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Red cliff 2, crap or good show?

Naturefarm2

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Some interesting Dialoge from Red Cliff 2...very funny and interesting movie..

坦白說,吳大導演的赤壁(下)與「三國志」的史實相差甚遠,而其敘事風格與章回小說「三國演義」更大異其趣,原本想看孔明借東風裝神弄鬼的特效場面,沒想到孔明把氣象變天的謎底大喇喇地講出來,少了懸疑性,也減了諸葛大師神機妙算的丰采! 曹操橫槊賦詩寫短歌行原本應是豪氣干雲的鐵血男兒場面,那首詩是曹操在行軍時邊走邊寫出來,目的就是在招降東吳聯軍,在高中國文課時老師就有教過,但吳導演卻變成在筵席上朗誦詩歌,可能是為了戲劇效果以迎合觀眾口味,未能利用畫面把這位才高自負的一代梟雄角色完全表達出來,殊為可惜。



這部片子的劇情很簡單,直線式地把東吳聯軍保家衛國的情操呈現在大眾面前,舉例來說周瑜一口把大家分給他的十多顆湯圓吃下去,象徵他願意承擔大家的付託,頗有振奮人心的效果。另一方面,本片後半段類似「搶救雷恩大兵」般地描寫戰爭的慘烈,到處可見中箭或是被燒死的士兵,似乎導演是想藉古喻今,表達其反戰的意識型態,也才能解釋劉備和孫權在勝利後能夠放了曹操一馬的「君子之戰」命題,這個不合邏輯的結尾似乎也因此有了「希望人間和平」的道德高度。



這部片子若能傳世,個人最推薦的橋段就是周瑜飛身救孕婦小喬的畫面,你看小喬被曹操大將追殺時用盡力氣反擊和逃跑,最後被推下樓時也護著肚子,下意識地要保護肚裡胎兒「平安」,還好周郎即時接住她,甘願自己被當墊背壓在地上,套一句現下流行的俏皮話:「俠骨柔情」,我認為是很好的詮釋。志玲姐姐的演技在本片真的有所發揮,雖然歲月的痕跡在她臉上已無情地呈現出來,但她扮演愛國孕婦的大義凜然,智騙曹賊,相信已在觀眾心中留下不可磨滅的印象!





诸葛亮:“明天我就去江东游说孙权,与我们联合对抗曹操”
刘备深情地递给诸葛亮一大碗白米饭,说道:

“去东吴路途遥远,需要体力,来,多吃点…”(观众第一次笑翻)

周瑜诸葛亮初次会面:
周瑜:“这么冷的天还扇扇子?”
诸葛亮:“我需要时刻保持冷静…”(全场爆笑)…


周瑜等人问起刘备为何重操旧业织起“草鞋”时,
刘备:“这么多年了,习惯了”(惊人的相似,再次爆笑)

张飞接上一句:“我们行军路上穿的草鞋,都是大哥给我们编的……”


瑜亮的二人世界



瑜:“既然诸兄懂乐律,何不与我共奏一曲。”
  亮:“我只是,,,,略懂。”
  瑜:“(暧昧状)你懂。。。。。。你只是深藏不漏。”
  然后暧昧眼神交汇。


诸葛亮正在给鸽子扇扇子,

周瑜走近问他在干什么……
亮:“我刚给鸽子洗了个澡……给他扇干……”(很温柔很贴心)
瑜:“你就不怕他们着凉?”(更温柔更贴心)

两人深情对视3秒~~~

瑜对亮:“我不是在看你,我是在欣赏你!” |||

亮:“我需要冷静一下,你呢?”
瑜:“我也需要冷静一下。”


小乔to诸葛:“周郎已经很久没有抚琴了。”

诸葛:“我也已经很久没有这么不冷静了。”|||

小乔:“你们一定合的来。”


亮:“常会有一种感觉……明天我们可能就会是敌人!”

瑜:“如果真有那么一天,瑜是瑜,亮是亮,你我各为其主。”

亮:“我真的无法想象,与你刀枪相对的那一刻……

希望不要发生!” ><

这时一小兵跑来,大叫“不好了,不好了,难产了~~~”周瑜掩面狂奔而去。
观众皆以为小乔难产,暗喜有好戏看了。

结果跑到近前是小乔抱着周瑜的战马(美名其曰“落月”)。

小乔焦虑的脸:“落月,你要‘撑住’啊~~~ ”

众人惊愕。
小乔(林志玲式娃娃音):“小声点,别吓着她,吓到它,她就生不出来了~~~”


小马露出了一条腿,卡住了,小乔拼命地拉。
诸葛亮:“硬拉是拉不出来的……我来!”
周瑜诧异道:“哇靠,这你也懂?”
诸葛亮眼神飘忽、猥琐一笑:“略懂(汗 -_-b) ,我以前替母牛接过生…”

此时鲁肃等人表情相当诡异,
(……此处省略诸葛亮给马接生,过程是相当的细致)

小马降生

小乔问周瑜:“小家伙还没起名字呢!”
周瑜:“它出生在荆楚,就该有个荆楚的名字,呃,我们叫它“萌萌”好么?”

(全场再次笑喷)


曹操正对小乔画像发呆,

大臣上前道:“丞相,欲望过多,思梦过剩,也会引起头风症。”
操:“你难道没听说过,欲望使人年轻?”(全场崩溃)

曹操站在船头,盛赞水攻用的船舰,to众将士:

“这些水船真是给我们兵马‘如虎添蹼’……”(成语不带这么乱用滴|||)

曹操讽刺刘备和孙权联盟:

“一个失败的人和一个失意的人在一起,还能干出什么?”


孙尚香:“天下兴亡,匹女有责!”

孙权(张震)欲将其妹孙尚香(赵薇)联婚与刘备,

刘备:“现在战事紧张,我还没有想过续弦之事。不过……”
(双眼色眯眯平移至赵薇,赵薇冷若冰霜,不给任何脸色)

(全场大笑)


周瑜在兵营里鼓动士气:

“我有一个梦想……||| 这是我唯一的梦想,也是大家共同的梦想……”


周瑜正在练兵,

诸葛亮远远看见,扇子比划了两下,一本正经道:
“雁形阵,嗯…不错……

(然后转过身小声对某臣说)可惜已经过时了” (冷~~)


周瑜:你也懂阵法啊?

诸葛谦虚道:略懂~

周瑜:你说我的阵法已经过时了?

诸葛:啊呵,不愧是都督,那么远都听得到~

关羽对蜀地的小朋友说:

“现在会读书,以后就有饭吃。”

孙尚香和孙权怄气,她问诸葛亮:“我是不是做得太过分了?”

诸葛亮笑答 :“我觉得你很有个性。”

孙尚香有些委屈:“我在吴府那么多年,一点意思也没有。”
  诸葛亮安慰她:“我觉得有些事你做得比别人好,只是被埋没了。”

孙尚香羞涩地一笑: “还是你比较懂我……”|||


小乔问周瑜:“我包扎伤口的技术如何?”
周瑜:“你快把我包成粽子了~~”

周瑜对小乔:“他(诸葛亮)的琴声告诉我,他需要朋友……”
小乔对周瑜:“你(周瑜)的琴声告诉我,你必须打这场仗……
 
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Naturefarm2

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Its totally distorted from the history..Never know that Xiao Qiao had so much influence in the war...in real history, she is just worth a few lines.
 

DerekLeung

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[COLOR="_______"]Worst time to watch a Hong Kong/Chinese movie during economic downturn !

You be sure they will come out with a shitty ending. [/COLOR]
 

Maximilian Chua-Heng

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Its totally distorted from the history..Never know that Xiao Qiao had so much influence in the war...in real history, she is just worth a few lines.


Distorted from which historical account? Romance of the 3 Kingdoms or the 3 Kingdoms' Chronicles?

Corny dialogues aside, I enjoy the movies, though I prefer the second part much more.
 

Naturefarm2

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From Both,
1. Zhu Geliang never be friend with Zhuo Yu , they are enemy in both books. Zhu geliang even try to run away after he get the wind for the red cliff better.
2. Liu Bei never " Act " to break away from the allies, they are together from the start.
3. The battle is never delay cos of a cup of Tea..this is a joke.

There is more, any one can add on?
 

Maximilian Chua-Heng

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才能解釋劉備和孫權在勝利後能夠放了曹操一馬的「君子之戰」命題,這個不合邏輯的結尾似乎也因此有了「希望 人間和平」的道德高度。

I think the ending is perfectly logical. If Cao Cao was executed, Northen China would be in great chaos again.

Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu's strategic objective of the Battle of Red Cliff is the emergence of the 3 kingdoms. If Cao Cao was killed, there would be no 3 kingdoms.
 

Maximilian Chua-Heng

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From Both,
1. Zhu Geliang never be friend with Zhuo Yu , they are enemy in both books. Zhu geliang even try to run away after he get the wind for the red cliff better.
2. Liu Bei never " Act " to break away from the allies, they are together from the start.
3. The battle is never delay cos of a cup of Tea..this is a joke.

There is more, any one can add on?


Oh Gosh, another RTK idiot?! :rolleyes:

RTK is 80% fantasy, 20% fact. As for the Chronicles? It only fares slightly better.

History is always open to interpretations. John Woo did a decent job in telling us what he thinks of the Red Cliff Battle.

The movie is called Red Cliff, it got nothing to do with RTK hor!
 

silverfox@

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I think the ending is perfectly logical. If Cao Cao was executed, Northen China would be in great chaos again.

Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu's strategic objective of the Battle of Red Cliff is the emergence of the 3 kingdoms. If Cao Cao was killed, there would be no 3 kingdoms.

People say Qin Shi Huang is a tyrant and want him dead. If he was killed, he would never have unite the whole of China.

So sometimes we want a leader to step down or be dead, it doesn't mean things will turn out better
 

Naturefarm2

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I think the ending is perfectly logical. If Cao Cao was executed, Northen China would be in great chaos again.

Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu's strategic objective of the Battle of Red Cliff is the emergence of the 3 kingdoms. If Cao Cao was killed, there would be no 3 kingdoms.

Well, in original Book, Zhu geliang purposely put Guan Yu at "Hua rong" path to wait for Cao cao. It will not like that movie that cao cao fight till with 3 men. He actually run away with a fleet of general and guards.
Guan Yu left him off as before as Cao cao left him off in the first place.
Later cao cao run back to the north and was never as strong as before.
Zhu geliang complete his " 3 kingdom" plan.
 

Naturefarm2

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The original Book is call " San Guo zhi " and the playwright version is called " San guo yan yi". San Guo zhi is based on true history fact while san guo yan yi is added on with Play wright drama effect. These are not 80% fantasy my friend....
 

Maximilian Chua-Heng

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Well, in original Book, Zhu geliang purposely put Guan Yu at "Hua rong" path to wait for Cao cao. It will not like that movie that cao cao fight till with 3 men. He actually run away with a fleet of general and guards.
Guan Yu left him off as before as Cao cao left him off in the first place.
Later cao cao run back to the north and was never as strong as before.
Zhu geliang complete his " 3 kingdom" plan.
The original Book is call " San Guo zhi " and the playwright version is called " San guo yan yi". San Guo zhi is based on true history fact while san guo yan yi is added on with Play wright drama effect. These are not 80% fantasy my friend....

哇靠! 我晕! :eek:

Ok ok you win! :rolleyes:
 

Angelo

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actually in RTK3, zhuge liang purposely put kwan yu in hwa rong for these reasons:

1. He want Kwan Yu to return CAO CAO the favor as he knew CAO CAO treated him extremely well last time, once the favor is returned, he'll be able to use him to his full potential

2. He want CAO CAO alive, if he were dead, the northern lands will plunge into chaos which Sun Quan is able to take full advantage of, at that time Sun Quan is in control of Jiang Dong 81 districts and got a bevy of talents under him, no lack of men and resources. While Liu Pei only got 3 districts and few men, as compared to Sun Quan, he cant leverage on the situation if CAO CAO were dead.

In other words. Zhuge liang is using CAO CAO to check Sun Quan also.
 

Angelo

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Real life application:

u hate ur direct boss which is a complete asshole.

theres another pinoy scum in ur dept u hate also.

and then by chance u transfer to another Dept and get to talk with the head honcho.

U speak favorably of ur boss, wherever whenever u go. becos:

1. Let ur boss evils manifest itself, with no one to check him he'll become more and more arrogant and one day he'll exceed the limit and slip. hehehehe

2. Let the pinoy have a taste of ur unchecked boss

3. People will view you favorably as you able to tolerate assholes, and at the same time u get to watch the show from a distance
 

Naturefarm2

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Well read angelo, my pal.
ZGL is trying to balance the 3 power. Each of them have to have ability to check on each other.
 

littlefish

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People say Qin Shi Huang is a tyrant and want him dead. If he was killed, he would never have unite the whole of China.

So sometimes we want a leader to step down or be dead, it doesn't mean things will turn out better

True, but would you like to live as a peasant or scholar during his reign?

Say we have an enlightened despot running the country. All is fine when things go well. But can you remove him when things start going wrong? This is the attractiveness of democracy, the power lies with the people to decide. This power has to be guarded jealously and not be traded away for anything because once given away, it would be most difficult to restore it.

Unfortunately, most Singaporeans tend to value short-term benefits over long-term uncertain payoffs. Nothing wrong with this but then they should not complain if their rights get trampled upon when the going gets rough. I wish Singaporeans would realise that the real masters of their destiny are themselves, not some tyrant, however much good he has brought.
 

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True, but would you like to live as a peasant or scholar during his reign?

Say we have an enlightened despot running the country. All is fine when things go well. But can you remove him when things start going wrong? This is the attractiveness of democracy, the power lies with the people to decide. This power has to be guarded jealously and not be traded away for anything because once given away, it would be most difficult to restore it.

Unfortunately, most Singaporeans tend to value short-term benefits over long-term uncertain payoffs. Nothing wrong with this but then they should not complain if their rights get trampled upon when the going gets rough. I wish Singaporeans would realise that the real masters of their destiny are themselves, not some tyrant, however much good he has brought.
If the citizens / voters choose to vote in that manner, it's their perogative.
 

jolininc

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simple to say, to each his own. different people, different opinion ba.

and good show or bad show lies in the eyes of the beholder. let's just enjoy the show be it that it's fiction or non-fiction. :rolleyes:
 
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