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SG High Comm to Mudland whacks Seah Chiang Nee's article about ministerial pay

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S’pore refutes article’s remarks on ministerial pay

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Singapore’s High Commissioner to Malaysia Ong Keng Yong (in picture) had sent a letter to the group chief editor of The Star to refute comments made in an article on ministerial pay. (AP photo)

Singapore’s High Commissioner to Malaysia, Ong Keng Yong, has refuted the points on ministerial pay made by a veteran Singaporean journalist in a Malaysian English news daily.

In a letter dated Monday to Datuk Seri Wong Chun Wai, group chief editor of The Star, the commissioner gave a response to the opinion piece “PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts” written by Seah Chiang Nee and published by the paper on 7 January.

Below is a copy of the response by Ong in full:

1 In "PAP mood turns sour over pay cuts" (The Star, 7 Jan 2012), Mr Seah Chiang Nee interpreted the ministerial salary cuts recommended by the independent Review Committee as a repudiation of the policy put in place by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to pay competitive salaries to political leaders.

2 But Mr Seah is mistaken. In fact, the Committee explicitly upheld the principle that ministerial salaries must be competitive with what successful Singaporeans can earn in the private sector, so that people of the right calibre are not deterred from stepping forward to serve the country. While the Committee adjusted the specific formula and absolute level of the salaries in response to a new environment, it also reaffirmed the underlying principle and the reasons for maintaining competitive salaries.

3 Mr Seah is also incorrect in claiming that previous salary revision in 2007 gave ministers in Singapore an average pay rise of 60%. Actual salaries since 2007 have varied with the sharp up and down swings of the economy, and in 2010, the last full year under the previous structure, actual salaries were in fact slightly lower than in 2007. The reduction recommended by the Committee would take salaries about one third below this 2010 level.

4 Mr Seah acknowledges that "the public is moderately supportive of the measure". However, he goes on to quote several comments from online discussion boards, which he himself admits are "anonymous", but describes them as being "apparently written by unhappy insiders". As a very experienced Singapore journalist, Mr Seah surely knows that he must check his facts and sources, and not take anonymous online chatter at face value. His specific quotation from the Senior Minister of State Grace Fu, whom he wrongly identified as a former Senior Minister of State, in fact, contradicts his claim. Ms Fu was supporting the recommendations of the Committee, but merely cautioning against going too far, lest it makes it harder for a person considering political office.
 

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Read Seah Chiang Nee's original piece here:

Commentary: Singapore's leading political party's mood turns sour over pay cuts


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UPDATE (11 Jan 2012 at 5:40pm. See response to article by Singapore High Commissioner to Malaysia Ong Keng Yong)

Kuala Lumpur (The Star/ANN) - In 1976, when I first visited China, its 86-year-old leader Mao Zedong was near death, and I ended a series of articles for Singaporeans by asking: Would Maoism survive Mao? If not what - or who - would take over?

Today's China, of course, makes my questions seem ridiculous. But at that time Mao was so much part of the country that an alternative was unimaginable.

I was part of the media team that accompanied (then Prime Minister) Lee Kuan Yew's first official visit to the communist country.

The two men met for eight minutes; Mao was hardly coherent (he died six months later).

Lee was then a vibrant 52-year-old and at his political and intellectual peak.

Last year, when Lee was pondering being in firm control here for 46 years, the same questions cropped up in my mind.

Would Lee's sacred cows - including the institutions, policies, wise (and not so wise) sayings that he contributed so powerfully for 46 years - survive after he's gone, and for how long?

Part of the answer has come six months after Lee stepped down from office.

His corporatist strategy of paying Singapore's Cabinet ministers sky-high salaries is being firmly rebuffed.

Faced with rising public anger, a government committee last week recommended that the PM's annual pay be cut by 36% to S$2.2mil (US$1.69mil).

Cabinet ministers will get S$1.1mil, a 37% reduction, while the President's yearly salary is reduced by 51% to S$1.54mil.

The PM said his government intends to accept the proposals.

The percentages seem enormous, but then so were the previous increases.

The last one announced five years ago saw these ministers being given an average pay rise of 60%.

The speed with which this sacred cow is being attacked so soon after Lee Kuan Yew's exit has come as a surprise to some party hardliners.

The cut implies that for more than 25 years, the ruling People's Action Party had been excessively overpaying its leaders - allegedly to attract talent or prevent corruption.

At the time, his colleagues' support was mixed, some strenuously, others offering to contribute to charity (Lee forbade it).

His Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean said of the 2007 increase: "If we don't do that, in the long term, the government system will slowly crumble and collapse."

When the public reacted coolly, Lee painted a frightening alternative if Singapore ministers could not be paid more than leaders anywhere else.

"Your apartment will be worth a fraction of what it is," he warned, "your jobs will be in peril, your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people's countries."

Today, his son - current Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong - is finding that tearing down such a high massive pay structure is not so easy, because many party stalwarts have tied success to high pay.

Commentators said the PM's immediate future would be tested on two fronts: One - a remaining large cynical public which feels their leaders are still overpaid compared with even the richest countries and, second - strong vibes reportedly coming from within his party.

To what extent will the exercise result in resignations by party aspirants drifting away for better paid private financial rewards is anybody's guess.

At present, a little of the party mood is turning sour. The mainstream media is staying away from reports of internal PAP rifts.

However, several comments have emerged on discussion boards, apparently written by unhappy insiders.

One anonymous writer shouted: "PM MUST REJECT THE SALARY REVIEW.

"(Otherwise) all aspiring office holders in the PAP will be affected, so MPs, party cadres must know what their future salaries are, first, to ensure they have dignity."

PAP Member of Parliament and former senior minister of state Grace Fu wrote about her feelings online. Her decision to join politics in 2006, she said, was not based on pay.

"The disruption to my career was also an important consideration," she added.

"I had some grounds to believe that my family would not suffer a drastic change in the standard of living even though I experienced a drop in my income.

"So it is with this recent pay cut. If the balance is tilted further in the future, it will make it harder for anyone considering political office."

Another apparent insider declared: "PAP cadres and MPs must speak up against the cuts.

"The salary review is too populist. PM should stand firm and reject it."

The public is moderately supportive of the measure, although many still harbour resentment.

"After the pay cut, our Prime Minister (at US$1.7mil) still earns four times more than US President Barack Obama (US$400,000) - and more than the combined salaries of (the leaders of) Britain, France and Germany," said a cynic.

It is almost certain that high Cabinet pay will remain on the agenda in the next election in 2016, albeit less virulent.

A series of train breakdowns, floods, and shortages in housing, healthcare and telecommunications services have increased Singaporean unhappiness.

But PM Lee has also gained some political mileage among moderate citizens. "It shows that the PM is serious about putting it right without too much damage," said one commentator.

A PAP supporter said: "With such pathetic pay, I don't care if the opposition Workers Party (WP) wins in 2016 and takes over."

This led to a cynical observation, that is, making it costly for people thinking of joining opposition politics to gain wealth and power.
 

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Politicians are not serving the country when they get paid $1 million a years. The ministers are serving themselves just like any employee.
 

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3 Mr Seah is also incorrect in claiming that previous salary revision in 2007 gave ministers in Singapore an average pay rise of 60%. Actual salaries since 2007 have varied with the sharp up and down swings of the economy, and in 2010, the last full year under the previous structure, actual salaries were in fact slightly lower than in 2007. The reduction recommended by the Committee would take salaries about one third below this 2010 level.

I don't know what's the commotion is about?

Just tell us what is the entry salaries of ministers after the 2006 election compare to now ( the recommended reduction).

If it is more or less the same, what's there to debate about the pay rise over the last 5 years?
 

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hi there


1. aiyoh!
2. the fat arse should have presented more transparent materials reflecting what was paid in previous years as compared to the current package.
3. then sheep can have a clearer picture of the free-money structure & distribution.
4. to serve, my foot!
 

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A Loyal Obedient PAP Dog Defending His Masters... His Masters Back In Sinkapore Will Be Pleased By His Good Performance..:rolleyes:
 

streetsmart73

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A Loyal Obedient PAP Dog Defending His Masters... His Masters Back In Sinkapore Will Be Pleased By His Good Performance..:rolleyes:


hi there


1. bro, running dog is handsomely paid to defend its master mah!
2. it is also doing, erh! defending for itself.
 
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