Backlash against SDP if WP loses

[Goh Meng Seng]

Utter rubbish. Efforts should be put in avoiding multi corner fight instead of trying to ignite blame game.Each party will have their core supporters and nobody owes anybody anything.If people decided to go into multi corner fights, then please take it as it is. It is totally political naive and immature to blame for your inability to win or losing deposits because thats the decision you have made on your own. Be a man, to take responsibility and not behave like a whimpy spoilt kid.

As for MK, it just show that even I give it in to WP, WP doesnt have the ability to make significant dent, less defeat PAP. So be it. It is the attitude and selfish strategy that I detest but I have just made the point how blindly stupid WP can be by contesting MP and eventually scoring higher than their MK team in spite of the fact tha PAP has a heavyweiht GCT there perceived to be very popular. So be it.


Goh Meng Seng

talk rubbish again.

but one thing for sure, you are a bit smarter than that chee bye kia. you know how to count your votes and wisely get out of moulmein-kallang before they make you lose your deposit.

why don't you advise that chee bye kia and tell him to get out of punggol east?

 

[godiva]

GMS

You have no guts to compete in BE. Can only KPKB here.

Why no go BE, you scare you will be found out to be so out of depth?

 

[metalmickey]

In my view, even if SDP gets 10% and WP drop to 35%, you will already see headline on ST show "support for WP dropped!" while there may not be much on SDP. the one who is still fucked is WP.

Ifthat is what you genuinely believe I really have nothing to say.

 

[godiva]

GMS,

You have kept so quiet regarding Palmergate. You find nothing wrong with him or PAP in this scandal? So unlike you in Yawgate.

You got your PAP bonus already? Feeling rich and so start to work for them again in BE right.

 

[metalmickey]

As for MK, it just show that even I give it in to WP, WP doesnt have the ability to make significant dent, less defeat PAP. So be it. It is the attitude and selfish strategy that I detest but I have just made the point how blindly stupid WP can be by contesting MP and eventually scoring higher than their MK team in spite of the fact tha PAP has a heavyweiht GCT there perceived to be very popular. So be it.

You were lucky to have Nicole Seah in MP. You should have put all your good guys into Tampines, or all your good guys into MP. Even if you don't win it would have been 48%, 49%. It would have given you something to build on.

 

[cass888]

1. Was it you or Seb who made the decision?
2. If you did not back out of MK, would your team have lost their deposit?

As for MK, it just show that even I give it in to WP, WP doesnt have the ability to make significant dent, less defeat PAP. So be it. It is the attitude and selfish strategy that I detest but I have just made the point how blindly stupid WP can be by contesting MP and eventually scoring higher than their MK team in spite of the fact tha PAP has a heavyweiht GCT there perceived to be very popular. So be it.

 

[godiva]

Something inside GMS snapped. He is a broken man.

 

[tanwahp]

As for MK, it just show that even I give it in to WP, WP doesnt have the ability to make significant dent, less defeat PAP. So be it. It is the attitude and selfish strategy that I detest but I have just made the point how blindly stupid WP can be by contesting MP and eventually scoring higher than their MK team in spite of the fact tha PAP has a heavyweiht GCT there perceived to be very popular. So be it.

I am not surprised that you failed to mention that there was also a liability in the form of Tin Pei Ling who was unprecedented in unpopularity, if you checked the history of the PAP. That's that.

The last time we checked, MP became the highest scoring constituency of NSP. No leaders in their right mind will aim to score highest in a ward they gave the last and lowest priority to. The key leaders of NSP would have scrambled with one another for the place had they known the outcome was so favourable. Or they would have put the strongest team there. It proves MP was an aberration.

For NSP's sake I hope the support level maintains so that NSP can field a better team than the last one and give the opposition the first NSP GRC.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

It is easy to talk on hindsight without backside. TPL factor was KNOWN to EVERYBODY including WP unless you are telling me they are blind deaf or simply incompetent to understand that impact. The question then would be WHY WP insisted to spread their newbies to MK and Punggol EAST to instigate three corner fight in these places since they could have just get these people to contest in MP?

There could only be a few possibilities but I guess people will conclude together with this present situation that WP has all along wanted three or multi corner fights since last GE. As I have said, NSP contest in MP has shown how stupid WP is strategically.


Goh Meng Seng

I am not surprised that you failed to mention that there was also a liability in the form of Tin Pei Ling who was unprecedented in unpopularity, if you checked the history of the PAP. That's that.

The last time we checked, MP became the highest scoring constituency of NSP. No leaders in their right mind will aim to score highest in a ward they gave the last and lowest priority to. The key leaders of NSP would have scrambled with one another for the place had they known the outcome was so favourable. Or they would have put the strongest team there. It proves MP was an aberration.

For NSP's sake I hope the support level maintains so that NSP can field a better team than the last one and give the opposition the first NSP GRC.

 

[zhihau]

Something inside GMS snapped. He is a broken man.

truth to be told, me admired this man's tenacity in his leg work in and around the areas he worked since his madcow days, his insights were valuable and often spot on over a variety of issues... seems like you're right, something inside him snapped.

 

[zhihau]

There could only be a few possibilities but I guess people will conclude together with this present situation that WP has all along wanted three or multi corner fights since last GE.
Goh Meng Seng

then multi cornered fights seem inevitable in the long run, are we matured enough to handle it?

 

[tanwahp]

It is easy to talk on hindsight without backside.

Exactly. If NSP's score in MP was average, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

TPL factor was KNOWN to EVERYBODY including WP unless you are telling me they are blind deaf or simply incompetent to understand that impact. The question then would be WHY WP insisted to spread their newbies to MK and Punggol EAST to instigate three corner fight in these places since they could have just get these people to contest in MP?

You mean you knew TPL long ago and that she will be fielded? That's quite amazing foresight. She not an expected candidate. It's the same story with Penny Low in 2001. Add to that she started with gaffes. Without TPL and NS, PAP would have scored at least 2-3% more in MP. Which brings MP down on the opposition scale quite a bit.

There could only be a few possibilities but I guess people will conclude together with this present situation that WP has all along wanted three or multi corner fights since last GE. As I have said, NSP contest in MP has shown how stupid WP is strategically.

As what you said, if NSP has been preparing for MP for a long time and WP puts a team there, won't the same accusations against WP surface?

Frankly I don't think WP cares if they score 41% or 43%. If WP had to pull either Nee Soon or MK teams into MP to get 2% more, they rather not do it.

 

[denzuko1]

Ifthat is what you genuinely believe I really have nothing to say.

It is not what I believe and it is how the MSM will spin, giving meaning to the people who read it.

SDP has not competed in this ward before and if with a simple walk on the ground and it can gain 10% share, it will tells a lot on true support for WP.

WP have to maintain 41% or higher to show case success.

Please note that we are discussing this hypotetically.

 

[yellowarse]

then multi cornered fights seem inevitable in the long run, are we matured enough to handle it?

If opposition leaders and their supporters are not mature enough to form a PK-like alliance, then MCF are inevitable, whether the electorate likes it or not.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

These people wont understand that. They are in self denial that there are hardcore opposition supporters who would rather vote other parties instead of WP.TOO FULL of themselves to realize that they do not have the whole pie to eat it.


Goh Meng Seng

It is not what I believe and it is how the MSM will spin, giving meaning to the people who read it.

SDP has not competed in this ward before and if with a simple walk on the ground and it can gain 10% share, it will tells a lot on true support for WP.

WP have to maintain 41% or higher to show case success.

Please note that we are discussing this hypotetically.

 

[denzuko1]

These people wont understand that. They are in self denial that there are hardcore opposition supporters who would rather vote other parties instead of WP.TOO FULL of themselves to realize that they do not have the whole pie to eat it.


Goh Meng Seng

Agree with you on this matter. Therefore a set back would actually be a good wake up call.

 

[zhihau]

They are in self denial that there are hardcore opposition supporters who would rather vote other parties instead of WP.
Goh Meng Seng

this me fully agree, there is a sizable group of moderates whom would throw their votes to neither PAP nor WP, a multi cornered fight will reveal that crack. but for a start, no jokers like DL, pretty please? :p:p:p

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

May be WP people are too used to luck factor, just tikam and hope people will let go but I dont. You are again talking hindsight without backside here.Did you anticipate NS to have such impact prior to GE ? You dont but I do. Period.

Goh Meng Seng

You were lucky to have Nicole Seah in MP. You should have put all your good guys into Tampines, or all your good guys into MP. Even if you don't win it would have been 48%, 49%. It would have given you something to build on.

 

[tanwahp]

You are again talking hindsight without backside here.Did you anticipate NS to have such impact prior to GE ? You dont but I do. Period.

Of course you would expect all your candidates to have an impact. Or why will you field them?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I can tell you straight most of the people either dont think its good idea or even laughed at it when the idea of contesting MP were brought up. I convinced Seb and he agreed with it and both of us lobbied and tried to convince potential candidates. We work as a team to get this done.

There is no if on such situation and nobody will know the end results of alternate outcome until you do it. Obviously once you decide, dont whine.

Goh Meng Seng

1. Was it you or Seb who made the decision?
2. If you did not back out of MK, would your team have lost their deposit?