365 days evil Scripture Reading ;)

[omnia1]

religions failed several categories of argument;
science vs religions
the history of Christianity
the theology of Christianity
common sense and reasoning

that is why in the western world where people dare to questions, there is a growing number of pastors and preachers hanging up their preaching hat because they have come to a conclusion that what they have been preaching is a lie.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/atheist-ministers-leading-faithful/story?id=12004359#.T7dc1sWjjqI

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/30/151681248/from-minister-to-atheist-a-story-of-losing-faith

only in Singapore where the education have been focusing on rote learning and very little on critical thinking (or none at all), will then these religions flourish and in numbers, feeding on feeble minded weaklings.

Noted your views about God, religion and the state of education in Singapore. It hasn't added anything to our discussion on so called 'evil' passages in the bible and the message of God; but thanks for your thoughts any way .

 

[drifter]

Then it might interest you to know that the idea that Christianity is only about the bible and nothing else (what is known as "Sola Scriptura" or "Bible Alone") is only held by Non-Catholic and Non-Eastern Orthodox Christians (aka Protestant Christians, loosely speaking). Ask the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches or Christians in the 12th century, 8th century, 3rd century and they well tell you that God's truths come through the bible and the Church that Jesus (God) established to carry on his mission, which he has given authority to guide the faithful in the proper interpretation of the bible and God's word.

Yes, it does appear contradictory, doesn't it ? But as I have pointed out, if you read the entire bible holistically, and understand the historical context of what is written and God's plan for salvation, you will begin to understand why things are not as contradictory as they seem. Read points 1 to 4 that I set out in post #144.


I fully agree that those "religious ppl" who commit all sorts of atrocities should be shot . They would have to answer to God when they exit this world. So why would God create less than perfect human beings ? What God created were human beings to whom he gave the gift of free will, allowing them to freely choose to love or to hate. Think about this: If God had created perfect human beings who could not choose to do wrong, they would be equivalent to robots, wouldn't they ? Is real love (i) a robot that is programmed to love and be with you (but who did not make the choice on its own), or (ii) someone with free will but who has freely choosen to love and go with you through thick and thin ?

God is love and he chose to give the gift of free will to mankind. But with this gift, we must also accept that there will be persons who will choose evil and reject his creator (God). That person freely chooses to separate himself from God (aka hell). God does not send anybody to hell; they freely choose that path.

Since you brought up the quote by Pope Leo purporting to promote violence and murder, I was offering a different perspective for readers to consider.

You would think that Christianity and the bible teaches you to "kill your children", "kill those who don't believe in god", torture this group and that group and so forth, if you read bible passages in a vacuum without knowledge or consideration for the historical context of what you are reading and of the full Gospel message. But as I have explained in post #144, you will begin to see a very different message coming from God through the bible if you read the bible holistically and take guidance from the Church.


A kill is a kill ?? That is a very simplistic, almost naive way to look at killing. Society takes the lives of convicted murderers; a policeman might have to take the life of a criminal threatening to harm a mother and her child; you might have to use deadly force as a last resort against a criminal entering your house and threatening your family. Are these actions morally the same as someone who kills a woman that he has just raped to silence her ? Or a person who kills his business rival to get ahead ?

Then it might interest you to know that the idea that Christianity is only about the bible and nothing else (what is known as "Sola Scriptura" or "Bible Alone") is only held by Non-Catholic and Non-Eastern Orthodox Christians (aka Protestant Christians, loosely speaking). Ask the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches or Christians in the 12th century, 8th century, 3rd century and they well tell you that God's truths come through the bible and the Church that Jesus (God) established to carry on his mission, which he has given authority to guide the faithful in the proper interpretation of the bible and God's word ".



HOW DO YOU KNOW THE BIBLE IS GOD WORD ?



" Yes, it does appear contradictory, doesn't it ? But as I have pointed out, if you read the entire bible holistically, and understand the historical context of what is written and God's plan for salvation, you will begin to understand why things are not as contradictory as they seem. Read points 1 to 4 that I set out in post #144" .


SORRY TO SAY THAT ITS STILL CONDTRADICTING IF YOU READ THE WHOLE BIBLE . I WILL START UP A THREAD ON THAT IF I HAVE THE TIME DONT WORRY .



" I fully agree that those "religious ppl" who commit all sorts of atrocities should be shot . They would have to answer to God when they exit this world. So why would God create less than perfect human beings ? What God created were human beings to whom he gave the gift of free will, allowing them to freely choose to love or to hate. Think about this: If God had created perfect human beings who could not choose to do wrong, they would be equivalent to robots, wouldn't they ? Is real love (i) a robot that is programmed to love and be with you (but who did not make the choice on its own), or (ii) someone with free will but who has freely choosen to love and go with you through thick and thin ?

God is love and he chose to give the gift of free will to mankind. But with this gift, we must also accept that there will be persons who will choose evil and reject his creator (God). That person freely chooses to separate himself from God (aka hell). God does not send anybody to hell; they freely choose that path ".


FREE WILL ? WHAHAHAHHA . ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE ..YOUR INVISIBLE MAN WILL ALLOW YOU TO HEAVEN IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM ...YOU MEAN THAT IS A FREE WILL ? ITS JUST LIKE IM HOLDING A GUN IF YOU DONT GIVE ME MONEY I WILL SHOOT YOU BUT YOU STILL HAVE A FREE WILL NOT TO GIVE ME MONEY RIGHT ? IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL FREE WILL ?



" Since you brought up the quote by Pope Leo purporting to promote violence and murder, I was offering a different perspective for readers to consider.

You would think that Christianity and the bible teaches you to "kill your children", "kill those who don't believe in god", torture this group and that group and so forth, if you read bible passages in a vacuum without knowledge or consideration for the historical context of what you are reading and of the full Gospel message. But as I have explained in post #144, you will begin to see a very different message coming from God through the bible if you read the bible holistically and take guidance from the Church ".


OH YES , YOU LIKE TO PICK AND CHOSE THE CONTENTS OF THE BIBLE AND LEAVE OUT THOSE EVIL ONES ? WELL DONE .



" A kill is a kill ?? That is a very simplistic, almost naive way to look at killing. Society takes the lives of convicted murderers; a policeman might have to take the life of a criminal threatening to harm a mother and her child; you might have to use deadly force as a last resort against a criminal entering your house and threatening your family. Are these actions morally the same as someone who kills a woman that he has just raped to silence her ? Or a person who kills his business rival to get ahead ' ?


YOU MEAN YOU COULD GET AWAY FROM MURDER IF ITS GOD WORD ?

 

[drifter]

no lah. Your assumption is too simplistic. I'm totally different as i can always say "no" to him when his suggestions raised my eyebrows. You must sometimes ... Oh, i forgot you folks are disbelievers.

Corrupt science ? You mean the m-theory or strings ? Lol :d it's not just a huge leap of faith but they make science switching itself to a crazy mode.

There will always be people who will not want to look into the mirror themselves. Atheism is a form of religion whether you like it or not. But, yet, atheists love another form of blind faith instead of adopting an open mind. They are quite stubborn too.

do you know what is the meaning of religion ? Atheism do not believe theres a higher being watching over you . Can you show me proof that atheism is a religion ?

 

[drifter]

Re: Third Eye Or Radar ?

you are into buddhism, that's why you can't get out of the rut. You are stuck and you don't have enough knowledge about god to give you a 3d perspective. If you look from one dimension, it's a square. By looking at the other dimension (side), it will reveal that its not a cube. And from an x-ray film, it will reveal more of its inside.

Without the spirit of god, it is very limited or difficult to what you can read or decipher. You remember i list one of these verses out as "the spirit will teach you all things".

Without it, it is like without a compass - anything goes. You will be lost and be confused.

and who told you im a buddist ? Again you christains try to assume things yourself and then be judge yourself whahahahaha...nothing new . Show me evidence that i say im a buddist ?

Compass ? Whahahaha yo are comparing apple with orange ...i know you are trying very hard to convice ppl here ...too bad you have to try harder

 

[drifter]

where does this passage talk about beating your child to the point of abuse as suggested by the pictures that you have conveniently added ??!?

Are you trying to infuse bible passages with malicious content and meanings that are not there to begin with, based on a plain reading of the bible passage ?

the whole thread here is about murder , killing and abuse . You can try to shut your eyes here but the truth will always be the truth whether you like it or not

 

[drifter]

Re: Third Eye Or Radar ?

Bible Quotes for May 20



Kill Followers of Other Religions



While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

 

[omnia1]

the whole thread here is about murder , killing and abuse . You can try to shut your eyes here but the truth will always be the truth whether you like it or not

Yes, this thread tries to list bible passages that show murder, killing and abuse. You quoted the following bible passage:
"Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Proverbs 22:15 NAB)

I ask again in very plain language: where does "murder, killing and abuse" appear in this verse ?

 

[fishbuff]

Yes, this thread tries to list bible passages that show murder, killing and abuse. You quoted the following bible passage:
"Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Proverbs 22:15 NAB)

I ask again in very plain language: where does "murder, killing and abuse" appear in this verse ?

not in the a/m verse but peppered all over in the OT. i have verified the claims and yes, they do exist in the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

example:
Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)



God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)



Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)



The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)



Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

 

[omnia1]

not in the a/m verse but peppered all over in the OT. ....

If there is no "murder, violence and killing" in this particular verse, why was it posted? That's what I'm asking and I'm still awaiting an explanation.

 

[drifter]

Yes, this thread tries to list bible passages that show murder, killing and abuse. You quoted the following bible passage:
"Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Proverbs 22:15 NAB)

I ask again in very plain language: where does "murder, killing and abuse" appear in this verse ?

this thread never TRIES to list bible passages that show killing and abuse ...its already in the bible !!! from the starting of the thread until now its all about abuse and killing .



" "Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Proverbs 22:15 NAB) "

it means that its ok to use the rod of discipline to get what you want from the kid ...if this is not abuse , i dont know what is . oh , i forgotten ...your god love punishment but at the same time he lovesssssssss you

 

[fishbuff]

If there is no "murder, violence and killing" in this particular verse, why was it posted? That's what I'm asking and I'm still awaiting an explanation.

hitler's act on the genocide of the jews was referred to as "purification".
the crusaders' actions in the dark ages against the muslims was deemed as "service to god."
Pol Pot's plan to exterminate 2million Cambodians were seemed as "progress" to the Cambodian nation.

how many times do you hear the accused of declaring their crimes as what the public perceive? what is that norwegian guy's name who killed 78 teenagers? "defending the nation?"

 

[omnia1]

" "Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Proverbs 22:15 NAB) "

it means that its ok to use the rod of discipline to get what you want from the kid ...if this is not abuse , i dont know what is . oh , i forgotten ...your god love punishment but at the same time he lovesssssssss you

I disagree. You are interpreting the verse to suit your own agenda and crusade against the bible. An objective person will not see murder, violence and abuse in this particular verse. All the verse says is that children have a tendency to act foolishly (as all parents will testify to) and they need to be disciplined in order to outgrow that foolishness. Most if not all parents would agree with this wholeheartedly. No where in this verse does it say that we should beat/cane the child half to death in order to "get what we want from the kid".

Don't agree with what I say ? Ask fishbuff. Even fishbuff has agreed that murder, violence and abuse is not found in this particular verse (but in other parts of the bible) - see post #168.

 

[omnia1]

hitler's act on the genocide of the jews was referred to as "purification".
the crusaders' actions in the dark ages against the muslims was deemed as "service to god."
Pol Pot's plan to exterminate 2million Cambodians were seemed as "progress" to the Cambodian nation.

how many times do you hear the accused of declaring their crimes as what the public perceive? what is that norwegian guy's name who killed 78 teenagers? "defending the nation?"

That's all good to know. But my question remains. If "murder, violence and abuse" is not found in the verse: "Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him" as you've agreed, why post this verse ?

To be fair to you, it was drifter who started this thread and posted this verse. drifter should be the one to answer this question.

 

[omnia1]

FREE WILL ? WHAHAHAHHA . ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE ..YOUR INVISIBLE MAN WILL ALLOW YOU TO HEAVEN IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM ...YOU MEAN THAT IS A FREE WILL ? ITS JUST LIKE IM HOLDING A GUN IF YOU DONT GIVE ME MONEY I WILL SHOOT YOU BUT YOU STILL HAVE A FREE WILL NOT TO GIVE ME MONEY RIGHT ? IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL FREE WILL ?

A more accurate analogy would be this: you have the choice to give your money to your struggling retrenched neighbour and in doing so, enter into a state of immense joy and satisfaction; OR you could keep the money and buy yet another flashy car for yourself which eventually will still leave you in a state of disatisfaction and yearning for true joy and contentment. You are free to choose either. Heaven is akin to the former, hell is akin to the latter. No one holds a gun to your head.

OH YES , YOU LIKE TO PICK AND CHOSE THE CONTENTS OF THE BIBLE AND LEAVE OUT THOSE EVIL ONES ? WELL DONE .

Please read my post #144 and reflect on it. In no way am I leaving out the supposed 'evil' verses. On the contrary, the whole purpose of post #144 is precisely to share with readers why the bible has these verses and how the verses may not necessarily contradict the Chrtistian teaching of a loving and just God if we understand the whole bible and Christian faith in a holistic manner.

YOU MEAN YOU COULD GET AWAY FROM MURDER IF ITS GOD WORD ?

You made the assertion that all forms of killing are morally equal - "A kill is a kill", you say. I'm explaining to you that there is killing that is morally justifiable (eg: execution of criminals by the state and policemen carrying out their duties to protect the citizenry) and killing that is not. I should also add that all this was said in the context of your quoting Pope Leo. What I highlighted was that if the state deems it fit to take the lives of murderers, it is not unreasonable to view the same for spiritual mass murderers, which is what heretics potentially are. I'm not advocating that heretics be killed, I'm merely sharing a different perspective on the Pope's quote. Please see my post #147 for context and details.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE BIBLE IS GOD WORD ?

That's my faith.

 

[drifter]

A more accurate analogy would be this: you have the choice to give your money to your struggling retrenched neighbour and in doing so, enter into a state of immense joy and satisfaction; OR you could keep the money and buy yet another flashy car for yourself which eventually will still leave you in a state of disatisfaction and yearning for true joy and contentment. You are free to choose either. Heaven is akin to the former, hell is akin to the latter. No one holds a gun to your head.


Please read my post #144 and reflect on it. In no way am I leaving out the supposed 'evil' verses. On the contrary, the whole purpose of post #144 is precisely to share with readers why the bible has these verses and how the verses may not necessarily contradict the Chrtistian teaching of a loving and just God if we understand the whole bible and Christian faith in a holistic manner.

You made the assertion that all forms of killing are morally equal - "A kill is a kill", you say. I'm explaining to you that there is killing that is morally justifiable (eg: execution of criminals by the state and policemen carrying out their duties to protect the citizenry) and killing that is not. I should also add that all this was said in the context of your quoting Pope Leo. What I highlighted was that if the state deems it fit to take the lives of murderers, it is not unreasonable to view the same for spiritual mass murderers, which is what heretics potentially are. I'm not advocating that heretics be killed, I'm merely sharing a different perspective on the Pope's quote. Please see my post #147 for context and details.

That's my faith.

" A more accurate analogy would be this: you have the choice to give your money to your struggling retrenched neighbour and in doing so, enter into a state of immense joy and satisfaction; OR you could keep the money and buy yet another flashy car for yourself which eventually will still leave you in a state of disatisfaction and yearning for true joy and contentment. You are free to choose either. Heaven is akin to the former, hell is akin to the latter. No one holds a gun to your head ".

wrong analogy ...because your neighbour did not threaten you as what your bible says " believe in me and you will go heaven " .




"Please read my post #144 and reflect on it. In no way am I leaving out the supposed 'evil' verses. On the contrary, the whole purpose of post #144 is precisely to share with readers why the bible has these verses and how the verses may not necessarily contradict the Chrtistian teaching of a loving and just God if we understand the whole bible and Christian faith in a holistic manner ".


the bible is not contradicting ? ok ...i will now start a thread on that ...hope you come in






" You made the assertion that all forms of killing are morally equal - "A kill is a kill", you say. I'm explaining to you that there is killing that is morally justifiable (eg: execution of criminals by the state and policemen carrying out their duties to protect the citizenry) and killing that is not. I should also add that all this was said in the context of your quoting Pope Leo. What I highlighted was that if the state deems it fit to take the lives of murderers, it is not unreasonable to view the same for spiritual mass murderers, which is what heretics potentially are. I'm not advocating that heretics be killed, I'm merely sharing a different perspective on the Pope's quote. Please see my post #147 for context and details " .


whats make you think killing is morally justifiable ? 2 wrongs do not make a right




"That's my faith "

what is faith ?'Faith' means not wanting to know what is true .To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary

 

[wrcboi]

woOoO....they have gone smarter...playing mind games...and word tactics...but its still the same...use the bible to defend the bible...its all about a book created by a man....

 

[drifter]

woOoO....they have gone smarter...playing mind games...and word tactics...but its still the same...use the bible to defend the bible...its all about a book created by a man....

this is what christianity is all about ..im not surprise at all ...the more they wanted to defence their bible or god ...the more they fall into that hole ..the reason why im in this folder is to show ppl how fuck up their religion is . its good that they come out to defence their religion ...it will make them look more stupid

 

[Conqueror]

this is what christianity is all about ..im not surprise at all ...the more they wanted to defence their bible or god ...the more they fall into that hole ..the reason why im in this folder is to show ppl how fuck up their religion is . its good that they come out to defence their religion ...it will make them look more stupid

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This is no more a secret anyway. Atheists thought that by getting the top scientists to give them fire support to laugh at religions that ended being flame broiled alive instead.

God must exist in order for the world to exist. Period !

Atheists are the greatest fools on earth.

 

[drifter]

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This is no more a secret anyway. Atheists thought that by getting the top scientists to give them fire support to laugh at religions that ended being flame broiled alive instead.

God must exist in order for the world to exist. Period !

Atheists are the greatest fools on earth.

" God must exist in order for the world to exist. Period !"

have you took large amount of LSD ? every min you are getting silly whahahahaah period

christain are the world most delusional human being who believe in talking snake and try every means to proof its real whahahahahaha

 

[drifter]

with me around the more you try to clean your bible ...the more dirty it gets whahahahahaha