Air Asia flight bound for Singapore lost contact with air traffic

[Merl Haggard]

I observe and cannot help commenting that all the sorrowful Indonesian next-of-kin & relatives of flight 8501 crash victims are very dignified & civil in their conduct compared to those uncouth & despicable PRC scums of MH 370.

I admire and salute the Indonesians.

 

[xebay11]

I observe and cannot help commenting that all the Indonesian next-of-kin & relatives of flight 8501 crash victims behave in a very dignified & civil conduct compared to those uncouth & despicable PRC scums.

I admire and salute the Indonesians.

What is the purpose of your worthless comment? Are you trying to exploit the tragedy to stir sh*t?

 

[Merl Haggard]

What is the purpose of your worthless comment? Are you trying to exploit the tragedy to stir sh*t?

Nothing wrong being a shit-stirrer in this forum, but you having to buy your petrol in JB every weekend, you're one very low-class son-of-a-bitch!

 

[Pellegrini]

If I were the uncle I will say "Eh! boy, later we go home you help me throw away all your father's things, okay!"

Is throwing away 4-2 enough or 5-2? I am unsure to be honest.

 

[Semaj2357]

I observe and cannot help commenting that all the sorrowful Indonesian next-of-kin & relatives of flight 8501 crash victims are very dignified & civil in their conduct compared to those uncouth & despicable PRC scums of MH 370.
I admire and salute the Indonesians.

the tiongs display these outbursts for one thing, and one thing only - to boost compensation / benefits

 

[xebay11]

Nothing wrong being a shit-stirrer in this forum, but you having to buy your petrol in JB every weekend, you're one very low-class son-of-a-bitch!

Nothing wrong with buying cheap petrol and driving a cherry QQ and living in two room flat in BB, why? You look down on low class people issit?

Nothing wrong with you being a shit stirrer? my point was you were exploiting the situation, next time want to stir shit bring your own....Maggot.

 

[rocket]

Nothing wrong with buying cheap petrol and driving a cherry QQ and living in two room flat in BB, why? You look down on low class people issit?

Nothing wrong with you being a shit stirrer? my point was you were exploiting the situation, next time want to stir shit bring your own....Maggot.

From my secular view.
u are a poor old ugly muslim xitian pig face dirty old man

 

[looneytan]

From my secular view.
u are a poor old ugly muslim xitian pig face dirty old man

shit oredy mixed well why you go and stir some more

 

[po2wq]

shit oredy mixed well why you go and stir some more

2 make it splattered all over tis kopitiam! ...

 

[tonychat]

I observe and cannot help commenting that all the sorrowful Indonesian next-of-kin & relatives of flight 8501 crash victims are very dignified & civil in their conduct compared to those uncouth & despicable PRC scums of MH 370.

I admire and salute the Indonesians.

Tiong are a piece of shit.. And you know what, sinkies chink ancestor comes from there.

 

[virus]

mudlands shits r from the dumps n night buckets from sinkieland.

 

[eErotica69]

Tiong are a piece of shit.. And you know what, sinkies chink ancestor comes from there.

Chump, you mean your jiu hu ancestors came from another place? India?

 

[rocket]

Chump, you mean your jiu hu ancestors came from another place? India?

I long suspect tonychat is a indian transgender

 

[Area51]

AirAsia flight may have made water landing before sinking, analysts say

PUBLISHED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 12:23am
UPDATED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 1:21am

Agence France-Presse in Jakarta

Indonesian Navy personnel in a rubber dinghy recovering a body believed to be a victim of the crashed AirAsia airplane. Photo: EPA

Analysts have claimed the pilot of the crashed AirAsia flight may have made an emergency water landing, only for the plane to be overcome by high seas.

The A320-200 left Surabaya, Indonesia early on Sunday and disappeared from radar over the Java Sea during a storm, but it failed to send the transmissions normally emitted when a plane crashes or is submerged.

As search teams battled poor weather in the hunt for the black boxes, experts said the lack of transmissions suggested the experienced former air force pilot, Captain Iriyanto, conducted an emergency water landing that did not destroy the plane.

"The emergency locator transmitter would work on impact, be that land, sea or the sides of a mountain, and my analysis is it didn't work because there was no major impact during landing," said Dudi Sudibyo, of aviation magazine
Angkasa.

"The pilot managed to land it on the sea's surface," he added.

The plane, carrying 162 people to Singapore, was at 10,000 metres when the pilot requested a course change to avoid storms.

Although permission was granted to turn left, the pilot was not immediately allowed to ascend owing to heavy air traffic, and the plane disappeared from radar soon afterwards. Indonesia's search team scoured the sea for more than 48 hours before the first debris was spotted off the island of Borneo after a tip-off from fishermen.

So far, the search team has found eight bodies, but air safety officials said it could take a week to find the crucial black-box recorders.

An emergency-exit door and an inflatable slide were among the first items recovered by the search team, suggesting the first passengers may have started the evacuation process once the plane landed on water.

 

[Area51]

Seven more bodies recovered as French black box team searches for AirAsia plane

PUBLISHED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 9:07am
UPDATED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 4:52pm

Agencies in Surabaya

Two Indonesian officers from navy vessel KRI Bung Tomo guide a helicopter at sea on Thursday. Photo: AFP

Seven more bodies were recovered today as specialist teams continued to search for the wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501, which disappeared on Sunday carrying 162 passengers and crew.

It brings the total confirmed dead to 16, according to Associated Press.

A helicopter from the USS Sampson brought the corpses to Pangkalan Bun, the town nearest to the site off Borneo. They were unloaded and driven off in ambulances.

Rescuers hope the fuselage - if intact - will contain the remains of many of the nearly 150 passengers and crew still missing. The wreckage will be key to explaining what might have caused flight QZ8501 to go down.

A specialist black box search team sent by the French crash investigation agency arrived earlier on Friday after heavy seas forced divers to halt their search the day before.

France’s BEA crash investigation agency assists in the case of any air crash involving an Airbus aircraft because the company is based in that country.

"During the morning of January 2, local time, a ship will be taking the investigators to the search area, with detection equipment including hydrophones [underwater acoustic detection devices], in order to try to locate the acoustic beacons from the two flight recorders," BEA said in a statement.

An Indonesian search and rescue team at the airport in Pangkalan Bun carry the remains of an AirAsia flight QZ8501 passenger recovered at sea on Friday. Photo: Reuters

Search and rescue official Supriadi, who like many Indonesians uses just one name, said it was raining at the suspected crash site on Friday morning, with waves 3-4 metres high and wind speeds of 30-40 knots. Despite the difficult conditions, rescuers recovered seven more bodies at the scene.

The search for the AirAsia jet is unlikely to be as technologically challenging as the two-year search for an Air France jet that crashed into deep Atlantic waters in 2009 or the so far fruitless search for Malaysian Flight 370 which disappeared last year.

Given that Flight QZ8501 crashed in shallow seas, experts say finding the boxes should not be difficult if the beacons, with a range of 2,000 to 3,000 metres, are working.

More ships arrived on Friday with sensitive equipment to hunt for the plane’s fuselage.

“We will focus on underwater detection,” said Indonesia’s Search and Rescue Agency chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo. He added that ships from Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and the US had been on the scene since before dawn on Friday to try to pinpoint wreckage and the all-important flight data and cockpit voice recorders.

A picture made available on Thursday shows Indonesian navy personnel recovering a body believed to be a victim of the crashed AirAsia airplane. Photo: EPA

The data recorder contains crucial information such as engine temperature, vertical and horizontal speed and hundreds of other measurements. The voice recorder captures conversations between pilots and other sounds coming from the cockpit.

Tatang Kurniadi, the head of Indonesia’s National Committee for Transportation Safety, said late on Thursday rescuers would use five ping locators – two from Indonesia, two from Singapore and one from Britain – once bad weather had eased and the waters had calmed as expected within five days.

Officials earlier said it may take as much as a week to find the black boxes, which investigators hope will reveal the sequence of events in the cockpit and in the heavily computerised jet’s systems.

The bodies were brought in numbered coffins to Surabaya where relatives have gathered for identification. AirAsia Indonesia’s CEO Sunu Widyatmoko was seen weeping when authorities handed over the body of the first victim, Hayati Luthfiah Hamid, to family members at a Surabaya hospital.

Hamid, 49, was buried on Thursday before sundown in the suburb of Desa Sawotratap, a few kilometres from the city, at an Islamic ceremony attended by relatives and neighbours. Three members of her family were also on board the plane.

"Their house has been in a panic since Sunday," Umaroyah, a neighbour, said. "Everyone in the neighbourhood knows someone who was on that plane."

Indonesian military officers carry wreckage from AirAsia flight QZ8501, lost over the Java Sea, at the military base in Pangkalan Bun. Photo: AFP

Searches on Thursday spanned an area of 13,500 square kilometres involving 19 ships, four helicopters and five planes, said Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo, head of Indonesia’s Search and Rescue Agency.

A search and rescue pilot has spotted a large shadow in the sea, which rescuers believe may be the wreckage, but they have made clear the sighting is not yet confirmed.

"Until now, there hasn’t been a confirmed finding or sonar image of the plane body under water," Soelistyo said.

Forty-seven divers were on standby to investigate.

"I am hoping that the latest information is correct and aircraft has been found," airline boss Tony Fernandes tweeted on Thursday. "Please all hope together. This is so important."

Toos Sanitiyoso, an air safety investigator with the National Committee for Transportation Safety, said it could take a week to find the black box. Committee head Kurniadi said the focus of the search, once the waters had calmed as expected, was around the shadow.

"We are backtracking from where the wreckage was found to where the plane had its last reading and that is the focus of our search," Kurniadi said. "The depth around here is 50 metres. No specialist equipment [is required]. Divers can go get it."

Investigators are working on a theory that the plane stalled as it climbed steeply to avoid a storm about 40 minutes into the flight.

"What is most difficult is finding the location where the plane fell - checking whether the aircraft is really there," frogman commander Lieutenant Edi Tirkayasa told reporters. "With weather like this, who knows? We are still hopeful and optimistic that they’ll find it. They must."

So far, as well as the bodies, debris including a suitcase, an emergency slide and a life jacket have been recovered from waters near the suspected crash site. No survivors have been found. All but seven of those on board were Indonesians.

A map with the mark "TKP", centre, believed to indicate the possible location of the wreckage of the AirAsia flight is seen onboard SAR ship Purworejo. Photo: Reuters

Authorities have been collecting DNA from relatives to help identify the bodies.

"We are asking universities to work with us - from the whole country," said Anton Castilani, executive director at Indonesia’s disaster victims identification committee.

Relatives, many of whom collapsed in grief when they saw the first television pictures confirming their fears on Tuesday, held prayers at a crisis centre at Surabaya airport.

The plane was travelling at 32,000 feet (9,753 metres) and had asked to fly at 38,000 feet to avoid bad weather. When air traffic controllers granted permission for a rise to 34,000 feet a few minutes later, they received no response.

A source close to the investigation said radar data appeared to show that the aircraft made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed.

"It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said, noting that more information was needed to come to a firm conclusion.

People pray after Friday prayers for the victims of AirAsia flight QZ8501 at the national mosque Al-Akbar in Surabaya, Indonesia. Photo: Xinhua

Online discussion among pilots has centred on unconfirmed secondary radar data from Malaysia that suggested the aircraft was climbing at a speed of 353 knots, about 100 knots too slow, and that it might have stalled.

The Indonesian captain, a former air force fighter pilot, had 6,100 flying hours under his belt and the plane last underwent maintenance in mid-November, according to AirAsia Indonesia, which is 49-percent owned by Malaysia-based budget carrier AirAsia.

Three airline disasters involving Malaysian-affiliated carriers in less than a year have dented confidence in the country’s aviation industry.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared in March en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur and has not been found. On July 17, the same airline’s Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine.

The AirAsia group, including affiliates in Thailand, the Philippines and India, had not suffered a crash since its Malaysian budget operations began in 2002.

Separately, an AirAsia Indonesia pilot was taken off flying duties on the route from Jakarta to the holiday island of Bali on Thursday after a urine test indicated traces of morphine. The airline said he had been taking medication following an illness.

 

[Area51]

Satellite tracking a must for flights

PUBLISHED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 1:06am
UPDATED : Friday, 02 January, 2015, 1:06am

SCMP Editorial

AirAsia Flight 8501 vanished and was lost until wreckage and bodies were found two days later. Photo: Bloomberg

The aviation industry is good at getting passengers quickly from place to place, but does not move so fast when it comes to enacting regulations. The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 in March prompted calls for all aircraft to be equipped with satellite tracking systems and a UN agency backed the idea. Yet the same questions were again asked this week after AirAsia Flight 8501 vanished and was lost until wreckage and bodies were found two days later. For the sake of safety, allaying relatives' anxieties and improving search-and-rescue standards, the dithering has to stop.

Real-time tracking has long been available, after all. Radar is useful in the busy flight paths of Europe and North America, but has limitations in less-developed parts of the world and is of no benefit over seas and oceans. Spy satellites can see objects the size of a golf ball from space and getting around cities is simple with GPS. Still, even after the outcry over the need for improvements to prevent another tragedy like that of MH370, the measures that were agreed to by the UN's International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) have still not been adopted.

Instantaneous data may not necessarily have saved the lives of the 162 people on board the Airbus flying from Surabaya in Indonesia to Singapore, but knowing precisely where the plane was would have streamlined search-and-rescue operations. Airline companies are cautious by nature, though; small profit margins have conditioned them to usually make changes only if they are mandatorily required to. An ICAO taskforce that looked into international tracking systems agreed that aircraft should be tracked to within the nearest nautical mile, but there was no agreement on a timetable for deployment, in large part due to the costs involved.

Airline firms are spending millions of dollars to provide passengers with satellite-based broadband services. There is no reason why they should not also invest in satellite tracking. The industry has to make it mandatory: Only this way can all elements of doubt truly be removed from commercial flight.

 

[Area51]

Some AirAsia victims found belted in seats

By ROBIN McDOWELL
Jan. 2, 2015 10:18 AM EST

Indonesia soldiers carry coffins containing bodies of the victims of AirAsia Flight 8501 to be airlifted to Surabaya, at the main hospital in Pangkalan Bun, Indonesia, Friday, Jan. 2, 2015. The investigation into the AirAsia crash has turned to the ocean floor, with more sonar equipment and metal detectors deployed today to scour the seabed for wreckage, including the plane's black boxes. (AP Photo/Tatan Syuflana)

PANGKALAN BUN, Indonesia (AP) — After nearly a week of searching for the victims of AirAsia Flight 8501, rescue teams battling monsoon rains had their most successful day yet on Friday, more than tripling the number of bodies pulled from the Java Sea, some still strapped to their seats.

Of the 30 corpses recovered so far, 21 were found on Friday, many of them by a U.S. Navy ship, according to officials.

The Airbus A320 carrying 162 passengers and crew went down Sunday, halfway into a flight from Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city, to Singapore. Minutes before losing contact, the pilot told air-traffic control he was approaching threatening clouds, but was denied permission to climb to a higher altitude because of heavy air traffic.

It remains unclear what caused the plane to plunge into the sea. The accident was AirAsia's first since it began operations in 2001, quickly becoming one of the region's most popular low-cost carriers.

In addition to looking for victims, Search and Rescue Agency chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo said ships from Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and the U.S. are scouring the ocean floor as they try to pinpoint wreckage and the all-important black boxes.

The data recorder contains crucial information like engine temperature and vertical and horizontal speed; the voice recorder saves conversations between pilots and other sounds coming from inside the cockpit.

Toos Saniotoso, an Indonesian air safety investigator, said investigators "are looking at every aspect" as they try to determine why the plane crashed. "From the operational side, the human factor, the technical side, the ATC (air-traffic control) — everything is valuable to us."

Bad weather, which has hindered the search for the past several days, remained a worry. A drizzle and light clouds covered the area Friday morning, but rain, strong winds and high waves up to 4 meters (13 feet) were forecast until Sunday. Strong sea currents have also kept debris moving.

That has severely slowed recovery efforts, as well, as bodies drift farther and farther away.

Col. Yayan Sofiyan, commander of the warship Bung Tomo, told MetroTV his vessel managed to pull seven bodies from the choppy waters on Friday, five still fastened in their seats.

Soelistyo, who was only able to confirm two victims in their seats, said a total of 30 bodies have been recovered. More than a third have been pulled out by a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Sampson.

Generally, aviation experts say the more passengers, luggage and parts of the aircraft that remain intact indicate the plane hit the water in one piece. That would signal problems like a mechanical error or a stall instead of a mid-air break-up due to an explosion or sudden depressurization.

Soelistyo pledged to recover the bodies of "our brothers and sisters ... whatever conditions we face."

Four crash victims have been identified and returned to their families, including a flight attendant and an 11-year-old boy.

After prayers on Friday, the holiest day of the week for Muslims, more than 200 people gathered at a mosque in Surabaya to remember the victims.

"We pray that the passengers in this AirAsia tragedy will be received by Allah," the imam said, "and that all their sins will be forgiven by Allah."

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Associated Press writers Niniek Karmini, Ali Kotarumalos and Margie Mason in Jakarta, Eileen Ng in Surabaya, Indonesia, and Scott Mayerowitz in New York contributed to this report.

 

[Area51]

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AirAsia Search: 30 bodies have been found


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[Area51]

Yonhap News Agency January 2, 2015 1:00pm

South Korean plane finds six bodies of AirAsia crash victims

SEOUL, Jan. 2 (Yonhap) — A South Korean maritime patrol aircraft on a search mission for victims of a crashed AirAsia jet found six bodies Friday, Seoul's defense ministry said.

The South Korean Navy's P-3C plane was dispatched on Tuesday to join the international search for AirAsia flight QZ8501 that smashed into the Java Sea last week with 162 people on board en route to Singapore from the Indonesian city of Surabaya.

A South Korean couple and their baby were confirmed to be on board the plane.

"The P-3C plane spotted six bodies presumed to be victims of the disaster at around 2 p.m. today (Seoul Time) at the Java Sea, and five of them were recovered by the Indonesian authorities," a defense ministry officer said, requesting anonymity.

The discovery brought the total number of victims of the deadly disaster to 22, he said, adding that adverse weather conditions hampered the recovery efforts.

"The operations to recover the remaining body have been under way, and the identities of the bodies found today would be confirmed later," the officer said. "We will strive further to find more victims."

So far, no one has been found alive.

South Korea plans to dispatch a seven-member government team to Indonesia on Saturday to help the search operations, according to the foreign ministry.

 

[Froggy]

ShitSkin Airline AirAsia - Breaking all the Rules

Many questions on this shitskin airline

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Bringing Forward Flight

We've all heard of flight delay, what about flight brought forward? So what is the reason for bringing the flight forward 2 hours? Is it to try to avoid bad weather? Is it to capitalize from other money making opportunities? The real reason need to be known.

Not Licensed to Fly on Sunday

Quote these 2 paragraphs from the news today

"Separately, AirAsia's Surabaya-Singapore and Singapore-Surabaya routes were suspended by Indonesia's transport ministry due to a breach of contract by the airline.

In a press statement issued on Friday, the transport ministry said AirAsia, based on an Oct 24, 2014 contract, was allowed only to fly Surabaya-Singapore-Surabaya route on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, but in practice the airline flies that route on Sunday."

Looks like AirAsia is breaking all the rule like all shitskins will do and get away with it.