Underage prostitute case - shrewd, calculated defence move by Subhas Anandan

[cunnilaubu]

There is section 377A relating to unnatural sex in our penal code.

Where is the section 377D?...pls cite me a site.

Section 377D of Penal Code - Mistake as to age

 

[Sir_Fcuk]

Yes, unfortunately, u are right, this is a singapore brand of justice. The verdicts have already been determined.

If the others get away scot free then the principal who served 6 weeks can go bang his balls.....

 

[halsey02]

If the others get away scot free then the principal who served 6 weeks can go bang his balls.....

He found God, after banging his balls...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

the docu evidence is contemporaneous corroborative evidence...the pimp n prostitute shall prolly hv to provide testimony as well...all in sld be sufficient to get a conviction...

Honestly can you convict a person basing just on HP data and the pro's diaries. These info only serve to confirm that they have a meeting / transaction. But can the prosecution proved that a physical act / penetration had been committed to consumate an act of sex. You probably need more such as DNA, sperm etc.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

look u hv raised this issue of entrapment wifout any basis whatsoever...u hv nothing...yet u keep arguing n going ard n ard in circles...

and why do u presume tat the govt's head is on the chopping block in this case??...yet another baseless assertion...

anyways back to yr entrapment rubbish...the fact tat the prostitute was underaged when all these transactions occurred clearly demonstrates tat yr theory is totally flawed...can u imagine govt authority using an underaged prostitute in such a sting where the act of sexual intercourse n other sexual acts actually took place...wake up n the smell the coffee dude...

How remarkably illogical.

If we extend your logic,LKY never lost a case against JBJ.So,I also can bet with you 110% that not many dare takes LKY to court in Singapore.

It's quite easy to bet on the outcome of Singapore's court proceedings where the government's head is on the chopping block.Agree?

Of course, you could care less whether you agree with me or not. Which is the same as saying that I could not care less whether you agree with me. There, we have now scientifically proved that we can say whatever we please and we could not care less whether you could make sense of what the reality is.

 

[cunnilaubu]

For entrapment to stand, all parties have to be in collusion. The OKT got slapped with some 60 charges. Entrapment? Get a life!

 

[Nice-Gook]

There are entrapment and there arree entrapment.

Sorry,I overestimated the wisdom of some posters here who ought to know the difference.

Simple folks thinks simply.

If your idea of entrapment arise out of some spy thrillers...like catch hold of an under-aged lassie to perform all sorts of carnal acts on unsuspecting victim as a national service;that you are in for a deep disappointment.Not that underaged girlies are difficult to come by these days but the top cops are more likely to screw first--and may even live happily ever after.

So,what gives?

I had already posted my presumptions in another thread.The possibility of our vice squad stumbling on this case ;perhaps tipped off most likely since our vice squad exists for the sake of existing only.Since,it's no brainier that our vice squad can cruise their vehicle on any given day/night in Geylang or hourly motels and pick up tons of colorful characters any time any day.Some of which will certainly be under-aged.The moot being vice squad is not short of cases.There are tons and tons in our sin city.

So my speculation.

Our cops allowed the vice of an under aged girl to fester.Read my lips,allowed it to fester.

From here onwards one could contemplate many possibilities.
()a possibility that the cops monitored and recorded many more clients over a long period before closing in.
()a possibility the cops trapped some unwitting clients by enticing them.
()a possibility they pick and choose who to fuck up and who to let go scott free.

So,how does these possibilities arose ?

Because,catching more than 80 over clients for the same 1 girlie over a period of months raises those possibilities.Sorry,eyebrows actually.Why?

Because under normal circumstances....clients or prostitutes are caught with their pants down--literally.And it's never over a stretch of period for these many clients.And pimps invariably never keeps records,save for some regular clients.And even if they do it's nothing more than phone numbers.And clients who are chongsters knows the game rather well,caveat emptor....Because,fuckers who are fucking behind their families usually never leave their name cards behind.Because it makes good sense.And most transactions are in cash.In short,clients of prostitution treats their pimps like a toilet--use and walk off.

That is the name of the game in this industry.

This is where everything stinks about our police version.You can't just prosecute a person even if you catch him physically with an underaged girl in a brothel.Sure,you can prove the intent.But how are the cops gonna prove the penetration?The law is very specific on this.No penetration--no guilt.

Which leads to the evidences the cops gathered or have to prove the guilt.And that's where the chink is.How did they gathered this much of evidences over such a long period of time---for so many people?

 

[Tension68]

Errrr bro don't mind I say something about your argument ha. First of all I must say this is a stupid law - can fuck young girl but cannot pay young girl. Ok come back to your post: I think as a business transaction we customer or seller can request for ID. In States if a young waitress ask me a 50 year old man to show ID before she want to serve me drinks I lan lan also must show. My point is those men had the right and even the opportunity to clarify her age but they did not. Ok say she don't want to show then don't buy la simple as that. Your other argument that some girls might pretend to be underage to threaten clients this makes it even more important for clients to check.

The rest I 100% agree with you. Yes the law is unfair. knn rich man pay $1000 for lying to police normal people must go jail. PAP :oIo::oIo::oIo:

Sorry for this late reply.
Ok, the buying of beer you mentioned.. if sale of beer is legal and got age limit, you being the buyer and the person selling is to check ur age.. is nothing wrong for them to ask for verification.
but in this case.. we all know pimps (besides those in legal geylang houses) are breaking the law by taking the earnings of the gals they promote. The women's charter i believe states that no one should profit from such activities (not sure of the whole thing lah.. )
so.. if they know pimp is illegal uf not in legal geylang house.. and pimp tell them got gal.. without tell them gal is underage.. is that not lying to them?
it is quite well known that Sg has already laws to prosecute ppl who go other countries and pay for underage boys and gals for sex.
besides, if they pimp tell u de gal is a local.. even if u wan to ask for identification to check age.. u think the gal will give?
Try asking frm Fls.. n see if they let u see their passports.. y? cos most, if not all.. are not using their real names and prefer that king of anonymity.

If this case has taught anyone a lesson.. is that trying FLs who claim they are 18 and above.. is a risk.. unless there is real verification.. for the law is on the side of the gals.. not the men.

 

[Kuailan]

Looking at this old mama fake eye lashes, it should be called "Eye awning"

 

[Kinana]

There is no master stroke by Subhas Ananda, the men will be convicted based on the girl's records and the pimp's testimony alone which are sufficient to prove guilt.
You see, in a desparate situation for the accused like this case, the men will grasp on to any naive straws put forward by Subhas. Of course, its his job to create any straws for these desperate men as well, hoping for a miracle to happen.
However, Singapore laws and courts are no nonsence one.
I hope the judge give the men heavier sentence than the Pei Hwa principal to teach them a lesson not to be so naive next time.

I am still waiting for the other 40 or so men to be charged.

peace

 

[Kinana]

Scroo, I guarantee u the girl will crack. U already know the questions that Subhas will ask. I know what they are and a smart chap like u will know too. No matter how well the girl is coached by the prosecution, she cannot withstand it.

SUbhas will ask questions like
"in your time in Singapore working as a prostitute, how many customers did you have sex with?" 500? 1000? 2000? "If so, do you have a photographic memory or do you just happen to remember the faces of all these men accused here?"

You are mistaken. You think a seasoned girl like that prostitute will crack under questioning by subhas?
I have seen and been thru all these many times over. This is not the movies sir where a lawyer cracks the witness. Even if she was ever to be cross examined, it will amount to nothing. All the prostitute needs to do is to tell the plain truth and subhas will get stuck and embarassed for sure.

 

[ThePlen]

i wonder if the prosecution really gives a shit about protecting the c-cup prostitute. it is easier to focus on the case instead of thinking of how to keep her identity secret.

 

[Papsmearer]

You are mistaken. You think a seasoned girl like that prostitute will crack under questioning by subhas?
I have seen and been thru all these many times over. This is not the movies sir where a lawyer cracks the witness. Even if she was ever to be cross examined, it will amount to nothing. All the prostitute needs to do is to tell the plain truth and subhas will get stuck and embarassed for sure.

a 14/15 year old girl is seasoned? what is the plain truth for this girl? That she can categorically remember in detail all the men she fucked? Get a brain, moron.

 

[Papsmearer]

Your agrument makes sense, but how then did the men get charged if there is no hard evidence.

read the comments. Its political. PAP has been under international pressure for a while now over allowing human trafficking for prostitution in singapore. U can see this everywhere, every other female let into the country on social or work pass is a beer girl, massage girl, etc. so, they have to conduct a wayang show trial to demonstrate that they are doing something about it.

 

[newbird9403]

read the comments. Its political. PAP has been under international pressure for a while now over allowing human trafficking for prostitution in singapore. U can see this everywhere, every other female let into the country on social or work pass is a beer girl, massage girl, etc. so, they have to conduct a wayang show trial to demonstrate that they are doing something about it.

But this case is different. It is about a Singapore girl not another one of those foreigners etc. Pardon me but really I failed to see and political link here.

 

[Kinana]

a 14/15 year old girl is seasoned? what is the plain truth for this girl? That she can categorically remember in detail all the men she fucked? Get a brain, moron.

She was 17 you son of a Butch. She's is 19 now

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

a little knowledge is dangerous...also illustrates vanity n foolishness at the same time...

First u raise entrapment n now u come up wif this drivel?...do u even understand wat constitutes a legal defence of entrapment?...yr so called scenarios mean diddly squat viz the legal defence of entrapment...

Also u seem to know nothing abt collecting evidence viz vice activities related to the internet platform n mobile communications, which is case specfic to this v case...

Get proper legal advice than come bk n talk...

There are entrapment and there arree entrapment.

Sorry,I overestimated the wisdom of some posters here who ought to know the difference.

Simple folks thinks simply.

If your idea of entrapment arise out of some spy thrillers...like catch hold of an under-aged lassie to perform all sorts of carnal acts on unsuspecting victim as a national service;that you are in for a deep disappointment.Not that underaged girlies are difficult to come by these days but the top cops are more likely to screw first--and may even live happily ever after.

So,what gives?

I had already posted my presumptions in another thread.The possibility of our vice squad stumbling on this case ;perhaps tipped off most likely since our vice squad exists for the sake of existing only.Since,it's no brainier that our vice squad can cruise their vehicle on any given day/night in Geylang or hourly motels and pick up tons of colorful characters any time any day.Some of which will certainly be under-aged.The moot being vice squad is not short of cases.There are tons and tons in our sin city.

So my speculation.

Our cops allowed the vice of an under aged girl to fester.Read my lips,allowed it to fester.

From here onwards one could contemplate many possibilities.
()a possibility that the cops monitored and recorded many more clients over a long period before closing in.
()a possibility the cops trapped some unwitting clients by enticing them.
()a possibility they pick and choose who to fuck up and who to let go scott free.

So,how does these possibilities arose ?

Because,catching more than 80 over clients for the same 1 girlie over a period of months raises those possibilities.Sorry,eyebrows actually.Why?

Because under normal circumstances....clients or prostitutes are caught with their pants down--literally.And it's never over a stretch of period for these many clients.And pimps invariably never keeps records,save for some regular clients.And even if they do it's nothing more than phone numbers.And clients who are chongsters knows the game rather well,caveat emptor....Because,fuckers who are fucking behind their families usually never leave their name cards behind.Because it makes good sense.And most transactions are in cash.In short,clients of prostitution treats their pimps like a toilet--use and walk off.

That is the name of the game in this industry.

This is where everything stinks about our police version.You can't just prosecute a person even if you catch him physically with an underaged girl in a brothel.Sure,you can prove the intent.But how are the cops gonna prove the penetration?The law is very specific on this.No penetration--no guilt.

Which leads to the evidences the cops gathered or have to prove the guilt.And that's where the chink is.How did they gathered this much of evidences over such a long period of time---for so many people?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Absolutely...this case is just based on the law n evidence...plain n simple...no politics no so called entrapment mumbo jumbo etc...i stand corrected but i get the impression tat police vice first brought down this internet pimp n then later discovered tat one of his gals was underage n local to boot...then the fun part began...

But this case is different. It is about a Singapore girl not another one of those foreigners etc. Pardon me but really I failed to see and political link here.

 

[Nice-Gook]

a little knowledge is dangerous...also illustrates vanity n foolishness at the same time...

First u raise entrapment n now u come up wif this drivel?...do u even understand wat constitutes a legal defence of entrapment?...yr so called scenarios mean diddly squat viz the legal defence of entrapment...

Also u seem to know nothing abt collecting evidence viz vice activities related to the internet platform n mobile communications, which is case specfic to this v case...

Get proper legal advice than come bk n talk...

Yes,little knowledge is dangerous....look at the mirror and take a deep bow.

Read my lips....or read my post.This is what I had said

That's what I would fish for if I were Subhas.

Here is the clue.About 80 documented cases.You mean the pimp kept such a detailed record of his ex clients?....over a period of months too.

I am not saying there is an entrapment.But it cannot be ruled out.

And all your subsequent posts just tried to fit me into your little squares and circles.

So who iillustrates vanity,foolishness and even some obnoxious pompousness now?Again look at the mirror and take a deep bow.

Drivel?....you say drivel !

I have painted the possibilities.Read my lips once more.Or read my post

So my speculation.

Our cops allowed the vice of an under aged girl to fester.Read my lips,allowed it to fester.

From here onwards one could contemplate many possibilities.
()a possibility that the cops monitored and recorded many more clients over a long period before closing in.
()a possibility the cops trapped some unwitting clients by enticing them.
()a possibility they pick and choose who to fuck up and who to let go scott free.

And when defense lawyers fishes for those possibilities....and even if the police actions does not exactly matches the technicalities of entrapment....the morality of police deliberately festering the crime will be a public out cry.

And Oh,yes! the internet platform and mobile communications does reveal contacts and conversation---most probably between the pimp and clients.But whether you communicated is not on trial.But whether penetration took place between an under aged girlie and adults is.Can you prove that Mr.Wannbe lawyer?

 

[Papsmearer]

She was 17 you son of a Butch. She's is 19 now

The age of consent is 16 in singapore, you dumb fuck.

The age of consent in Singapore is 16 for all opposite-sex activity and only female same-sex sexual activity: Section 140: (1) Any person who – (...) (i) has carnal connection with any girl below the age of 16 years except by way of marriage (...) – shall be guilty of an offence

If she is 17 as u claim, than there is no underage sex case.

SInce she must have been 15 when she engaged in sex with these men, and due to the high number of customers, it can be safely assume she did this for more than a year, which would put her at 14 when she started.