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Airbus A320 faults exposed by Hudson Landing

HongKanSeng

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#1, Both engines fell off from their wings.

#2, most dangerously the 2 Aft (tail) doors failed to open for emergency escape

#3, related to above, the 2 Aft life-rafts failed to deploy into water for passengers

#4, related to above, the fuselage leaks and sank very quickly

There was no drowned to deaths in flight 1549 only because Hudson River was so busy, and boats arrived within minutes to rescue passengers out of water. Otherwise when the Airbus A320 sank they and without 2 of the supposedly 4 life-rafts, at least half the passengers will drown in ice cold winter water.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/documents/Airbus_Technical_Data/ARFC/ARFC_A320.pdf

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sunny302

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Perhaps we should wait for the official report before we jump the gun to conclude on the cause of the accident to be due to design defect and or deficiency :wink:

Goot to see what they can find "stuck" in between the engine blades..."minced geese meat" :eek: :biggrin:
 

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2 air ladder/slope fail to deploy never surprise me. I don't think and most of the airline not going to test it every year just like the car airbag even after 10 year the car is going to be scrap also have no change to deploy or never top up the gas also.
Engine drop off most probably is because of the impact crash to the water.
The aircraft is going to sink in less than 5 min lucky there are many ferry coming to the recues. All will die less than 30 min because of the cold.
 

HongKanSeng

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Perhaps we should wait for the official report before we jump the gun to conclude on the cause of the accident to be due to design defect and or deficiency :wink:

Goot to see what they can find "stuck" in between the engine blades..."minced geese meat" :eek: :biggrin:

Don't believe anything OFFICIAL.

In the 1st place I was talking about Consequences and not Cause.

As as consequence of the water landing the passengers needed the life-rafts to survive. But at least 2 of them can not open up. This is very serious. There is insufficient capacity on the remaining rafts to safe all the passengers.

Life jackets are not good enough. Because in life jacket you may float but you are just floating as a frozen corpse in the Hudson River.

2 Aft exit doors can not be opened is no joke, because the A320 sank very fast. if passengers can not get out, then they turn into corpses very fast.
 

HongKanSeng

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What the hell are u talking about. Which Airbus incident is this.

Talking about US Airways flight in New York which landed in the river.

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Look at this picture! There is no more engine left below this wing! See the Aft (back) door still closed!

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There is one engine left on this side! See the Aft (back) door also still closed!

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So called Black Box is really Orange color.

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So many tons of scrap metal, Karangunee very happy?

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HongKanSeng

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Earlier reports that divers were searching in cold river for 2 missing engines is proven to be wrong. Only the left engine is fallen off the wing. The right engine still there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_re_us/plane_splashdown_27


Left engine missing from jet ditched in Hudson



NEW YORK – Federal investigators said the left engine of the US Airways jetliner that ditched into the Hudson River was missing Friday as reports emerged that the pilot who safely landed the aircraft had considered an emergency landing at two airports. Police divers were using sonar to find the engine, which was believed to be in the water.

"Once we get the flight data recorder it will give us the radar so we can figure out where the engine separated from the plane," said NTSB spokesman Peter Knudson.

As investigators scoured the wreckage of the Airbus A320, many of the 155 people aboard recounted survivor stories and hailed the pilot as a hero who delivered them from certain death.

The pilot, Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III, was in good spirits and showing no outward signs of stress from the ordeal, a pilots union official said.

His wife, in an interview outside their California home, called him "a pilot's pilot" and said talk of him being a national hero was "a little weird."

A person briefed on Sullenberger's radio communications said the pilot considered emergency landings at two airports after his plane suffered a double bird strike, but twice told air controllers he was unable to make them. He told controllers he planned to go into the river, instead. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Air traffic controllers first gave Sullenberger directions to return to New York City's LaGuardia Airport, but he replied, "unable." Then he saw the Teterboro airstrip in the northern New Jersey suburbs, got clearance to go there, but then again responded, "unable." He then said he was going into the river.

It was not immediately clear when the engine broke off, but such scenarios can happen in bird strikes.

If the engine takes in a very large bird — or several birds at once — they could break several fan blades, causing an imbalance in the engine's rotation and severe vibrations, said Kevin Poormon, who tests the ability of aircraft engines to withstand bird strikes.

If the engine doesn't shut down right away, those vibrations conceivably could be strong to cause the engine to come loose from its mounting, Poormon said.

In a photograph of the plane as it approached the river, it appeared to have both engines.

Passengers were effusive in their praise for how Sullenberger, co-pilot Jeff Skiles and crew handled the landing and evacuation.

Mark P. Hood, of Charlotte, N.C., said he felt a jolt ripple through the jet as though a baseball bat hit the engine close to the George Washington Bridge.

"I think everyone was holding their breath, making their peace, saying their prayers," Hood said Friday.

Passenger Billy Campbell said he approached Sullenberger while they were standing on a rescue raft in the frigid cold.

"I leaned over and grabbed his arm, and I said I just want to thank you on behalf of all of us," Campbell told NBC's "Today" show. "He just said, 'You're welcome.'"'

National Transportation Safety Board investigators were focussed on recovering the plane's black box and interviewing the crew about the accident.

The aircraft, built in 1999, was tethered to a pier on the tip of lower Manhattan on Friday — about four miles from where it touched down. Only a gray wing tip could be seen jutting out of the water.

Crews of NYPD divers went underwater Friday to inspect the belly of the plane to make sure it was stable enough to lift and secure a bed of ropes underneath it.

Police and emergency crews also pulled about 15 pieces of carry-on luggage, the door of the plane, sheared pieces of metal and flotation devices from the water.

Arnold Witte, president of the Donjon Marine salvage company, said it was unclear whether the plane would be pulled out in one or several segments, or whether it could be raised on Friday.

"We want to get the plane recovered as soon as possible but we want to do it a safe way," NTSB spokeswoman Kitty Higgins said.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown said there was no immediate indication the incident was "anything other than an accident."

The plane, bound for Charlotte, N.C., took off from LaGuardia Airport at 3:26 p.m. Less than a minute later, the pilot reported a "double bird strike" and said he needed to return to LaGuardia, said Doug Church, a spokesman for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.

If the accident was hard to imagine, so was the result: Besides one victim with two broken legs, there were no other reports of serious injuries to the 155 people aboard.

Passengers quickly realized something was terrifyingly wrong.

"I heard an explosion, and I saw flames coming from the left wing, and I thought, `This isn't good,'" said Dave Sanderson, 47, who was heading home to Charlotte from a business trip.

Then came an ominous warning from the captain: "Brace for impact because we're going down," said passenger Jeff Kolodjay, 31.

The 150 passengers and five crew members were forced to escape as the plane quickly became submerged up to its windows in 36-degree water. Dozens stood on the aircraft's wings on a 20-degree day, one of the coldest of the winter, as commuter ferries and Coast Guard vessels converged to rescue them.

At a City Hall ceremony Friday to honor those who came to the aid of the stranded passengers, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Sullenberger's actions "inspired people around the city, and millions more around the world."

Bloomberg planned to present the pilot with the key to the city.

Lorrie Sullenberger and her two daughters emerged from her Danville, Calif., home Friday and called her husband "a pilot's pilot who "loves the art of the airplane."

Sullenberger, 57, of Danville, Calif., is a former Air Force fighter pilot who has flown for US Airways for 29 years. He also runs a safety consulting firm.

Lorrie Sullenberger said hearing her husband's story "was really a shock. ... My husband said over the years that it's highly unlikely for any pilot to ever have any incident in his career, let alone something like this."

She called talk of her husband being a national hero "a little weird."

The pilot's sister, Mary Margaret Wilson, said she had a gut feeling her brother was at the controls when she heard a passenger plane safely landed in the Hudson River.

"When I first saw it on TV, they were saying it was an amazing landing, like one in a million. And I thought to myself, 'That's something my brother could do,'" said Wilson, a Dallas resident.

James Ray, a spokesman for the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, said he spoke with Sullenberger on Friday and described him as being "in good shape physically, mentally and in good spirits."

Ray said the flight crew was resting and likely would meet with investigators later Friday or Saturday. He said the crew has been asked not talk to the press about the accident until after the NTSB investigation is complete.

From 1990 to 2007, there were nearly 80,000 reported incidents of birds striking nonmilitary aircraft, about one strike for every 10,000 flights, according to the Federal Aviation Administration and the Department of Agriculture.

Thursday's river landing took place almost exactly 27 years after an Air Florida plane bound for Tampa crashed into the Potomac River just after takeoff from Washington National Airport, killing 78 people. Five people on that flight survived.

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Associated Press writers Joan Lowy, Michael J. Sniffen and Eileen Sullivan in Washington; David B. Caruso, Verena Dobnik, Sara Kugler, Marcus Franklin, Samantha Gross, Deborah Hastings, Colleen Long and Richard Pyle in New York; Emery P. Dalesio in Raleigh; Victor Epstein in Weehawken, N.J.; Sam Hananel in Washington; Jeff Carlton in Dallas; and Harry R. Weber in Atlanta contributed to this report.
 

HongKanSeng

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http://politicom.moldova.org/news/right-engine-still-with-plane-in-hudson-177288-eng.html

Right engine still with plane in Hudson


One engine remains attached to the U.S. Airways jet that crashed in the Hudson River off New York, investigators said Saturday.

Previously, the National Transportation Safety Board had said both engines had come off the Airbus A320. But the agency now says divers had not spotted the right engine sooner because of poor visibility, CNN reported.

The engines are critical to the investigation because their failure forced the pilot to bring the plane down in the water.

Divers said the right engine was still with the plane. The other is believed to be on the bottom of the river.

The NTSB hoped to begin raising the plane Saturday afternoon.

Two transcripts of calls to 911 were released Saturday. In one, a man in Weehawken, N.J., described the plane descending and said it appeared to be on fire.

One of the plane's pilots reported "a double bird strike" shortly after takeoff, and investigators told The New York Times the engines' inner structures should be able to surrender enough DNA information to figure out not only whether it was birds that disabled both engines, but also what species of bird.

Officials planned Saturday to interview Flight 1549's pilot, Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III, and his co-pilot, Jeffrey Skiles. National Transportation Safety Board member Kathryn Higgins told the Times investigators would not attempt to fish out the plane's flight data recorder while the plane was submerged in the Hudson, saying the diving conditions were so bad they would instead wait until the plane was removed from the water.
 

HongKanSeng

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This is the earlier report that wrongly said both engines were detached from wings:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_re_us/plane_splashdown_35

Divers look for both engines of plane in Hudson


NEW YORK – Federal investigators said both engines of the US Airways jetliner that ditched into the Hudson River were missing Friday as reports emerged that the pilot who safely landed the aircraft had considered an emergency landing at two airports. Police divers were using sonar to find the engines. Kitty Higgins of the National Transportation Safety Board said both apparently came off after hitting the water Thursday.

Crews plan to hoist the plane from the water on Saturday before putting it on a barge and removing the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. They had hoped to do so Friday, but bitterly cold weather and strong river currents hampered the efforts, Higgins said.

Higgins suggested that part of the investigation will be to "celebrate what worked here," something of a rarity for an agency that focuses on figuring out what went wrong in a disaster.

"A lot of things went right yesterday, including the way that not only the crew functioned, but the way the plane functioned."

Part of the NTSB's job, she said, will be to look at "everything that made yesterday's accident so survivable."

As investigators scoured the wreckage of the Airbus A320, many of the 155 people aboard recounted survivor stories and hailed the pilot as a hero who delivered them from certain death.

The pilot, Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III, was in good spirits and showing no outward signs of stress from the ordeal, a pilots union official said.

His wife, in an interview outside their California home, called him "a pilot's pilot" and said talk of him being a national hero was "a little weird."

A person briefed on Sullenberger's radio communications said the pilot considered emergency landings at two airports after his plane suffered a double bird strike, but twice told air controllers he was unable to make them. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Air traffic controllers first gave Sullenberger directions to return to New York City's LaGuardia Airport, but he replied, "unable." Then he saw the Teterboro airstrip in the northern New Jersey suburbs, got clearance to go there, but then again responded, "unable." He then said he was going into the river.

It was not immediately clear when the engines broke off, but such scenarios can happen in bird strikes.

If an engine takes in a very large bird — or several birds at once — they could break several fan blades, causing an imbalance in the engine's rotation and severe vibrations, said Kevin Poormon, who tests the ability of aircraft engines to withstand bird strikes.

If the engine doesn't shut down right away, those vibrations conceivably could be strong enough to cause the engine to come loose from its mounting, Poormon said.

In a photograph of the plane as it approached the river, it appeared to have both engines.

Passengers were effusive in their praise for how Sullenberger, co-pilot Jeff Skiles and their crew handled the landing and evacuation.

Mark P. Hood, of Charlotte, N.C., said he felt a jolt ripple through the jet as though a baseball bat hit the engine close to the George Washington Bridge.

"I think everyone was holding their breath, making their peace, saying their prayers," Hood said Friday.

Passenger Billy Campbell said he approached Sullenberger while they were standing on a rescue raft in the frigid cold.


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Did the engine come off before or after impact. It is possible the engine came off under impact when it crash landed in the water. It is a design feature to jettison the engine on huge impact, if I recall correctly. Anyone with SQ Tech Svcs, SIAEC or P&W/GE/RR to verify?
 

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Don't believe anything OFFICIAL.

Would'nt it be better if the whole issue can be trashed out be it design deficiency....humman error....inadequate SOPs etc. after the relevant authorities has done their work. I can understand how one feel in times of this crisis but barking up the wrong tree with nothing concrete IMO does not really serve any purpose nor will it help to diffuse anything. If u do not noe what went wrong, how will one know where to fix :(
 

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Did the engine come off before or after impact. It is possible the engine came off under impact when it crash landed in the water. It is a design feature to jettison the engine on huge impact, if I recall correctly. Anyone with SQ Tech Svcs, SIAEC or P&W/GE/RR to verify?

I highly suspect that the engines were both still with the Airbus plane when it ditched and still there when passengers escaped.

But you know what?

After people got off, the plane was being washed out to the Atlantic Ocean by Hudson River. That will give a big recovery problem firstly. Secondly, as that plane was a big free floating object (may be 200 tons) without any control, it became another hazard by itself in the busy Hudson and then it will fucking be wash out to the NY port.

That is BIG Danger and they don't want the ships to collide with fucking Airbus plane - will be a BIG JOKE HEADLINE if it said ship hit aircraft at sea. KNN! :biggrin:

Then you know what?

I know that NY emergency services used vessels to PUSH the fucking plane towards shore of Hudson where water is less deep. This got the free floating hazard off the busy rivers' shipping routes and got it GROUNDED near the shore at this riverside park. Then the vessels for pushing it stay on stand by there, to make sure the fucking aircraft don't fucking swim away.

Then you know what I think?

I think these subsequent actions caused the fucking engine which is deeply submerged under the wings to get caught in the river m&d, and then the vessels kept PUSHING and PUSHING.

So? FUCKED!

The fucking engine came off the fucking wing!

That is what me thinkssssssss :wink::rolleyes:
 

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Don't believe anything OFFICIAL.

In the 1st place I was talking about Consequences and not Cause.

As as consequence of the water landing the passengers needed the life-rafts to survive. But at least 2 of them can not open up. This is very serious. There is insufficient capacity on the remaining rafts to safe all the passengers.

Life jackets are not good enough. Because in life jacket you may float but you are just floating as a frozen corpse in the Hudson River.

2 Aft exit doors can not be opened is no joke, because the A320 sank very fast. if passengers can not get out, then they turn into corpses very fast.

Are u insane? U know jack shit about aircraft and u are commenting on this like u know something? There are many reasons for the life rafts not deploying. If the rear of the plane was damaged in the landing and deformed the rear part of the fuselage, than it may not deploy. Also, if the rear fuselage is damaged, u will also not be able open the doors. From what I have seen, the pilot brought in the plane at a nose up attitude, hence, the rear fuselage was the first to strike the water and take most of the impact. o In most cases, life rafts are useless,and life jackets are more practical. This is because the plane usually breaks up on impact, and passengers exit thru the gaping holes in the fuselage. In that case, the life jackets are the only thing that u will be able to use.
 

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I am not answering your question, but I have another question.

KNN!

Why is the ORANGE black box soaked in water that is same color as my pee?

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Some one pissed on the ORANGE black box?

Its an old term, it used to be black in colour. The water is the same water that is from the source of the crash, I think
 

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#4, related to above, the fuselage leaks and sank very quickly

U idiot, the plane is made of a few tons of metal, and the doors were opened for the passengers to exit. U mean u don't expect the water to come in and u don't expect the plane to sink? why dun u drive your car into the S'pore river, open alll the windows and see how fast u sink, moron.
 

HongKanSeng

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#4, related to above, the fuselage leaks and sank very quickly

U idiot, the plane is made of a few tons of metal, and the doors were opened for the passengers to exit. U mean u don't expect the water to come in and u don't expect the plane to sink? why dun u drive your car into the S'pore river, open alll the windows and see how fast u sink, moron.

Lots of ego and big talks, but you never read the passengers interview. Their windows were leaking water at once the plane crashed. Exits not even opened yet.

Your Big Mouth?

Pilots admitted that they did not flip the DITCH SWITCH to seal off ventilations & other holes on the plane before they ditched. This is additional reason. But windows are not supposed to leak that way.

Wake up!
 
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