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Elfred on Wed, 9th Dec 2009 8:32 pm
Put it this way, it’s hence Chiam was somehow forced to resigned over a party he has lost control over. And who had it in control literally took over.
Accordingly, Dr Chee went on a strike because a PAP MP sacked him, without Chiam’s acknowledgement. Now what if Ling How Doong organises an assassination over Lee Kuan Yew as a SDP member grouping without Dr Chee’s acknowledgement?
Then Dr Chee lost control of SDP’s CEC, and Ling How Doong took over? I mean, what if, and how does that sound?
The point is, Dr Chee NEVER got elected before, yet he was to succeed Mr Chiam in SDP, after Chiam resigned. As we have seen so far, Dr Chee still led SDP into protests and such after Mr Chiam lost control and had to go, and what happened to SDP members?
So… Politically speaking, Dr Chee took over Mr Chiam who unwillingly had to step down… because if going by Dr Chee’s leadership, Mr Chiam could likely a bankrupt by now. So, is it really that far off to say that Mr Chiam had to leave a SDP under Dr Chee?
My view…
Wake up on Wed, 9th Dec 2009 10:01 pm
Elfred, I think your English Comprehension skills are very poor. Please read the post again. Re-read the part written on TODAY, 10 March 2009.
deoxin, if a disobediance of a WRONG law is called a “cult”, then what do you call mental switch off to things you know that is wong, disobeying to your own conscious, ignoring your own moral standing, and shamelessly defying logic?!?
Elfred on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:16 am
Wake Up,
I am just putting things very simply from all angles. Today had Dr Chee’s own words, but so would MM, the MPs, and all oppositions’ own views. Just because Dr Chee said so doesn’t mean anything.
Remember at one time, an SPP was talking also about Chiam’s ‘ousting’. Can’t remember, but Chiam seemed to be at the invitation of another joined SPP instead.
Assuming this, would the MM resigned his own PAP (the party he helmed) the way Dr Chee described Chiam did??? And why would a never elected newbie Dr Chee be ending up the party head? You assume me to just take in his own words without THINKING?
It’s ridiculous!
You assumed Chiam and the rest who left SDP to form SPP to just ‘resign’ and never got ousted… In political sense, it makes little sense… say, MM started PAP, and he ‘resigned’ peaceful while in politics, and go and start PPP… Nosense.
Dr Chee must have left out something important… something that made him the head of SDP without even elected or what, something so gross that Chiam HAD TO go, with resignation or whatever. It’s HIS party that he HAD TO go. Got it? It’s already some sort of ousting.
So Wake Up, you got any insight?
It’s just like you expect Chiam to sponsor MM Lee when (assuming) they are loggerheads. Something must have been left out. Dr Chee’s version dosn’t make sense. Because there is NO way I’d believe that Chiam resigned from SDP with Dr Chee took over without ‘Ousting’, since it is being very obvious, Chiam has never the thought of exiting politics, and SDP was his flagship!
Doesn’t make political cow sense. It’s not about English comprehension.
lee hsien tau on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:18 am
Elfred,
Chee couldn’t take over SDP without SDP CEC’s acquiescence.
Chiam See Tong is someone whose only interest is to take care of his own backside, and he can’t do that playing second fiddle. (At that point in time, there was no question of bankruptcy. You’re using hindsight to argue your point, very PAPpy dog like. White dogs have a bad temperament, I hear.)
Otherwise, you could say the same of WP. Low took over, and an unwilling JBJ had to resign?
lee hsien tau on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:26 am
Dr Chee will just be attending a dinner.
Nothing to suggest the two men have long buried their differences and are on cordial terms.
If you’d just review the recent RP function (to which the Prataman was invited, but did not attend) Youtube video, Dr Chee stood on the same stage as the rest of the Ministars wannabe, but stood well to one side.
Bankrupts have their self-respect too. Why mix with aspirant ‘opposition’ millionaires.
Elfred on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 2:10 am
Lee Hsien Tau,
Look, Cold Storage came and before that, Lim Chin Siong… Everybody knew what the gahmen was about. It was just there you are on the opposite side, I don’t like it and here you go. I am not saying that the oppositions were good or not.
What I am saying is this… Dr Chee’s style, right from the beginning is very ‘hot’. It’s simply like someone who doesn’t really check things out before moving out. And why, besides Ling How Doong an elected-MP, we have such a hot-headed rookie who could garner the support of the CEC? That’s what I am focusing. And how is that the CEC kicked away an elected MP, the leader who started SDP and chose Dr Chee?
Do you know what this means in politics?
Betrayal.
You said Chiam only look after his own backside, but SDP under him got more than himself into parliament. Is it his problem or the problems of those who said so? And who approved Dr Chee’s insertion into a relatively new and small SDP?
Would it be someone else to sign any membership (cards) than Chiam?
You see, the way Dr Chee put it is all too simple. He’s blatantly explaining it as if Chiam went on all the troubles to start a SDP just to resign with no issues and him the rookies to be taking over… It’s like if Lee Kuan Yew were to resign and Lim Chin Siong took over, it’s not ousted.
You don’t treat Chiam who started the party like that. Dr Chee’s Today ‘revelation’ went nowhere. And you are calling me dogs and PAP dogs when I am no longer with PAP.
At that point, you would have already realised that such meaningless confrontational approach against the incumbent is not going to be good. It’s not as if that MP (remember what ex-comrade Mah said: You are ONLY an MP) killed his father or raped his mother… It’s very obvious SDP’s rise tumbled after Dr Chee got to head SDP. He’s leading himself initially the wrong way, and SDP got him to lead the SDP into crushing defeat.
Is that hence not something wrong?
Surprisingly, the CEC actually chose a rookie after Chiam got ousted. And I will the term ‘ousted’ naturally.
Chiam of course won’t play second fiddle. The CEC has all the intention to replace him, who started the party, with a rookie like Dr Chee… Not to say he started SDP, the whole choice of the leadership and the people making the choice didn’t justify. Not to say, Chiam got elected again and again.
You can call me Dogs and other defamatory things, but… if you are going to convince anybody, you must use some brains. Dr Chee himself doesn’t really understand he’s making a big hole in a story he needs to fill. It’s still ‘ousted’, got it?
Do you think if MM Lee were to offer Elfred the role of his Minister Mentor… do you think I can just grab? Do you think if I do grab, what will the rest do? Can I get their support? But amazingly, you all are explaining as if once Chiam has no more choice, he’d ‘happily’ resign or accept or pass his throne to Dr Chee…
Does it make any political cow sense?
Is it REALLY because Chiam only cares for himself, or Dr Chee has something else backing him up… such as some… foreigners? Look, I also dun know, so we guess. Because calling me dogs… you must have the brains to justify.
Low does took over, but you must remember, Low WAS not the one who started WP or Labor Front, not JBJ. Your political common sense is starting to agitate me. You check Chiam… he thought he needed a party for election, that was why he went about starting SDP. And SDP did well under his leadership, the people like his honest image…
Then now, you come and say, Chiam left happily, no conflict, he resigned and CEC’s problem… Yes. This is a big problem, because CEC’s choice made no sense from the start. You said Chiam only cares for his backside… But Dr Chee went on hunger strike against this MP boss, had he cared to discuss his move in advance with Chiam? And then you belittle Chiam here… telling me he only cares for himself.
But the fact is, his followers started SPP so that this Chiam who only cares for himself can be the leader. And yes… SPP has an MP, SDP has never an MP since…
You don’t make sense, you can call me whatever you want. However, remember, if you can’t justify your labels on myself… you make it a habit on other people, you go to court.
So here, the point is definitely not Chiam not willing to play second fiddle. The point is, why change a winning composition to risk a change? People usually change only when they are losing. If you betting on a football team, and that team’s coach always win, would you want the team to change coach?
Don’t talk nosense… especially on politics with Elfred.
Robox on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 2:59 am
STOP BAWLING!
Er…I mean, “Stop Bawling, you PAP + Other pposition Parties’ IBs!”
Yes, this is indeed a sad day. For SDP bashers, that is.
In one stroke, several of their standard-issue lines that were personally prepackaged for them by the Chief Executive of IB, Lee Kuan Yew can no longer be used.
SDP bashers go through a very stringent selection process and are appointed on the basis that their minds are blank slates on which their Chief Executive can write ANYTHING.
This leaves the SDP Bashing Team the very scary prospect of doing the previously unimaginable: thinking for themselves instead of being led around by their noses by The Great Manipulator of Feeble Minds, Lee Kuan Yew.
Yes, I would be bawling too.
Elfred on Wed, 9th Dec 2009 8:32 pm
Put it this way, it’s hence Chiam was somehow forced to resigned over a party he has lost control over. And who had it in control literally took over.
Accordingly, Dr Chee went on a strike because a PAP MP sacked him, without Chiam’s acknowledgement. Now what if Ling How Doong organises an assassination over Lee Kuan Yew as a SDP member grouping without Dr Chee’s acknowledgement?
Then Dr Chee lost control of SDP’s CEC, and Ling How Doong took over? I mean, what if, and how does that sound?
The point is, Dr Chee NEVER got elected before, yet he was to succeed Mr Chiam in SDP, after Chiam resigned. As we have seen so far, Dr Chee still led SDP into protests and such after Mr Chiam lost control and had to go, and what happened to SDP members?
So… Politically speaking, Dr Chee took over Mr Chiam who unwillingly had to step down… because if going by Dr Chee’s leadership, Mr Chiam could likely a bankrupt by now. So, is it really that far off to say that Mr Chiam had to leave a SDP under Dr Chee?
My view…
Wake up on Wed, 9th Dec 2009 10:01 pm
Elfred, I think your English Comprehension skills are very poor. Please read the post again. Re-read the part written on TODAY, 10 March 2009.
deoxin, if a disobediance of a WRONG law is called a “cult”, then what do you call mental switch off to things you know that is wong, disobeying to your own conscious, ignoring your own moral standing, and shamelessly defying logic?!?
Elfred on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:16 am
Wake Up,
I am just putting things very simply from all angles. Today had Dr Chee’s own words, but so would MM, the MPs, and all oppositions’ own views. Just because Dr Chee said so doesn’t mean anything.
Remember at one time, an SPP was talking also about Chiam’s ‘ousting’. Can’t remember, but Chiam seemed to be at the invitation of another joined SPP instead.
Assuming this, would the MM resigned his own PAP (the party he helmed) the way Dr Chee described Chiam did??? And why would a never elected newbie Dr Chee be ending up the party head? You assume me to just take in his own words without THINKING?
It’s ridiculous!
You assumed Chiam and the rest who left SDP to form SPP to just ‘resign’ and never got ousted… In political sense, it makes little sense… say, MM started PAP, and he ‘resigned’ peaceful while in politics, and go and start PPP… Nosense.
Dr Chee must have left out something important… something that made him the head of SDP without even elected or what, something so gross that Chiam HAD TO go, with resignation or whatever. It’s HIS party that he HAD TO go. Got it? It’s already some sort of ousting.
So Wake Up, you got any insight?
It’s just like you expect Chiam to sponsor MM Lee when (assuming) they are loggerheads. Something must have been left out. Dr Chee’s version dosn’t make sense. Because there is NO way I’d believe that Chiam resigned from SDP with Dr Chee took over without ‘Ousting’, since it is being very obvious, Chiam has never the thought of exiting politics, and SDP was his flagship!
Doesn’t make political cow sense. It’s not about English comprehension.
lee hsien tau on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:18 am
Elfred,
Chee couldn’t take over SDP without SDP CEC’s acquiescence.
Chiam See Tong is someone whose only interest is to take care of his own backside, and he can’t do that playing second fiddle. (At that point in time, there was no question of bankruptcy. You’re using hindsight to argue your point, very PAPpy dog like. White dogs have a bad temperament, I hear.)
Otherwise, you could say the same of WP. Low took over, and an unwilling JBJ had to resign?
lee hsien tau on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 12:26 am
Dr Chee will just be attending a dinner.
Nothing to suggest the two men have long buried their differences and are on cordial terms.
If you’d just review the recent RP function (to which the Prataman was invited, but did not attend) Youtube video, Dr Chee stood on the same stage as the rest of the Ministars wannabe, but stood well to one side.
Bankrupts have their self-respect too. Why mix with aspirant ‘opposition’ millionaires.
Elfred on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 2:10 am
Lee Hsien Tau,
Look, Cold Storage came and before that, Lim Chin Siong… Everybody knew what the gahmen was about. It was just there you are on the opposite side, I don’t like it and here you go. I am not saying that the oppositions were good or not.
What I am saying is this… Dr Chee’s style, right from the beginning is very ‘hot’. It’s simply like someone who doesn’t really check things out before moving out. And why, besides Ling How Doong an elected-MP, we have such a hot-headed rookie who could garner the support of the CEC? That’s what I am focusing. And how is that the CEC kicked away an elected MP, the leader who started SDP and chose Dr Chee?
Do you know what this means in politics?
Betrayal.
You said Chiam only look after his own backside, but SDP under him got more than himself into parliament. Is it his problem or the problems of those who said so? And who approved Dr Chee’s insertion into a relatively new and small SDP?
Would it be someone else to sign any membership (cards) than Chiam?
You see, the way Dr Chee put it is all too simple. He’s blatantly explaining it as if Chiam went on all the troubles to start a SDP just to resign with no issues and him the rookies to be taking over… It’s like if Lee Kuan Yew were to resign and Lim Chin Siong took over, it’s not ousted.
You don’t treat Chiam who started the party like that. Dr Chee’s Today ‘revelation’ went nowhere. And you are calling me dogs and PAP dogs when I am no longer with PAP.
At that point, you would have already realised that such meaningless confrontational approach against the incumbent is not going to be good. It’s not as if that MP (remember what ex-comrade Mah said: You are ONLY an MP) killed his father or raped his mother… It’s very obvious SDP’s rise tumbled after Dr Chee got to head SDP. He’s leading himself initially the wrong way, and SDP got him to lead the SDP into crushing defeat.
Is that hence not something wrong?
Surprisingly, the CEC actually chose a rookie after Chiam got ousted. And I will the term ‘ousted’ naturally.
Chiam of course won’t play second fiddle. The CEC has all the intention to replace him, who started the party, with a rookie like Dr Chee… Not to say he started SDP, the whole choice of the leadership and the people making the choice didn’t justify. Not to say, Chiam got elected again and again.
You can call me Dogs and other defamatory things, but… if you are going to convince anybody, you must use some brains. Dr Chee himself doesn’t really understand he’s making a big hole in a story he needs to fill. It’s still ‘ousted’, got it?
Do you think if MM Lee were to offer Elfred the role of his Minister Mentor… do you think I can just grab? Do you think if I do grab, what will the rest do? Can I get their support? But amazingly, you all are explaining as if once Chiam has no more choice, he’d ‘happily’ resign or accept or pass his throne to Dr Chee…
Does it make any political cow sense?
Is it REALLY because Chiam only cares for himself, or Dr Chee has something else backing him up… such as some… foreigners? Look, I also dun know, so we guess. Because calling me dogs… you must have the brains to justify.
Low does took over, but you must remember, Low WAS not the one who started WP or Labor Front, not JBJ. Your political common sense is starting to agitate me. You check Chiam… he thought he needed a party for election, that was why he went about starting SDP. And SDP did well under his leadership, the people like his honest image…
Then now, you come and say, Chiam left happily, no conflict, he resigned and CEC’s problem… Yes. This is a big problem, because CEC’s choice made no sense from the start. You said Chiam only cares for his backside… But Dr Chee went on hunger strike against this MP boss, had he cared to discuss his move in advance with Chiam? And then you belittle Chiam here… telling me he only cares for himself.
But the fact is, his followers started SPP so that this Chiam who only cares for himself can be the leader. And yes… SPP has an MP, SDP has never an MP since…
You don’t make sense, you can call me whatever you want. However, remember, if you can’t justify your labels on myself… you make it a habit on other people, you go to court.
So here, the point is definitely not Chiam not willing to play second fiddle. The point is, why change a winning composition to risk a change? People usually change only when they are losing. If you betting on a football team, and that team’s coach always win, would you want the team to change coach?
Don’t talk nosense… especially on politics with Elfred.
Robox on Thu, 10th Dec 2009 2:59 am
STOP BAWLING!
Er…I mean, “Stop Bawling, you PAP + Other pposition Parties’ IBs!”
Yes, this is indeed a sad day. For SDP bashers, that is.
In one stroke, several of their standard-issue lines that were personally prepackaged for them by the Chief Executive of IB, Lee Kuan Yew can no longer be used.
SDP bashers go through a very stringent selection process and are appointed on the basis that their minds are blank slates on which their Chief Executive can write ANYTHING.
This leaves the SDP Bashing Team the very scary prospect of doing the previously unimaginable: thinking for themselves instead of being led around by their noses by The Great Manipulator of Feeble Minds, Lee Kuan Yew.
Yes, I would be bawling too.
