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Reform Party Forum on Minimum wage

jeremyyau555

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This forum by the Reform Party was held at the RELC Hotel on the 5 December 2009, Saturday, at the Napier Room on Level 5.

Leading the seminar was the Secretary-General of the Reform Party, Kenneth Jeyaretnam. Other speakers included the Reform Party CEC (Central Executive Committee) member, Mr. Tony Tan, financial consultant, Mr. Leong Sze Hian and the moderator of the forum, Miss Jeanette.

Mr. Kenneth Jeyaretnam started with the discussion of starting a minimum wage policy. He said that real earnings for less-skilled workers are falling because of competition from foreign workers. Several pressing questions were asked during the discussion from the floor including “what is the rational for workers who are exempted?” and “why are older workers being exempted rather than having a lower minimum wage?”

The seminar was followed closely by the next speaker, Mr. Leong Sze Hian, who touched upon the issues of productivity, housing policies, CPF and healthcare. He mentioned that the poor productivity record has been falling since 2007.

He also continued with a humorous speech saying why every year, the government says that people are not buying the smaller HDB flats. Because more than 230,000 households could not even afford to buy flats! From the household expenditure records which were recently released, 40 percent of households in Singapore have no increase in income.

Out of these households, statistics state that their expenditure had increased simply put, if you earn $700 per month, how can you have spent $1000? So the figures are quite ridiculous.

The Reform Party will examine why the HDB programme has slowed right down since 2000 and the effect this had and also, how the failure to build cheaper units is going to affect in pushing up property prices at the lower end, including how much does it cost to build a HDB flat since the last published breakdown of costs back in 1984. They will also push for privatisation of CPF after part has been used to fund a genuine public health insurance scheme and to fund a basic pension for all Singaporeans who have contributed to CPF for a specific number of years.

Mr. Tony Tan embarked on his part of the seminar on education and training. He proposes to provide students with a buffet of choices on what to study, quoting Steve Jobs on learning Calligraphy so that he is equipped with skills to design fonts other than his engineering modules.

Kenneth Jeyaretnam added that foreign students should not be rejected in Singapore’s education but provided that they pay the full cost of their education without any subsidy, just like us if we choose to head overseas for further education. We should also have compulsory and free primary and secondary education, and only then, we can head and work towards a top ranked country in the world. By expanding tertiary opportunities, we should head in that direction and strive at making our Polytechnics into Universities in itself. Do we have the resources and can we afford to? The Reform Party says “it is not a question of whether we are able to afford but whether why we are not able to afford?”

About immigration and foreign workers, they attempt to level the playing ground by providing them with a CPF scheme. Singapore should not give ad hoc assistance to foreign workers because they are definitely on higher ground than locals as they will save on National Service leave, Maternity leave, they have no CPF, no reservist and employers do not have to pay extra tax!

Other issues being discussed were liberal tax and investment regime, increasing domestic consumption and privatization of SWFs. There was also talk of finding a middle ground for people who finds that the minimum wage is still too low.
 

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Minimum wage should come after the government sort out the FT issues. Else the minimum wage will only benefit the FT instead of the locals. The problem now is that a lot of local Singaporean are unable to find jobs.

The direction on where Singapore is heading is also very important. They talked about planning ahead. Isn't it important that the leader needs VISION. We don't pay kachang putei to our leaders. What they have done is to create policies that benefited the government, but not the people. If it continue like the past 10 years, the next generation of Singaporean will have no chance/choice but to either leave the country or make the choice of changing of leader.

The papies have brought Singapore ahead into the first world, but was unable to move the people ahead. They have left the people behind with the 3rd world wages. Swiss standard of living....nah:oIo:
 

scroobal

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Its really bizzare how Singapore has evolved into a modern version of feudalism where power and money has concentrated with an artistocracy that is pretty much a family enterprise.


The papies have brought Singapore ahead into the first world, but was unable to move the people ahead. They have left the people behind with the 3rd world wages. Swiss standard of living....nah:oIo:
 

halsey02

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>We don't pay kachang putei to our leaders. What they have done is to create policies that benefited the government, but not the people. If it continue like the past 10 years, the next generation of Singaporean will have no chance/choice but to either leave the country or make the choice of changing of leader.
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You forgot the rate of exchange as determined by the Fujian Wooden Go wife's? 1 kacang putih = S$600,000

Who says we are not paying them KACANG PUTIHS???:p
 

methink

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Its really bizzare how Singapore has evolved into a modern version of feudalism where power and money has concentrated with an artistocracy that is pretty much a family enterprise.

Animal Farm is the making? We are being controlled by higher class brahmins who treat all others as lowly class animals!

Time to kick them out!
 

halsey02

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Animal Farm is the making? We are being controlled by higher class brahmins who treat all others as lowly class animals!

Time to kick them out!

Problem is, most of the animals (66.6%) are happy that, they constantly rewrite the rules...

All animals are equal,> all animals are equal, some are more equal > Those who are more equal are greater than all the animals that are equal...

and they just love it!..come election...they will still vote for the, 'more equal animals'...:eek:
 

methink

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Scroobal,

Do you think these parasites will go even if they were to lose the elections? Remember the old man's words?

The army will definitely be called out to quell any dissatisfaction and uprisings. Same as in Iran.
 

methink

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Problem is, most of the animals (66.6%) are happy that, they constantly rewrite the rules...

All animals are equal,> all animals are equal, some are more equal > Those who are more equal are greater than all the animals that are equal...

We will be crushed like animals!

What was done to those in the 60's - Dr Lim Hock Siew, Chia Thye Poh, Said Zahari, etc - LKY will no doubt do to sinkies who protest and demand reforms... the hair-dryer treatment! Crush them like ants!
 

scroobal

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Bro, the PAP will never give up easily. The old man will use everything including extrajudicial means to hold on to power. Just look at the post of President. The first elections where both candidates were chosen by him and the last elections where everyone else got disqualified. Its now a joke.

Look at how he went after Chee over courier charges and taxi fares while the Head of Security Branch which looks after his family and him was not charged despite embezzeling thousands of dollars and fleeing to china. The guy was brought back and nothing happenned.


Scroobal,

Do you think these parasites will go even if they were to lose the elections? Remember the old man's words?

The army will definitely be called out to quell any dissatisfaction and uprisings. Same as in Iran.
 

NoNewsGood

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There are similar debates in Hong Kong on minimum wage.

One argument is that minimun wage would disadvantage the old and the less educated.

Imagine you are the boss, if your company needs to pay minimum wage for a not so high position. Now there is a vacancy and there are many applicants. All things being equal, would you choose the younger and better educated worker as opposed to the older and less educated one?
 

scroobal

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Typically, countries that have legislated min wage have provisions to incentivise those who have crossed the 50/55 age barrier and thereabout. Minimum wage legislation is not a blanket rule. This principle is already present in CPF contributions.

Minmum wage is to encourage productivity and the higer wages earned by employees can be used by the very employees to further their education or undertake vocation related upgrading courses.

Wages in the lower sectors have gone down and have broken previous support levels.

The trick is have mechanisms to ensure that min wage does not place any segment of the labour force at a disadvantage. Currently no meachanisms no legislation etc. Ironically, there is a detailed mechanism to ensure the upper rung of civil service and political appointees are paid as well as the best stock brokers, banker and lawyers without taking any business risk.






There are similar debates in Hong Kong on minimum wage.

One argument is that minimun wage would disadvantage the old and the less educated.

Imagine you are the boss, if your company needs to pay minimum wage for a not so high position. Now there is a vacancy and there are many applicants. All things being equal, would you choose the younger and better educated worker as opposed to the older and less educated one?
 

jeremyyau555

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Pictures taken at the forum

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popdod

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looks pathetic wif the audience turning up.
guess 1/2 of them r members frds/relatives/family.

:o :( :o
 

shelltox

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Minimum wage should come after the government sort out the FT issues. Else the minimum wage will only benefit the FT instead of the locals. The problem now is that a lot of local Singaporean are unable to find jobs.

The direction on where Singapore is heading is also very important. They talked about planning ahead. Isn't it important that the leader needs VISION. We don't pay kachang putei to our leaders. What they have done is to create policies that benefited the government, but not the people. If it continue like the past 10 years, the next generation of Singaporean will have no chance/choice but to either leave the country or make the choice of changing of leader.

The papies have brought Singapore ahead into the first world, but was unable to move the people ahead. They have left the people behind with the 3rd world wages. Swiss standard of living....nah:oIo:

What's the point of having minimum wages whereby most of the jobs are shun by local pampered singaporean. Instead of waiting at a table, they rather place computer games at home
 

scroobal

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The issue is to use human resources effectively and progressively improve quality of life. It forces employers to upgrade and not treat their employees as slaves not matter where they come from.

Its also forces employers who are unable to run a genuine business out of the game. What we don't need is thousands of small time businessmen reliant on cheap labour to eke out a living. What we need is quality enterprise that delivers quality and builds the business.

The govt can do it part by legisalting minimum wage while cutting down on other expenses such as rentals, fees and other indirect costs.

Silly arguments like Singaporeans like to pay PC games shows lack of depth and displays poor reasoning ability. Even if Singapore has minimum wage laws, no employer will employ a Singaporean if the latter's interest is just PC Games. Values, work ethics etc come into play when recruiting and retaining employees.



What's the point of having minimum wages whereby most of the jobs are shun by local pampered singaporean. Instead of waiting at a table, they rather place computer games at home
 
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