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[Vid] SDP Keling Kia responds to Gigine Wong, declaring he stands staunchly against racism, and that Gigine Wong made a fucked up racist remark on him

Own goal.

He should have just said: "Gigene has apologized and I've accepted her apology, noting that there was no malicious intent on her part. Just so, let this be a reminder that there's no place for racism in Singapore, and we should be more mindful of cultural sensitivities in a multi-ethnic society. Let's move on."
This is the correct approach.
 
As an old timer, let me spell it out. In hokkien, indians are referred to as keling, with no malice intended. They can also be called eng tor lang although this is used less frequently.
Cake leng sounds better ah puh neh neh.
Yin tor lang is official way of calling. Direct translation from mandarin to hokkien.
 
Nothing wrong with calling local Indians 'Keling'. SDP is just overblowing it up to create more drama for this GE.

Even Malays also call them 'Orange Keling' for decades. If not call them what? Apunehneh? In fact Apunehneh is also not a racial slur as explained by older Indian man himself LOL (see below).

Keling is a legitimate term for local Indian which in fact is term of respect linked to their past south India Kingdom Kalinga, nothing racists nor slurring. This term is also used in many local area names in Jurong (Tanjong Kling Road) Penang (Kapitan Keling Mosque), Surabaya (Kampung Keling) and Bali (Budakeling)

Only PCB Kia Woke local Indian youngsters like Ariffin Sha (Wake Up SG founder) become overly sensitive by wrongly equating the term as a racial slur equivalent to 'nigger' for negros, all nonsense of their own making.

Let this old local Indian sexplain the meaning of Keling.


And this old Indian schooling a Woke young indian from Malaysia:


https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling
----------------------------
The term "Keling" has a complex history in Singapore and Southeast Asia, rooted in cultural and historical interactions but has been wrongly regarded as a derogatory slur.

### Historical Origin of "Keling"
The term "Keling" derives from the ancient Indian kingdom of **Kalinga**, located in present-day Odisha and parts of Andhra Pradesh, India. Kalinga was a powerful maritime and cultural hub from the 3rd century BCE, known for its trade networks across Southeast Asia, including the Malay Archipelago (modern-day Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Brunei). The term "Keling" (or "Kling") emerged as an exonym in Southeast Asia to refer to people from the Indian subcontinent, particularly those associated with Kalinga’s trade diaspora.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)

- **Etymology**: According to political scientist Sudama Misra, "Keling" stems from "Kalinga," with the terminal schwa sound dropped in Malay usage. The term was initially a neutral descriptor for Indian traders, mariners, and settlers, not limited to Kalinga’s inhabitants but broadly applied to South Indians, especially Tamils and Cholas.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Earliest Usage**: The term appears in the **Sejarah Melayu** (Malay Annals), a 15th–16th-century text chronicling the Malacca Sultanate. It references "Raja Shulan," a king of "Keling," and his descendant "Raja Chulan," identified by scholars as linked to the Chola dynasty of South India, not strictly Kalinga. The Annals use "Keling" positively, highlighting Indian influence in trade and politics, such as voyages to "Benua Keling" (the Indian subcontinent).[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Cultural Context**: Before the English term "India" was adopted, "Keling" and "Jambu Dwipa" were Malay terms for India, with "Benua Keling" denoting the subcontinent. The term was a general reference to Indian people, not a specific ethnic or territorial group.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://x.com/uglyluhan/status/1128918680023195648)

### Keling in Singapore’s Early History
Singapore’s history as a trading hub under the Malacca Sultanate and later British rule provides context for how "Keling" was first used locally:

- **Pre-Colonial Era (Before 1819)**: The **Sejarah Melayu** describes Indian traders, likely Tamils or Cholas, engaging with the Malay Peninsula and Temasek (early Singapore). The story of **Raja Suran**, a legendary Indian KING from the Kalinga region, is notable. He is said to have led a military expedition to the Malay Peninsula, defeating local rulers like Raja Chulan of Siam and marrying into local royalty. This narrative, while romanticized, underscores the term "Keling" as a marker of Indian influence, not a slur. The term was used respectfully to denote skilled mariners and traders from India.[](http://theindianheritage.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-kelings-in-history.html)[](https://x.com/H_Bakkaniy/status/1317318762073239552)
- **Colonial Era (1819–1945)**: Under British rule, Singapore became a melting pot of Indian, Chinese, and Malay communities. The British and Dutch referred to South Indian laborers and traders, particularly from Madras and the Coromandel Coast, as "Klings" or "Clings." For example:[](https://worldofbuzz.com/4-ways-the-word-keling-was-used-back-then-and-why-its-not-okay-to-use-it-anymore/)[](https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1227410)
- A 1927 report in the *Singapore Free Press* suggested "Kling" derived from the clanking of chains worn by Indian convict laborers, but this is likely a folk etymology, as most Indians were indentured laborers, not convicts.[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)
- The term was institutionalized in place names like **Tanjong Kling Road** in Jurong and **Kapitan Keling Mosque** in Penang, where "Kapitan Keling" referred to a respected Indian community leader, such as Cauder Mohideen in the 1790s.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Neutral Usage**: In early Singapore, "Keling" was a neutral term in official and community contexts. For instance, the Hokkien phrase "Keling-a" or Malay "orang Keling" (Keling people) was used descriptively, akin to "orang Cina" for Chinese. The term appeared in street names (e.g., Penang’s Kiet-leng-a Ke) and was not inherently pejorative.[](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)

### Why "Keling" Was Considered Legitimate
Advocates for "Keling" as a non-racist term, particularly those citing its historical roots, argue:

1. **Historical Prestige**: The term’s link to the Kalinga kingdom, a maritime power under rulers like Ashoka, imbues it with cultural pride. The **Sejarah Melayu** portrays "Keling" as empire-builders, not laborers, reflecting a noble heritage. Some, like X user @maercaestro, argue it honors Indian civilization over colonial stereotypes of "estate workers."[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)[](https://x.com/H_Bakkaniy/status/1317318762073239552)
2. **Regional Usage**: In Indonesia, "Keling" retains a neutral connotation in places like **Kampung Keling** (Surabaya) or **Budakeling** (Bali), where it denotes Indian settlements without stigma. In Sabah and Sarawak, some communities use "Keling" neutrally, as confirmed by Reddit users describing it as a proper noun for Indian-run businesses.[](http://thegreatrawthers.blogspot.com/2015/09/colourful-history-of-racial-slurs.html)[](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/94bbj2/im_sorry_if_this_sounds_racist_but_is_keling_a/)
3. **Community Self-Identification**: Some Indian communities, particularly in Penang, historically used "Keling-lang" (Hokkien for Indian people) without offense. This suggests the term’s acceptability depended on context and intent.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/5ohvkz/how_and_why_did_keling_became_a_derogatory_term/)
4. **Mythical Prestige**: The **Sejarah Melayu** and Hikayat texts (e.g., Hikayat Hang Tuah) depict "Keling" figures as powerful, such as Raja Suran or Mani Puridan, a Muslim prince from Kalinga who advised the Malacca court. These narratives frame "Keling" as a term of respect, tied to India’s cultural and Islamic contributions to the Malay world.[](https://worldofbuzz.com/4-ways-the-word-keling-was-used-back-then-and-why-its-not-okay-to-use-it-anymore/)[](http://theindianheritage.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-kelings-in-history.html)[](https://x.com/dewasaid/status/1447022474147753985)
----------------------------
Source: Grok AI
 
Nothing wrong with calling local Indians 'Keling'. SDP is just overblowing it up to create more drama for this GE.

Even Malays also call them 'Orange Keling' for decades. If not call them what? Apunehneh? In fact Apunehneh is also not a racial slur as explained by older Indian man himself LOL (see below).

Keling is a legitimate term for local Indian which in fact is term of respect linked to their past south India Kingdom Kalinga, nothing racists nor slurring. This term is also used in many local area names in Jurong (Tanjong Kling Road) Penang (Kapitan Keling Mosque), Surabaya (Kampung Keling) and Bali (Budakeling)

Only PCB Kia Woke local Indian youngsters like Ariffin Sha (Wake Up SG founder) become overly sensitive by wrongly equating the term as a racial slur equivalent to 'nigger' for negros, all nonsense of their own making.

Let this old local Indian sexplain the meaning of Keling.


And this old Indian schooling a Woke young indian from Malaysia:


https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling
----------------------------
The term "Keling" has a complex history in Singapore and Southeast Asia, rooted in cultural and historical interactions but has been wrongly regarded as a derogatory slur.

### Historical Origin of "Keling"
The term "Keling" derives from the ancient Indian kingdom of **Kalinga**, located in present-day Odisha and parts of Andhra Pradesh, India. Kalinga was a powerful maritime and cultural hub from the 3rd century BCE, known for its trade networks across Southeast Asia, including the Malay Archipelago (modern-day Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Brunei). The term "Keling" (or "Kling") emerged as an exonym in Southeast Asia to refer to people from the Indian subcontinent, particularly those associated with Kalinga’s trade diaspora.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)

- **Etymology**: According to political scientist Sudama Misra, "Keling" stems from "Kalinga," with the terminal schwa sound dropped in Malay usage. The term was initially a neutral descriptor for Indian traders, mariners, and settlers, not limited to Kalinga’s inhabitants but broadly applied to South Indians, especially Tamils and Cholas.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Earliest Usage**: The term appears in the **Sejarah Melayu** (Malay Annals), a 15th–16th-century text chronicling the Malacca Sultanate. It references "Raja Shulan," a king of "Keling," and his descendant "Raja Chulan," identified by scholars as linked to the Chola dynasty of South India, not strictly Kalinga. The Annals use "Keling" positively, highlighting Indian influence in trade and politics, such as voyages to "Benua Keling" (the Indian subcontinent).[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Cultural Context**: Before the English term "India" was adopted, "Keling" and "Jambu Dwipa" were Malay terms for India, with "Benua Keling" denoting the subcontinent. The term was a general reference to Indian people, not a specific ethnic or territorial group.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://x.com/uglyluhan/status/1128918680023195648)

### Keling in Singapore’s Early History
Singapore’s history as a trading hub under the Malacca Sultanate and later British rule provides context for how "Keling" was first used locally:

- **Pre-Colonial Era (Before 1819)**: The **Sejarah Melayu** describes Indian traders, likely Tamils or Cholas, engaging with the Malay Peninsula and Temasek (early Singapore). The story of **Raja Suran**, a legendary Indian KING from the Kalinga region, is notable. He is said to have led a military expedition to the Malay Peninsula, defeating local rulers like Raja Chulan of Siam and marrying into local royalty. This narrative, while romanticized, underscores the term "Keling" as a marker of Indian influence, not a slur. The term was used respectfully to denote skilled mariners and traders from India.[](http://theindianheritage.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-kelings-in-history.html)[](https://x.com/H_Bakkaniy/status/1317318762073239552)
- **Colonial Era (1819–1945)**: Under British rule, Singapore became a melting pot of Indian, Chinese, and Malay communities. The British and Dutch referred to South Indian laborers and traders, particularly from Madras and the Coromandel Coast, as "Klings" or "Clings." For example:[](https://worldofbuzz.com/4-ways-the-word-keling-was-used-back-then-and-why-its-not-okay-to-use-it-anymore/)[](https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1227410)
- A 1927 report in the *Singapore Free Press* suggested "Kling" derived from the clanking of chains worn by Indian convict laborers, but this is likely a folk etymology, as most Indians were indentured laborers, not convicts.[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)
- The term was institutionalized in place names like **Tanjong Kling Road** in Jurong and **Kapitan Keling Mosque** in Penang, where "Kapitan Keling" referred to a respected Indian community leader, such as Cauder Mohideen in the 1790s.[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)
- **Neutral Usage**: In early Singapore, "Keling" was a neutral term in official and community contexts. For instance, the Hokkien phrase "Keling-a" or Malay "orang Keling" (Keling people) was used descriptively, akin to "orang Cina" for Chinese. The term appeared in street names (e.g., Penang’s Kiet-leng-a Ke) and was not inherently pejorative.[](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keling)[](https://en.bharatpedia.org/wiki/Keling)

### Why "Keling" Was Considered Legitimate
Advocates for "Keling" as a non-racist term, particularly those citing its historical roots, argue:

1. **Historical Prestige**: The term’s link to the Kalinga kingdom, a maritime power under rulers like Ashoka, imbues it with cultural pride. The **Sejarah Melayu** portrays "Keling" as empire-builders, not laborers, reflecting a noble heritage. Some, like X user @maercaestro, argue it honors Indian civilization over colonial stereotypes of "estate workers."[](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a-keling-in-malaysia-and-proud-of-it-the-star-columnist)[](https://x.com/H_Bakkaniy/status/1317318762073239552)
2. **Regional Usage**: In Indonesia, "Keling" retains a neutral connotation in places like **Kampung Keling** (Surabaya) or **Budakeling** (Bali), where it denotes Indian settlements without stigma. In Sabah and Sarawak, some communities use "Keling" neutrally, as confirmed by Reddit users describing it as a proper noun for Indian-run businesses.[](http://thegreatrawthers.blogspot.com/2015/09/colourful-history-of-racial-slurs.html)[](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/94bbj2/im_sorry_if_this_sounds_racist_but_is_keling_a/)
3. **Community Self-Identification**: Some Indian communities, particularly in Penang, historically used "Keling-lang" (Hokkien for Indian people) without offense. This suggests the term’s acceptability depended on context and intent.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/5ohvkz/how_and_why_did_keling_became_a_derogatory_term/)
4. **Mythical Prestige**: The **Sejarah Melayu** and Hikayat texts (e.g., Hikayat Hang Tuah) depict "Keling" figures as powerful, such as Raja Suran or Mani Puridan, a Muslim prince from Kalinga who advised the Malacca court. These narratives frame "Keling" as a term of respect, tied to India’s cultural and Islamic contributions to the Malay world.[](https://worldofbuzz.com/4-ways-the-word-keling-was-used-back-then-and-why-its-not-okay-to-use-it-anymore/)[](http://theindianheritage.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-kelings-in-history.html)[](https://x.com/dewasaid/status/1447022474147753985)
----------------------------
Source: Grok AI

Ah puh neh , ah puh neh neh , chow ahneh, pundek or shitskin then is racist.

Cake leng not really but the auntie tone carries ethnocentrism
 
Cake leng sounds better ah puh neh neh.
Yin tor lang is official way of calling. Direct translation from mandarin to hokkien.
ah puh neh neh is not so polite, so should not use. We all grew up equating ah puh neh neh with the bogeyman, thanks to our mothers and grandmothers. Even today, when I hear the word ah puh neh neh, my balls will shrink.
 
ah puh neh neh is not so polite, so should not use. We all grew up equating ah puh neh neh with the bogeyman, thanks to our mothers and grandmothers. Even today, when the I hear the word ah puh neh neh, my balls will shrink.
My mom said later ah puh neh neh come catch u.
 
Gigine Wong was disciplined like a school kid at the rally. Ariffin did not show that he has 'forgiven' her.
 
My mom said later ah puh neh neh come catch u.

Ok what, Ahpunehneh becomes associated with the police. So police become a racial slur? Siao. In fact they should feel becoming powerful and should be proud since India aspires to be world superpower, LOL.
 
May have been. It is meant to be derogatory and caused offence.:biggrin: But keling is not derogatory and should not cause offence.

Its the same lingo for Malays calling Chinese Orang Cina but if they use Babi ah then different story as its clearly derogatory.

This nonsense is all caused by young woke local Indians who twisted the phrase to associate with the word 'nigger' for negros which has a totally different connotation as explained by the old Indian schooling the Woke youngster Indian:
 
Now you know why got to be careful of klk that can suddenly out circuit & pawn own members.
 
Gigine Wong was disciplined like a school kid at the rally. Ariffin did not show that he has 'forgiven' her.
I find Gigine Wong uncouth, ugly and repulsive, would never have sex with such a woman even though she's way younger than me. Elephant (Ariffin) is behaving like a typical shitskin. Give them a bit of leeway or advantage, they will capitalise on it to the max. SDP has allowed him to play it the wrong way by giving him the chance to blow it up. Bad for SDP.
 
Its the same lingo for Malays calling Chinese Orang Cina but if they use Babi ah then different story as its clearly derogatory.

This nonsense is all caused by young woke local Indians who twisted the phrase to associate with the word 'nigger' for negros which has a totally different connotation as explained by the old Indian schooling the Woke youngster Indian:

He mentioned the two origins of the word keling, that's what most of us understand it to be too. All generations have used this word, not to be offensive but merely to refer to an indian.
 
I find Gigine Wong uncouth, ugly and repulsive, would never have sex with such a woman even though she's way younger than me. Elephant (Ariffin) is behaving like a typical shitskin. Give them a bit of leeway or advantage, they will capitalise on it to the max. SDP has allowed him to play it the wrong way by giving him the chance to blow it up. Bad for SDP.
bro, election is not a beauty contest. Whatever you have seen on the rally stage were already been pre-approved and pre-arranged by the party's leadership.
 
bro, election is not a beauty contest. Whatever you have seen on the rally stage were already been pre-approved and pre-arranged by the party's leadership.
Yes bro, but that part of Gigine Wong's speech was impromptu, not vetted.
 
I find Gigine Wong uncouth, ugly and repulsive, would never have sex with such a woman even though she's way younger than me. Elephant (Ariffin) is behaving like a typical shitskin. Give them a bit of leeway or advantage, they will capitalise on it to the max. SDP has allowed him to play it the wrong way by giving him the chance to blow it up. Bad for SDP.
She should go for a makeover and dress up to look more presentable.
 
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