when all 153 saints received it ?
2. There are distinction between Spiritual and non-spiritual churches. How can this be ! Refer to 1.
3. Mark 16 can be REMOVED out the bible when you hate it ? That's the evidence and traits of the Holy Spirit
4. Some of them are 'talented' or 'elite enough' to receive it - not compulsory ! Refer to 1. All of them received it !
5. Baptism no more in fashion. Worst !

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

 

[sense]

I will NOT say which is and which is not because there are just too many such organisations coming in and out of the register book, therefore nobody knows. But, the rule of thumb is that the part on the Holy Spirit MUST be recognised. The evidence of speaking in foreign tongues should also be recognised. Many will give excuses and 'taichi' it away as :

1. No more in fashion. How can this be when all 153 saints received it ?
2. There are distinction between Spiritual and non-spiritual churches. How can this be ! Refer to 1.
3. Mark 16 can be REMOVED out the bible when you hate it ? That's the evidence and traits of the Holy Spirit
4. Some of them are 'talented' or 'elite enough' to receive it - not compulsory ! Refer to 1. All of them received it !
5. Baptism no more in fashion. Worst !

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Thanks, that's enough for me...

 

[cheekenpie]

So what was said about AWARE dont count anymore?

Church leaders handled Aware saga responsibly
By Zakir Hussain

PRIME Minister Lee Hsien Loong has said he is grateful for the responsible stand taken by church leaders concerning the leadership tussle at the women's advocacy group, the Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware), earlier this year.

During the episode, the National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) issued a statement to say it did not support churches getting involved in the matter, and that the pulpit should not be used to push such causes.

Catholic Archbishop Nicholas Chia also issued a statement to say he had communicated to priests that nothing should be said about Aware, and that secular organisations should remain secular.

'Had these statements not been made, we would have had a very serious problem,' Mr Lee said yesterday, in his first public comment on the episode.

The saga took a religious turn in April when it emerged that six new committee members behind the leadership takeover attended the same church and were driven by what they saw as Aware's promotion of homosexuality, including in its sexuality education programmes in schools.

In a Sunday sermon, the church's pastor reportedly urged the women in his flock to 'be engaged' and support the new Aware leaders.

PM Lee said the Government was not concerned who controlled Aware, 'because it's just one of so many non-governmental organisations (NGOs)' here. Neither was each side's views about homosexuality or sex education the issue.

'What worried us was that this was an attempt by a religiously motivated group, who shared a strong religious fervour, to enter civil space, take over an NGO it disapproved of, and impose its agenda,' he said.

'And it was bound to provoke a push back from groups who held the opposite view, which happened vociferously and stridently, as a fierce battle.'

Mr Lee also said media coverage at times got caught up in the drama, amplifying the strong opposing views.

'People talk about mature civil society. This was hardly the way to conduct a mature discussion of a sensitive matter where views are deeply divided,' he added.

'But most critically, this risked a broader spillover into relations between different religions.

'Many Singaporeans were worried about this, including many Christians.

'They may not have spoken out aloud, but they raised one eyebrow and they kept their thoughts to themselves.'

The PM also disclosed that while the Government stayed out of the tussle, he himself had spoken to religious leaders after the dust had settled.

He met Christian leaders as a group first, then with leaders of various religions together, 'so that everybody understood where we stood and what our concerns were, so that we can continue to work together to strengthen our racial and religious harmony'.

 

[glockman]

Gregory Yong respected by who? Gregory yong was a coward, and totally unfit for his role. If he got reincarnated in front of me, I tell him to go to hell.

You have judged him too harshly. Torn between choices, he chose the lesser of two evils. What and who can remain standing in the path of a raging steamroller? Still, you are fully entitled to your opinion. Its all history now anyway.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Shit what was the Archbishop thinking of? He wants ISD to send their people to attend mass?

More likely info came from someone already attending these masses, eh?

 

[kulgai]

More likely info came from someone already attending these masses, eh?

Intelligence personnel have always been and still are attending catholic masses and I'm sure all other religious organisations's services as well. I remember Father Adrian Anthony used to speak out against some PAP discriminatory policies years back and was chided/warned by the the then Home minister Jayakumar. Go figure.