61% Increase in Pay Over 2 Years. Guess Who?

[Dreamer1]

I sincerely hope you are not part of the opposition and are a spy planted by the PAP. If not, the opposition is really hopeless.

Spoiling the vote is sitting on the fence? So, let's say you are offered rice or noodles for a meal, however, you decide to skip the meal because you don't like both. Is that sitting on the fence? What if, to the people, there is no fence at all? Same thing, I hate the PAP does not mean I will willy-nilly vote anyone into Parliament. Give the opposition a try? You must be joking. Why should I if they are not addressing my concerns?

Wow,like that you come with such a shocking statement.
Now I really wonder whether you are just acting here.just my humble opinion!

Let me say,I do not support any party,but I want to bloody nosed PAP this round.

All the politicains in this world are fuckers,that include not only Spore's,but those very righteorus uncle Sam's

Hope I am clear enough!

 

[Unrepented]

Agree with what you said. And just let me add that the collective voting power of the people represents the people's "power to manage" the situation.

Different situations require different management strategies. Of course it would be ideal for me to vote for a candidate I like with all the favourable attributes one can think of. But no one is flawless and perfect.

But I will choose one that meet the needs of my management strategy under certain suitations. I vote to create a system, not in support of individuals like fan crazed teenagers. Change may be incremental, but so long it is in the desired direction, I am comforted.

If I spoil my vote, I will have forsaken my own destiny, that of our children and family. However immaterial the impact of my one vote, but at least I know what I did is true to my heart, and not feel sorry for myself.

your assumption is flawed - no one will know conclusively the grounds for a spoilt vote. political parties will only "see" votes being spoilt, they won't know the numerous reasons behind the spoilt vote.

putting a monkey in parliament gives you a voice. because if the monkey wants to stay for a 2nd term, he/she better pay attention to the wishes of the voters who put them in office.

your misguided strategy of vote spoiling only achieves one thing - keeping the incumbent in power.

which is what you want, since you don't care who is in power. ie you would prefer the status quo over a change.

call a spade, a spade. your interests lies with keeping the incumbent in power. because that is the natural result of your misguided vote spoiling technique.

 

[yuelao]

All the politicains in this world are fuckers,that include not only Spore's,but those very righteorus uncle Sam's

Everyone understands that and no one will vote for anyone if it is not in their interests to do so. Sure, they may hate the PAP but except for the hardcore supporters, no one will simply vote for the opposition if they are uncertain how they are going to benefit from it. As to what constitutes these benefits, it may vary from individual to individual. For me, the biggest benefit I want is control over how the politicians are being paid.

 

[patrickv]

pap officials always say : don't vote for opposition just because you don't like us.

why they say that? isn't you falling right into their trap. wake up please.

 

[Dreamer1]

Everyone understands that and no one will vote for anyone if it is not in their interests to do so. Sure, they may hate the PAP but except for the hardcore supporters, no one will simply vote for the opposition if they are uncertain how they are going to benefit from it. As to what constitutes these benefits, it may vary from individual to individual. For me, the biggest benefit I want is control over how the politicians are being paid.

That my friend you would never get,so stop yr dream
or carry on sleeping and dreaming thro' yr remaining life
Simple as that!

I still remember vivdly two prominent Chinese politicians who offered to cut their pay
The first one is of course our incorruptaible MM LKY,he freezed his own pay back in the 60+,he is also the founder of LEEGALISED regime.

The other is ex-President Ah Bian,of Taiwan ,he took a pay cut in 12004 when he became prssident,saying the salary was too high
The rest is of course history,he will come out of prision in 2030,hopefully he is still around,which is doubtful.

 

[yuelao]

If I spoil my vote, I will have forsaken my own destiny, that of our children and family. However immaterial the impact of my one vote, but at least I know what I did is true to my heart, and not feel sorry for myself.

If there are only 2 candidates and one candidate wants to raise tax by 100% while the other by 50%, then congratulations, you have just voted your support for a tax rise. If 80% of the people spoil their votes, you will see riots if any of the candidates tries to push through a tax increase.

 

[yuelao]

Sick of replying to morons. I will do whatever I like, including spoiling my vote if no candidates address my concerns satisfactorily. End of story.

You are free to call me stupid or whatever, I don't care. If it is my vote you want, you better work for it. Same goes for PAP, opposition or independents.

 

[patrickv]

i am sick of morons who only know how to kbkp about pap but end of day only know how to spoil their votes.

 

[Unrepented]

IMO, one has to bring about a suitable structure first. A system that mitigates ethical threats, improves checks, balances and effective in the demand for accountability.

With the structure in place, refinement on the quality of the individuals in this system could be realised naturally, under the effective system.

Spoiling your vote because the opposition is untested..... IMO and no offense, you are missing the forest for the trees.

Everyone understands that and no one will vote for anyone if it is not in their interests to do so. Sure, they may hate the PAP but except for the hardcore supporters, no one will simply vote for the opposition if they are uncertain how they are going to benefit from it. As to what constitutes these benefits, it may vary from individual to individual. For me, the biggest benefit I want is control over how the politicians are being paid.

 

[Unrepented]

Being one with no political affiliation and an average joe like you, your comment which I highlighted pricks my heart as a fellow citizen.

I find your comment; that of a spolit arrogant and ignorant child. No one owes you anything, or beg for your vote. You owe it to yourself and your loved ones.

Of course, everyone has an agenda for doing something.

But then again, this society has become such..... the lust for material well being brings out the worst in a person, distrust, skeptism etc.

Just assuming, a country in peril, pockets of resistances arose and you choose not to have any part in them, because you think their apparatus are too old and not to your liking, or the few commanders strategies not to your liking, or the commanders have their own agenda.

Do you choose to sit and wait for the "one" you like to appear while situation worsens around you. If all chose to behave like you, what will happen?

Or will you join the fight when you have the opportunity to defend for the sake of your family and future? Before it is too late?:o

Sick of replying to morons. I will do whatever I like, including spoiling my vote if no candidates address my concerns satisfactorily. End of story.

You are free to call me stupid or whatever, I don't care. If it is my vote you want, you better work for it. Same goes for PAP, opposition or independents.

 

[johnny333]

Actually to me he sounds really legitimate in the sense that he said,I only unhappy with the S$4 millions they get a year,other than that,it is perfectly OK for me.They are nice or I dont fuck care,things like that

Sure,that is his opinion,to each his own,freedom of speech.

LKY was able to become PM because Sporeans had freedom of speech & choice back then.

However nowadays that freedom is denied to Sporeans & that's why even in Sammyboy people are afraid & hiding behind anonymity.

Call me paranoid but I'm very suspicious & fearful of the PAP, my own gov't. For all anyone knows this person could be another PAP mole encouraging others to do nothing

 

[Dreamer1]

LKY was able to become PM because Sporeans had freedom of speech & choice back then.

However nowadays that freedom is denied to Sporeans & that's why even in Sammyboy people are afraid & hiding behind anonymity.

Call me paranoid but I'm very suspicious & fearful of the PAP, my own gov't. For all anyone knows this person could be another PAP mole encouraging others to do nothing

He writes with an obvious agenda,there is little doubt,but who cares,just ignore him!

My own agenda is to bloody nose PAP,but not to change government yet!

It seems to me that I cannnot lose,PAP wouild not fall,not this year,unless the sun rises fr the West!

 

[littlefish]

Being one with no political affiliation and an average joe like you, your comment which I highlighted pricks my heart as a fellow citizen.

I find your comment; that of a spolit arrogant and ignorant child. No one owes you anything, or beg for your vote. You owe it to yourself and your loved ones.

Of course, everyone has an agenda for doing something.

But then again, this society has become such..... the lust for material well being brings out the worst in a person, distrust, skeptism etc.

Just assuming, a country in peril, pockets of resistances arose and you choose not to have any part in them, because you think their apparatus are too old and not to your liking, or the few commanders strategies not to your liking, or the commanders have their own agenda.

Do you choose to sit and wait for the "one" you like to appear while situation worsens around you. If all chose to behave like you, what will happen?

Or will you join the fight when you have the opportunity to defend for the sake of your family and future? Before it is too late?:o

You are making some pretty ridiculous assumptions here.

1) SG is doomed if PAP is allowed to hold on to power.
2) Everyone believes that SG is on the path of self-destruction.
3) Everyone's lives will be better off if PAP is voted out.
4) It is everyone's duty to vote opposition to save their future.

If this is the strategy of the opposition, I will bet that they will get the same pathetic results seen in previous elections. You may hate living under PAP's rule but if you don't think any of the above assumptions are valid, you will understand why most people will not simply vote opposition because they hate PAP (of course, people will look more favourably at the opposition but that may or may not translate into votes). Hate PAP != Hardcore opposition supporter

Yes, the opposition may not have the experience but that means they need to work harder at convincing the voters. They are not going to win by simply working up hatred against the PAP. Wasn't there an opposition figure who voted for PAP in the last election too? This is the reality I see in SG now.

 

[johnny333]

1) SG is doomed if PAP is allowed to hold on to power.
2) Everyone believes that SG is on the path of self-destruction.
3) Everyone's lives will be better off if PAP is voted out.
4) It is everyone's duty to vote opposition to save their future.

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The island of Spore will always be here. It's the current & future generation of citizens of Spore that will be played out by the PAP.

The gap is widening between "elites" & "lesser mortals". When you have millions of foreigners coming, expect more Sporeans to leave. Even the wealthy are leaving. Why should they put up with jams & crowds

I know alot of people who left before the gates were thrown open to the foreigners. Since then rumours have surfaced of the billions lost by the PAP, Spore's laundry business, changes to the CPF rules,...., & of course the welcoming of "more" FT . Events which have simply reinforced these people decision to leave.

Just have to go to the emmigatiion folder & see the sentiments that exist :(

 

[Unrepented]

I wonder why you made ridiculous assumptions on my behalf and distort my viewpoint.

You are making some pretty ridiculous assumptions here.

1) SG is doomed if PAP is allowed to hold on to power.
2) Everyone believes that SG is on the path of self-destruction.
3) Everyone's lives will be better off if PAP is voted out.
4) It is everyone's duty to vote opposition to save their future.

If this is the strategy of the opposition, I will bet that they will get the same pathetic results seen in previous elections. You may hate living under PAP's rule but if you don't think any of the above assumptions are valid, you will understand why most people will not simply vote opposition because they hate PAP (of course, people will look more favourably at the opposition but that may or may not translate into votes). Hate PAP != Hardcore opposition supporter

Yes, the opposition may not have the experience but that means they need to work harder at convincing the voters. They are not going to win by simply working up hatred against the PAP. Wasn't there an opposition figure who voted for PAP in the last election too? This is the reality I see in SG now.