Temasek Holdings wants Temasek Review website to change its name

[scroobal]

The site would be blocked or taken down if national security is a concern. The technical term in the industry is " site takedown" The main feed is controlled by Singtel and there are arrangements in place with ISPs around the world. This is the same mechanism that is used to control online pedophilia, online arms and contraband trade. For internal monitoring, there is a whole suite of vendors and applications that can do the same.

If the people behind this is more than one person and their identities are not known, the authorities would have done the trace or they would have blocked it. The primary concern is foreign agencies such as Malaysia and the US playing around with our internal politics.

The intelligence agencies obviously know who is behind it and will not move until a genuine threat is present. He does a service to the establishment by
projecting that dissent and opposition to the govt is active and present and this pleases first world investors who are facing pressure from their own local NGOs. The bonus is that he does something worse to the opposition - the character assassination of individuals associated with opposition.

One must be silly to think that TR is fighting a rearguard action and the authorities have not been able to tackle them. Get real.

Here is single example and those who know the history will understand. Joe has made numerous attempts to hire editors and even personalities like Tan Kin Lian but failed because he refused to disclose his identity. He however managed to screw Kent Ridge Common by persuading Kelvin to do some thing that he should not have done and the premature registration of "Kent Ridge Review" to be run by Kelvin failed. The site is still registered and hosted by the same TR servers. By now you must know that NUS authorities stepped in and sought the removal of Kelvin as they did the democracy wall, the protest on social engineering and the tuition fee increase. He however manage to engage his correspondent Khalil Adis to write articles and has paid him. Those records can be traced because of AML. If you do not know what AML is , best to step away. Others like Gilbert Goh, Yoong, and Ng are freely submitting and they are looking for maximum exposure for their articles.

As time goes on , one wonders if he is the same chap and if there are others. True to form, he came roaring back with "Namqiong" and with classic style yesterday. Looks like his PM network is also intact.

This journey continues.

 

[Unrepented]

How was Cao Cao big naval fleet destroyed in the "Romance of the three kingdoms"?

For all we know, TR may be Zhou Yu's general, Huang Gai. Zhong Yu wack Huang Gai until jia liat jiat liat, so that Cao Cao will believe and accept Huang Gai as Kha Ki Lang. Then Huang Gai burnt Cao Cao fleet.

This tatic is call "Ku Rou Ji".

Assuming the negative allegations on TR is true that is. The TR website has already be around for quite sometime liao, can survive for so long one meh? Especially, there are so many por lumpar parasites grasslooters in this forum.

Initially this revelation only appears in TNP with a very limited readership.

TR said its great media exposure for them. Now its out in the Straits Times, where I believe its the greatest media exposure that SPH can give TR plus its supported from Temasek Holdings.

TR should be happy over it.

Now if TR is willing to take it even further to the courts, let the whole world know, that's if they dare.

If it really goes to the courts, let all the anonymous donors donate money for the lawsuit. All those in support of TR should bring it to the furthest level by funding them.

 

[silverfox@]

Assuming the negative allegations on TR is true that is. The TR website has already be around for quite sometime liao, can survive for so long one meh? Especially, there are so many por lumpar parasites grasslooters in this forum.

The mysterious assassin survived for this long because no one knew his identity then.

Now is "free advertisement" from TNP, Straits Times, CNA. It's like the olden days, "wanted criminal" plastered all over the city walls.

 

[laksaboy]

Oh wow, Temasek Holdings has exclusive copyright to the word 'Temasek' now?

What an utter crock of shit.

How about the road 'Temasek Boulevard'? Should its name be changed too, in order to appease the douchebags led by H0 Ching and gang?

Wasn't Temasek the old(and original) name of Singapore coined by its discoverer Sang Nila Utama?

PAP, you're going down, down, down. :oIo:

 

[Frankiestine]

Has Temasek bought the patent to use the words "Temasek Review" exclusively? If not fuck off.

 

[HellAngel]

If the new editorial team really has nothing to do with Dr Joseph Ong, you think they would give a shit when Dr Joseph Ong receive the requesting email? Why would they bother if they are so far away? They would not even bother replying not to mention changing its name.

Just some common sense, if they sue, they will/can only sue Dr Joseph Ong who is now out in the open. If Dr Joseph Ong is not the main person, TR would not have responded.

TR is NOT EVEN a company, so to speak, how to sue?

Goh Meng Seng

 

[cleareyes]

Has Temasek bought the patent to use the words "Temasek Review" exclusively? If not fuck off.

That is the key here.

TR never have the patent for the term "Temasek Review" and only TH has it. So TR can put it anywhere in the world and TH can still sue the pants of whomever is running TR for patent rights matter.

Since the letter is address to Joe Ong, we can safely assume that TR is indeed run and registered by Joe Ong and the quick respond by the TR "team" is a show of how "they" are in concern with what happen to TR.

IF indeed that TR and Joe Ong nolonger has any form of relations, I do not think that TR would care very much and go into all that trouble just to change their name for a ex-member.

 

[Ramseth]

An entity at law needs not be a registered company.

For example, an illegal loansharking syndicate or triad gang can be prosecuted as an entity as well.

It depends on what was done and for what purpose in the eyes of the law.

 

[silverfox@]

That is the key here.

TR never have the patent for the term "Temasek Review" and only TH has it. So TR can put it anywhere in the world and TH can still sue the pants of whomever is running TR for patent rights matter.

Since the letter is address to Joe Ong, we can safely assume that TR is indeed run and registered by Joe Ong and the quick respond by the TR "team" is a show of how "they" are in concern with what happen to TR.

IF indeed that TR and Joe Ong nolonger has any form of relations, I do not think that TR would care very much and go into all that trouble just to change their name for a ex-member.

Actually from what I think, TH is not interested in the name Temasek Review. The show of defiance from the "editors" of TR is being put to the test.

Even if TH has no chance of winning, they want to see the "real owner" stand up with them in court. TH has money, they can afford to lose this case. But will the real owner of TR afford to show up in court?

 

[Defennder]

That is the key here.

TR never have the patent for the term "Temasek Review" and only TH has it. So TR can put it anywhere in the world and TH can still sue the pants of whomever is running TR for patent rights matter.

Since the letter is address to Joe Ong, we can safely assume that TR is indeed run and registered by Joe Ong and the quick respond by the TR "team" is a show of how "they" are in concern with what happen to TR.

IF indeed that TR and Joe Ong nolonger has any form of relations, I do not think that TR would care very much and go into all that trouble just to change their name for a ex-member.

This is mistaken on several levels. Patents are inventions or discoveries of new methods of processes by various people. Naming a financial report does not constitute a "patent" in any sense of the word since there's nothing new or novel in the report in any intellectual sense.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1087359/1/.html

The term "Temasek Review" is hence a trademark rather than a patent but because TR was registered prior to Nov 9, 2009 when TH formally registered the trademark, TH can only resort to common law action of passing off to defend its trademark. This means that TH has to prove that:

• TR acquired goodwill or reputation as a result of the mark
• TR misrepresented or misled people into thinking it was somehow related to TH's operations
• TH suffered losses or damages (such as potential investment opportunities lost) as a result of the TR assuming the name

As you can see from the above, TH has only a fighting chance with pt 1. The other 2 points are perhaps impossible for it to prove, since there's no indication that anyone would confuse TR as somehow linked to TH nor did it result in any losses.

Even so, if TR acquired any goodwill or reputation, it almost certainly has nothing to do with its name. It will be an uphill case for TH to prove that TR owed some of its success amongst the blogosphere as a result of assuming that name.

So the decision by TR to change its name in principle, subject to certain conditions, is certainly puzzling. Of course people can claim that TR wants to protect the anonymity of its editorial team so it's not prepared to go to court. But should TR choose to, it would almost certainly win. Dr Ong is probably not prepared to reveal to any court, whether it's some international court (since the World Intellectual Property Organisation is located in Geneva) the extent he was/is involved in TR nor who he handed over management to.

Either that, or TR received some very bad legal advice.

 

[Alamaking]

This is mistaken on several levels. Patents are inventions or discoveries of new methods of processes by various people. Naming a financial report does not constitute a "patent" in any sense of the word since there's nothing new or novel in the report in any intellectual sense.

............ Either that, or TR received some very bad legal advice.

TR is manage by useless people lah '

Look in another scenario, would you choose to take on Temasek Holdings's injunction in court just for the word "Temasek"? and a website that not even earning a single cent?

 

[Frankiestine]

That is the key here.

TR never have the patent for the term "Temasek Review" and only TH has it. So TR can put it anywhere in the world and TH can still sue the pants of whomever is running TR for patent rights matter..

U mean TH actually has a patent on the term "TEMASEK REVIEW"?

 

[roxygurly]

hello guys i am back

 

[aurvandil]

Let's keep this thread going as the offical SBF archive of the TR saga.

Dr Ong has responded to the demand letter that he no longer controls TR. TR is therefore effectively calling the TH bluff. Let's see if TH does follow up and start a court case or do they beat a retreat with their tail between their legs.


Company sends letter to doctor linked to Temasek Review site
By Rachel Chang

http://www.straitstimes.com/PrimeNews/Story/STIStory_591332.html

TEMASEK Holdings has written to the alleged founder of socio-political website Temasek Review asking him to change its name.
The investment company said the term Temasek Review is 'indisputably associated' with it and the website's use of the same name was a bid to 'capitalise on the goodwill and reputation' associated with it.
In a letter to Dr Joseph Ong released to the media yesterday, Temasek head of strategic relations Goh Yong Siang noted that the website's original name was 'The Wayang Party', and it was only sometime last year that it was renamed Temasek Review.
Mr Goh pointed out that Temasek Review had been the name of Temasek Holdings' annual report since 2004 and was 'well-known and indisputably associated with Temasek'.
The Straits Times understands that Temasek had wanted to ask the website to change its name since last year, but there was nobody it could write to because everyone associated with it has been anonymous.
Earlier this year, the company renamed its annual report Temasek Report, but denied that it had anything to do with the website.
The website is known for virulently anti-government posts and has hidden behind a shroud of anonymity and pseudonyms for the three-plus years of its existence. Its administrators have consistently declined media interviews.
Last Saturday, The New Paper reported that Dr Joseph Ong, a general practitioner, was the founder of the website.
It drew this conclusion while investigating his role in putting up posters around Yishun last year, asking for MP Lee Bee Wah to step down as president of the Singapore Table Tennis Association.
A grassroots leader had lodged a police report about the posters, which showed Ms Lee's face superimposed on a toilet bowl. Dr Ong was questioned by the police and issued a warning last month for the offence of 'intentional harassment'.
The New Paper said that Dr Ong admitted his involvement with the website to the police, as well as to friends.
A former student of Raffles Institution and Raffles Junior College, Dr Ong completed his medical degree at the National University of Singapore. He is 32, single and works for the Healthway Medical chain.
Contacted by The Straits Times yesterday, Dr Ong said he had responded to Temasek Holdings via e-mail.
He said that while he was involved with the website in the past, he had stopped being involved since last year.
Of the posters of MP Lee Bee Wah, he said he regretted the incident, adding that it was merely a 'publicity stunt' and not a 'smear campaign', as The New Paper had termed it.
'It was a mere 'publicity stunt' to generate news to write about and I am sorry if my action had caused the MP any distress,' he said.
He also said that he handed over the temasekreview.com domain name to another website writer last year, but declined to name the person.
The website's administrators, meanwhile, have rebuffed requests for interviews this past week.
A posting by 'editor' 'Pamela Tian' denied that Dr Ong was part of its editorial team, and said that the website is run on a voluntary basis by a group of overseas Singaporeans. Managing editor 'Molina Han' claims to be based in Panama.
In his letter to Dr Ong, Temasek Holdings' Mr Goh said that Temasek 'has no issue with the desire to foster and facilitate serious debate and discourse and to provide news of socio-political affairs of Singapore'.
It was however 'misleading and irresponsible' for the website to capitalise on a name associated with Temasek Holdings.
He asked the website operators to live up to their claim to stand for the principles of 'transparency, accountability and responsibility'.
The website's administrators did not respond to queries.
[email protected]

 

[HellAngel]

Anyone with half the IQ of a monkey would know that Dr Joseph Ong is TR and will always be. You think it is so easy to give up a website being its founder? Unless he has been paid for the site, there is no motivation for him to give it up.

 

[Defennder]

TR is manage by useless people lah '

Look in another scenario, would you choose to take on Temasek Holdings's injunction in court just for the word "Temasek"? and a website that not even earning a single cent?

It depends on where the court is located. TR is not based in Singapore and TH has no way to win. The only question is whether TR would relent to protect their admins' privacy and anonymity. TH is gambling, this time not with investments but with the hope that TR values their anonymity more than TH values its reputation (since it will likely lose).

 

[Alamaking]

How was Cao Cao big naval fleet destroyed in the "Romance of the three kingdoms"?

For all we know, TR may be Zhou Yu's general, Huang Gai. Zhong Yu wack Huang Gai until jia liat jiat liat, so that Cao Cao will believe and accept Huang Gai as Kha Ki Lang. Then Huang Gai burnt Cao Cao fleet.

This tatic is call "Ku Rou Ji".

Assuming the negative allegations on TR is true that is. The TR website has already be around for quite sometime liao, can survive for so long one meh? Especially, there are so many por lumpar parasites grasslooters in this forum.

Are you a kid? you cant see TR is the extremist of anti government? They twisted the news/facts to make you hate the government. Look at their news, all negative reports, sure or not? If you think 154th is bad, TR is worse.

Any rational men can see what TR is trying to do. Wake up!!!!
Doctors and Lawyers my foot, cant even afford to buy a server and still dare to ask for donations, PUI!!!

 

[Alamaking]

It depends on where the court is located. TR is not based in Singapore and TH has no way to win. The only question is whether TR would relent to protect their admins' privacy and anonymity. TH is gambling, this time not with investments but with the hope that TR values their anonymity more than TH values its reputation (since it will likely lose).

Even if its outside Singapore, do you think TR will spend money on lawyers to defend their case? while TH can splurge $$$ like waterfall to retrial the case over and over again?

 

[cass888]

It depends on where the court is located. TR is not based in Singapore and TH has no way to win. The only question is whether TR would relent to protect their admins' privacy and anonymity. TH is gambling, this time not with investments but with the hope that TR values their anonymity more than TH values its reputation (since it will likely lose).

So simple. Sue Joseph Ong anyway. Joseph Ong can enrich lawyers fighting TH. If he loses in court, he will go to jail for contempt if he doesn't comply. If he wins, he is still going to be few tens of K out of pocket.

Then we'll know whether TR is really controlled by him. I can imagine the first sentence of the article now. "Although TR is not controlled by Joseph Ong, this harassment has forced us out of sympathy to him to change our name."

 

[Char_Azn]

He said that while he was involved with the website in the past, he had stopped being involved since last year.
Of the posters of MP Lee Bee Wah, he said he regretted the incident, adding that it was merely a 'publicity stunt' and not a 'smear campaign', as The New Paper had termed it.
'It was a mere 'publicity stunt' to generate news to write about and I am sorry if my action had caused the MP any distress,' he said.
He also said that he handed over the temasekreview.com domain name to another website writer last year, but declined to name the person.
The website's administrators, meanwhile, have rebuffed requests for interviews this past week.
A posting by 'editor' 'Pamela Tian' denied that Dr Ong was part of its editorial team, and said that the website is run on a voluntary basis by a group of overseas Singaporeans. Managing editor 'Molina Han' claims to be based in Panama.

Ong said he was involved till last year. Pamela Tian who is supposedly one of the editors have never even heard of him. So who is lying?