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HOLY CRAP: ComfortDelGro to buy 51% of Uber's car rental business in SG!!!

I agree with most that this latest investment does not seem like a sound one. However, all these conspiracies about the government being desperate to make their company look technologically advanced, throwing tax payer's money to buy a lemon company, Temasek/GIC sweeping losses under the carpet are simply incorrect. Let me repeat again, ComfortDelgro is NOT a GLC.

By virtue of history and the fact it intertwines with the livelihood of taxi drivers, it does have various government people sitting on its board, but it is not owned by the government and any screw ups will be borne simply by its large pool of local and overseas shareholders. Not withstanding the taxi 'union' political entity, the taxi drivers themselves are not directly impacted as they can simply migrate to PHV on better terms which it seems is what many are doing now.
 
I agree with most that this latest investment does not seem like a sound one. However, all these conspiracies about the government being desperate to make their company look technologically advanced, throwing tax payer's money to buy a lemon company, Temasek/GIC sweeping losses under the carpet are simply incorrect. Let me repeat again, ComfortDelgro is NOT a GLC.

By virtue of history and the fact it intertwines with the livelihood of taxi drivers, it does have various government people sitting on its board, but it is not owned by the government and any screw ups will be borne simply by its large pool of local and overseas shareholders. Not withstanding the taxi 'union' political entity, the taxi drivers themselves are not directly impacted as they can simply migrate to PHV on better terms which it seems is what many are doing now.

CDG main shareholder is SLF which is a stat board. Of course ‘technically’ its not a GLC.
But where does SLF gets its money from?
 
Technically it is not a GLC. It is nevertheless controlled by the this Govt. It is listed like DBS and SIA but like them it is controlled by the PAP. The PAP have repeatedly stated they have a symbiotic relationship with the NTUC. Only semantics is the technical delineator in any argument. After the 1988 GE, the PAP Govt explained why they were removing an NTUC trainer from his post as he stood as a candidate against the PAP in the GE.

PA is a stat board but it does not help elected opposition member of Parliament since the Anson By-elections of 1981. The SLF which surreptitiously funds only NTUC affiliated unions is another. There are unions that have refused to join NTUC and do not receive a penny. SIA had a number of unions - cabin crew, pilots, technical and engineering unions and many of them for years refused to join NTUC even when the Govt forced then NTUC Sec Gen Lim Boon Heng on SIA's board. They were refused funding by stat board SLF. In recent times, they were captured and now in NTUC.

Thats life.

I agree with most that this latest investment does not seem like a sound one. However, all these conspiracies about the government being desperate to make their company look technologically advanced, throwing tax payer's money to buy a lemon company, Temasek/GIC sweeping losses under the carpet are simply incorrect. Let me repeat again, ComfortDelgro is NOT a GLC.

By virtue of history and the fact it intertwines with the livelihood of taxi drivers, it does have various government people sitting on its board, but it is not owned by the government and any screw ups will be borne simply by its large pool of local and overseas shareholders. Not withstanding the taxi 'union' political entity, the taxi drivers themselves are not directly impacted as they can simply migrate to PHV on better terms which it seems is what many are doing now.
 
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Uber lands investment from Singapore’s largest taxi operator in blow to rival Grab
Posted yesterday by Jon Russell (@jonrussell
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Uber has struck a major deal in Southeast Asia after ComfortDelGro, Singapore’s largest taxi operator, announced [PDF] it has agreed to buy a majority share of the ride-hailing giant’s Singapore-based car rental business.

The deal will see a joint venture valued at SG$642 million (US$474 million) established to run Uber’s Lion City Rentals subsidiary in Singapore. Comfort will spend SG$295 million to buy 51 percent in what is the largest investment outlay in its forty-plus-year history.

The deal is subject to regulatory approval, but if and when completed it will give Uber exclusive access to Comfort’s fleet of more than 15,000 vehicles in Singapore. That would more than double Uber’s driver numbers in Singapore. While its fleet has decreased over the past year, Comfort — which also operates the CityCab brand — has a dominant share of Singapore’s total of 25,325 taxis.

“ComfortDelGro has been in the taxi business for close to five decades and we have seen the industry evolve significantly. Despite the many changes that have taken place, taxis have remained a relevant option for people get around the city. The question many have been asking is: For how long?” ComfortDelGro Chairman Lim Jit Poh said in a statement.

“We are confident that taxis will be around for a long time to come. But we are also aware
that the personalised mobility business is a very different one now. By working
together, we feel that we will be able to unleash a lot of synergy which will benefit
consumers and drivers alike,” he added.

Uber and Grab compete across seven markets in Southeast Asia, while in Indonesia — Southeast Asia’s largest economy — both are widely thought to be trailing local player Go-Jek, which has grown to command a $1.2 billion valuation from investors like Tencent.

Overall, Grab claims two million drivers and more than 70 million app downloads. Uber doesn’t disclose figures for Southeast Asia, but it previously said that Asia Pacific as a whole represents over 20 percent of its global trip volume. The region, it added, has nearly 629,000 active drivers, which it said is over 25 percent of its global driver network. Uber crossed five billion rides worldwide at the end of June 2017, while Grab reached one billion last month.

With a population of around five million, Singapore represents a small fraction of Southeast Asia’s 600-million-plus consumers but it is an important and symbolic hub for the region.

Comfort, which is listed on the Singapore Stock Exchange, announced it was in talks with Uber over a “potential strategic alliance” in August so the tie-in doesn’t come out of the blue. Following that disclosure, however, Uber’s fierce rival Grab began aggressively approaching Comfort drivers with the aim of converting them to its platform. Singapore-based Today suggested that as many as 2,000 drivers were considering jumping ship, but Grab’s efforts haven’t scuppered the deal itself.


“As has been reported by the media, both companies are downsizing their fleets and are playing catch up. Grab and our taxi partners have out-innovated them and are in a strong position to grow our fleets, while keeping vehicle rental costs low for driver-partners,” Grab said in a statement to TechCrunch.

The deal Comfort is part of a new focus on business development from Uber’s recently appointed Asia Pacific chief Brooks Entwistle. A former Chairman of Goldman Sachs Southeast Asia, Entwistle told TechCrunch in a recent interview that he is focused on doing deals with governments, taxi firms and other entities that would traditionally be more akin to foes than friends of Uber.

To that end, Uber has struck deals with taxi firms in Taiwan, it inked its first mobile wallet deal in Southeast Asia with Vietnam’s Momo, and it is looking into the potential to enter the bike sharing space, Entwistle said.

The Comfort deal is a major blow to Grab, which is estimated to have built a fleet of around 10,000 licensed drivers in Singapore thanks to partnerships with Singapore’s five other taxi operators and some Comfort drivers who joined independently. (Grab claims over 150,000 drivers across all ride categories in Singapore.)

Grab was originally founded in Malaysia but it now counts Singapore as its HQ. It raised $2 billion from SoftBank and China’s Didi Chuxing in July and, while reliable market data is hard to find, most observers believe the firm has edged ahead of Uber in overall marketshare across Southeast Asia.

If Uber can hunt down influential alliances like this deal with Comfort in the other six markets where it rivals Grab in Southeast Asia then the battle is likely to be even more competitive in the future. That’s important given that the region’s ride-sharing economy is tipped to grow five-fold to reach $13.1 billion in annual revenue and 29 million customers over the next decade.
 
CDG main shareholder is SLF which is a stat board. Of course ‘technically’ its not a GLC.
But where does SLF gets its money from?

SLF does not own any shares in CDG currently. Even at CDG's formation in 2003 SLF was never a "main shareholder", it was simply a minority shareholder holding approximately 19% at its peak, legacy of the Comfort & Delgro merger. By 2006 SLF ownership was already down to only 12% and the last tranche was pared down 5 years ago IIRC. All these conspiracies linking CDG's current Uber investment decision to the government / Temasek / GIC are factually incorrect.

Does the government exert some influence on CDG in some indirect and nebulous way? I believe so, but the same can be said of many sizable privately owned local companies that are not commonly known as a GLC. The way this discussion is going makes it seem as if CDG is controlled/owned by the government just like SMRT, SIA, Singtel, Capitaland etc. and by extension any screw ups is the PAP's fault does not stand up to scrutiny.
 
You might want to explain how the PAP Cabinet has a Secretary General of NTUC in its line-up and how a PAP MP has been a Sec Gen of NTUC since 1979 without a break.

We do overselves a disservice of we cannot see the lines of control. The adage of if it walks like a duck seem to make the case.

I will be very surprised if the PM or the Minister of Finance claims that they do not have control of SIA, Capitaland, SMRT etc. These are national assets and most governments and public bodies would prefer a controlling stake. The London Tube reversed its decision to privatise the entity and it now owned and serviced by the city of London.

SLF does not own any shares in CDG currently. Even at CDG's formation in 2003 SLF was never a "main shareholder", it was simply a minority shareholder holding approximately 19% at its peak, legacy of the Comfort & Delgro merger. By 2006 SLF ownership was already down to only 12% and the last tranche was pared down 5 years ago IIRC. All these conspiracies linking CDG's current Uber investment decision to the government / Temasek / GIC are factually incorrect.

Does the government exert some influence on CDG in some indirect and nebulous way? I believe so, but the same can be said of many sizable privately owned local companies that are not commonly known as a GLC. The way this discussion is going makes it seem as if CDG is controlled/owned by the government just like SMRT, SIA, Singtel, Capitaland etc. and by extension any screw ups is the PAP's fault does not stand up to scrutiny.
 
SLF does not own any shares in CDG currently. Even at CDG's formation in 2003 SLF was never a "main shareholder", it was simply a minority shareholder holding approximately 19% at its peak, legacy of the Comfort & Delgro merger. By 2006 SLF ownership was already down to only 12% and the last tranche was pared down 5 years ago IIRC. All these conspiracies linking CDG's current Uber investment decision to the government / Temasek / GIC are factually incorrect.

Does the government exert some influence on CDG in some indirect and nebulous way? I believe so, but the same can be said of many sizable privately owned local companies that are not commonly known as a GLC. The way this discussion is going makes it seem as if CDG is controlled/owned by the government just like SMRT, SIA, Singtel, Capitaland etc. and by extension any screw ups is the PAP's fault does not stand up to scrutiny.

First you say i believe so. Then you say does not stand up to scrutiny. So which is it? This isnt a courtroom. Everyone knows every measure has been pulled to make sure comfort keeps monopoly. Grab was brought in after Uber why? Talk about missing the forest for one tree. It dossnt matter what label you want to give, comfort is a protected anjmal. It should have been fair competition, not dirty tricks to prop up every incompetent company they are tied to
 
I think you folks need to stick to the topic at hand and not go on anti-PAP ranting in different directions.

This thread as per the title is to discuss CDG's 51% investment in LCCR, a subsidiary of Uber. All I am saying is the various insinuations of PAP malfeasance with regards to this investment are uncalled for as no public monies are involved in this investment either through Temasek, GIC or SLF as the government has no economic stake in CDG. This investment's success or failures will be borne solely by the shareholders of CDG of which the government is not.

I'm not sure why you guys are bringing up matters like political machinations within the National Taxi Association, PAP appointed NTUC Secretary General, Temasek investing a minor stake in Grab or other histories of GLCs. I agree on most of these observations anyway, but this doesn't change the fact that CDG is not a GLC and therefore its latest investment is not really of public interest.

As far the taxi drivers are concerned, they are more than happy for the competition to heat up as the rental deals get sweeter for them. There has been reports of widespread defection to the Grab + 5 Taxi Co.s because of better deals. I would expect CDG + Uber to fight back soon with comparable terms and conditions.

As far as the general public users are concerned, the best outcome would be neither group lands a KO punch and they continue to throw promo codes and discount schemes which gives all of us more choices and lower fares.
 
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As far the taxi drivers are concerned, they are more than happy for the competition to heat up as the rental deals get sweeter for them. There has been reports of widespread defection to the Grab + 5 Taxi Co.s because of better deals. I would expect CDG + Uber to fight back soon with comparable terms and conditions.

As far as the general public users are concerned, the best outcome would be neither group lands a KO punch and they continue to throw promo codes and discount schemes which gives all of us more choices and lower fares.

You are optimistic. There will be no KO. I only see cdg and grab living in harmony in future. Drivers and users will be made to pay what those in control thinks is the right fare/rent.
 
The big picture is its back to monopoly land. Discussing snowflakes and not the impending avalanche is meaningless. Consumers will go back to being screwed yet again.
 
Comfort's alliance with Uber



CIMB reports that as of 16th Dec LCR's net debt is at SGD1b.

The winners in this deal are the riders and drivers. Uber & Grab will go all out to incentivise drivers and riders.


Game is on .... just received Uber's offer: Special Promotion - $5 off for your next 10 Uber rides. Valid till 24th Dec 2017 in Singapore.

From Grab: Take $6 off all rides from 11th - 17th Dec and get ready for the festive cheer.
 
620 million eventually have to come from where? peasants lah.
 
Wow thanks bro. This photo sibeh rare. I believe the starting meter is 80 cents or 1.20 when this photo is taken. Remember also have non aircon taxi which have lower starting meter price. And also black/yellow private ones.
 
Wow thanks bro. This photo sibeh rare. I believe the starting meter is 80 cents or 1.20 when this photo is taken. Remember also have non aircon taxi which have lower starting meter price. And also black/yellow private ones.
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my uncle said daily taxi rental in 1970s only about s$20/- per day.,.today taxi drivers are like coolies working for cdg. sad.:(
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In the 1960s, they numbered about 3,800 but, a decade later, the Government stopped giving out taxi licences to individuals. In comparison, there are 26,000 taxis run by five companies here today. Mr Lim started out by being a relief driver for his older brother Chwee Poh, who operated a Nissan Cedric cab under NTUC Comfort. "If you were willing to work hard, you could make about $30 a day. But you had to keep driving around to find customers," he said, adding that only the more well-to-do commuters took taxis. With NTUC Comfort, there was also the opportunity to eventually own the taxi - an arrangement which Mr Lim said was preferable to the present renter-hirer model. Under the cooperative's Vehicle Ownership Scheme, cabbies could collect a new cab by making a deposit of $500. The taxi driver would then pay NTUC Comfort a weekly amount to cover the vehicle rental fees, administrative costs and insurance coverage. After about four years, the cabbies would become proud owners of their vehicles. The taxis would last these drivers seven years before they had to be scrapped. Mr Lim said he could not remember how much the weekly fee was, but reports at that time said it was around $160. The ownership scheme, however, was phased out when NTUC Comfort became corporatised in 1993. From the 1990s, Mr Lim became a hirer, renting taxis from CityCab, Trans-Cab and SMRT at different stages of his career
 
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